Will England return Kohinoor diamond to India? NO ,Never

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   pramodgokhaleposted 11 years ago

   Will England return Kohinoor diamond to India? NO ,Never
   
   During recent visit of British prime minister ,Indians requested  him to return Kohinoor to India.he said ,he can not. Why? So called Great Britain was looter and plunderer , prosperity came out  by sucking colonies and torture, killings.David Cameron represents nation which is looter,so how can he return Kohinoor?  Many Indians are naive and docile. In International Jungle of politics, such emotions have no place.USA was colony but liberated.I expect comments from open minded Americans.Long back I had filthy comments by Englishman on other issue.I discarded
   Churchill was villain.

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   vinayt89posted 11 years ago

   They will never return that, because if they start returning each and every thing brought from other countries then they might become the poorest country of world.
   Because all the wealth they have, came from other countries like America and India.
   They made India hell, as i know one of sentence about India wrote by one of the writer from england came before East-India company. He said that I visited almost each and every state and city in India and i have never found a single beggar here, that was the condition of India at that time. So you can understand what they did after that.

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      pramodgokhaleposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      sir,
      I appreciate you , 17 th century England was a poor country,divide and rule was their diplomacy , to some extent they succeed,they do not understand sign of time till today.
      thank you

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      John Holdenposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      pramodgokhale , 17th century England was hardly poor!

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      tonymead60posted 11 years agoin reply to this

      You need to look at much more of your history, What about the final acts after the Taj Mahal was built, The Moguls were invaders not natives to India, Islam was not native to India. what about the attrocities they acted on the native Indians

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   sarahmooseposted 11 years ago

   I am English, and I wouldn't have an issue with the diamond being returned to India. I think you will find that there are many like me, with the same opinion. I take serious offence that you assume we are all the same, and stereotype everyone English. I don't have an issue with your opinion on this matter, but I do have a serious problem with your attitude to fellow humans. And one more thing, I know there are American people who are open minded, but a lot of American companies use countries like India and states in Africa to set up their manufacturing bases, using the people for cheap labour. So although they have not gained their wealth through conquering and war here, they have used people in a way that is still unacceptable.

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      Seeker7posted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Hi Sarah, I'm from Scotland and I agree whole heartedly with your feelings on this issue! I too would be glad to see the diamond and other treasures or artifacts that were stolen returned to the country of their origin - most folks in the UK agree!

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      Mazzy Boleroposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      I suspect Cameron couldn't do that even if he wanted to. It's set in the Queen's crown, so there would probably be some convoluted process that would have to be put into motion.  I'd rather see the Elgin Marbles returned to Greece.

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   John Holdenposted 11 years ago

   You have to understand that as the whole lives of Cameron and his ilk are predicated on theft they do not recognise their actions as theft. They revert to the childish mentality of "what's mine is mine alone and what is yours is mine too".
   Therefore, "we stole it fair and square, it must belong to us.
   
   In your admiration for the USA do you not remember Bhopal?
   
   Churchill was more than a villain but surely you've heard the adage "set a thief to catch a thief"?

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      Greensleeves Hubsposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      To return your own comment that you delivered to Tonymead below - Shame on you. There are arguments for or against returning objects such as this to the country of origin, but saying that Cameron's life is predicated on theft is silly and offensive.

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      John Holdenposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      You may think it silly and offensive, I don't.

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      sarahmooseposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Have to agree with John here - especially with the bedroom tax and the suicide it has already triggered, with it threatening to plunge more and more families and older people into poverty. What Cameron is doing can be seen as theft from the tax payer

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      pramodgokhaleposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Yes Sir, Bhopal tragedy is worst in world history, then our prime minster helped Paul Anderson CEO To flee. USA never allowed India to prosecute him.

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   A_Kposted 11 years ago

   No they will never. However, there is something strange about wealth and to whom it belongs. There was a time when the Sun never set in the British empire. Today they are not even a poor shadow of their old self. So, they eventually lost everything that was not theirs. The Roman Empire - and there has been no parallel in wealth, and strength - was grounded to dust. India lost its ancient glory too. It was plundered and raped. Today, the nation is ascendant. As a part of BRIC economy, India is poised to dethrone some of the most industrialized nations within years, not decades off the chart of top richest nations in terms of GDP. So, looking at the bigger picture "kohinoor" or Gandhi's memorabilia don't matter much. They may or may not eventually come back to India. But the more important thing is that the nations to like individuals have their karma and destiny.

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      pramodgokhaleposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Sir,
      Karma and Destiny  is more important.
      pramod gokhale

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   mintinfoposted 11 years ago

   I think as humanity becomes saner those who in the past thrived on the rituals of committing insane acts against naive cultures will be forced by their consciousnesses to do the right thing and return those things that do not belong to them but are what they consider "spoils of victory". They are not spoils of victory because you were only in a war with yourself to rape and pillage the resources of the planet. I know that half of Africa's cultural artifacts worth billions are locked away in vaults under London. We are not worried, it is only you that is afraid of your own political correctness. India, Africa, China, and everywhere else that you looted from will be fully remunerated.

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      pramodgokhaleposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      George Orwell disgusted on British empire such dirty institution on the earth and finally vanished. being a British he was open minded to all his views on plundering in empire.

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   sufyan ranaposted 11 years ago

   How is It possible???
   it is not possible
   England Will Never return Kohinoor diamond to India

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      pramodgokhaleposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Yes they will not return.The law of jungle is in force , let us wait we retaliate
      weak governments can not do.

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      Mazzy Boleroposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      There has been massive mortgage fraud by Asian gangs in Britain - that's many millions they've stolen from Britain, and virtually none have even been prosecuted.  Lot of tax dodging, too. You guys are not saints.  People who live in glass houses ....

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   junksellerposted 11 years ago

   Hasn't the Koh-i-Noor always belonged to whoever essentially had the might to take it?
   
   My history is very poor on the subject but let me see if I can get this right. The first clear mention of it is being owned by the Khilji dynasty (Muslims of turkish descent), who conquered through force a good chunk of India. This dynasty morphed into the Tughlaq dynasty (also Muslims of Turkish descent) and then the Pashtun Lodi Dynasty.
   
   Next came the Mughal Empire, starting with the conquest of the Lodi Dynasty by Babur, a Muslim descended from Genghis Khan who was strongly influenced by the Turkic and Persian cultures. Rulers of the Mughal Empire had the diamond until Nader Shah, a Persian came in and kicked their butts and took it. Nader Shah was assassinated and the diamond was taken by one of his generals, Ahmad Shah Durrani, who founded the Durrani Empire (modern day Afghanistan). One of his descendants, Shah Shujah Durrani, briefly ruled the Empire before being deposed and fleeing to India where he was captured. He gained his freedom by handing the Koh-i-Noor over to Ranjit Singh, founder of the Sikh Empire in the Punjab region.
   
   The Sikh Empire was then defeated by the British, who took the diamond for themselves rather than honor the alleged will of Ranjit Singh to give the diamond to the Hindu Jagannath Temple in Orissa.
   
   It is a fair complaint to say Britain isn't the rightful owner as they acquired it by conquest, looting, and plunder. And yet, isn't that the exact same way in which EVERYONE has owned it? If you spilled blood to get it, who than has a legitimate claim? The actual people of India, if that can even be defined, perhaps have a good claim. I don't know how legitimate Ranjit Singh's deathbed will is, but perhaps the Jagannath Temple has a decent claim as well.
   
   To me the best claim is the Earth's. The only clear entity for who you can't really argue is the original owner. Considering how much strife has followed it around, I don't know why anyone would want it. Bury it in the Earth and stop spilling blood for a useless hunk of carbon.

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   pramodgokhaleposted 11 years ago

   Hi, Thank you for comments on Kohinoor.Since we are in third millennium but mindsets have not changed.The answers from English audience were expected as filthy, arrogant , silver lining few of them were to the point.
   If it is piece of Carbon then why people in the west wear carbon pieces?. unfortunately weak governments of India are docile. If gangs of Indians are active in UK then what their government is doing to curb ?
   To pay homage to martyrs in Jalianwala Bag is a farce. There were many massacres
   during British regime but media was blocked to publish it.
   i came  know the colonial mindset of Europeans , time has changed .
   I close it.

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    Mkaur17posted 9 years ago

    No I don't think they will return the koh-i-noor- but they should!
    The koh-i-noor belongs to SIKHS ONLY in PUNJAB, AMRITSAR there is no doubt about it. It belonged to Maharaja Ranjit Singh and this is the only way forward if it is to be returned it should be returned to Sikhs.  But if Sikhs are given the koh-i-noor now it won't be safe as the Indian Government won't allow Sikhs to have it as the Indian Government are experts in killing Sikh minorities and have been doing so for many years.  Sikhs have had to fight so much injustice and something that is rightfully ours should be given back to us- another injustice after not having our own country.
    
    Other religions and countries are greedy and wrongly wanting the koh-i-noor and the British clearly know they stole it from Sikhs so should return it back to Sikhs. Simple.
    
    British should keep the koh-i-noor safe for now and give it back to Sikhs once we Sikhs hopefully have our own country in the future.

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