After what happened in Paris, should we just nuke ISIS and get it over with?

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   peter565posted 8 years ago

   After what happened in Paris, should we just nuke ISIS and get it over with?
   
   This is my proposal, if Iraq's government approve, spend 1 year get as many refugees out of ISIS control territory as possible, then just nuke the place.  ISIS soldiers who want to surrender would allow to do so (in face of certain death, soldiers are likely to fight harder [Arts of war] so give them an option of surrender [First used by Mongols, it work very well]) otherwise, just nuke that place to there is nothing left.  Chances are, the number of none ISIS died via nuke will be less then number die in ISIS hand, in future, if we don't nuke it.

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   ChristinSposted 8 years ago

   Utterly and wholly ridiculous and statements such as this prove you have no idea how terrorism was born and accept no accountability for the role many Western nations have played in it.  Why is it only "terrorism" when it affects people that look like us?  No one cries terrorism about Beirut the other day for example.  Dozens slaughtered there too - no media coverage.
   
   Don't get me wrong, I feel as bad for the French as anyone, it's heart breaking, but to suggest that more violence and interference is the answer is just proof of someone who has no clue as to what's really been going on in the Middle East for the past several decades. 
   
   Terrorists are extremists - and when we bomb nations and go to war over there to protect our oil interests under the guise of "spreading freedom" it becomes a breeding ground for more terrorists to be born.  Couple this with the fact that the US has armed and trained many of these terrorists when they were "freedom fighters" against regimes we didn't like.
   
   The military industrial complex that profits off of war will always have you chasing a bogeyman. They want you mired in fear and reactionary so that you blindly go along with more wars and conflicts that they profit off of.
   
   Yes, we need to deal with extremists, but the  answer isn't nuking countries into oblivion.  How would you feel if another country came to yours to allegedly protect you? spent years building bases and bombign the stuffings out of you? Trained terrorists in your country who ultimately turned on you? 
   
   The US govt. are responsible for numerous civilian deaths you don't hear about.  There has been plenty of terrorism to go around and it's not just ISIS. If we want to really start to eradicate extremism - it's time to take a different approach that isn't just a fear-based, violent reactionary stance like you've propose here.  Insanity is doing the same things over and over again and expecting different results.  Until we can accept the fact that we played a role in this; we will never change the world.
   
   An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind - and sadly a lot of blind people running around these days are oblivious to the real costs of war. Most people don't consider the actual human cost - particularly when it involves people from other cultures.  It's only a tragedy when it's the West - and that speaks volumes to other countries about our arrogance and sense of entitlement.

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   fpherj48posted 8 years ago

   Peter,   "Just nuke them," eh?  This is your suggestion?  I see it took you all of 30 seconds to come up with that solution, after HUNDREDS of years of conflict in and with the Middle East.
   Well now Peter, tell us please, where shall we begin?  Maybe we can choose the name of the first country to nuke by the eenie, meenie, mynee mo method?  Or from a big drum like the lottery numbers are chosen?
   
   You do know, do you not, that ISIS, Al Quaida and all the many more extremist groups are everywhere.....EVERYWHERE?   I don't know where you call home, Peter, but if it's America, I hope I don't shock you by informing you that there are "sleeper cells" of Islamist Terrorists in each and every of our 50 States.  Suffice it to say "they" are spread throughout the entire world.
   
   Then there's the little issue with NUCLEAR bombs.  They don't quite work like a Mr. Clean Magic Eraser.  You know, when you have a nasty stain on your wall, magic eraser makes it disappear like magic, just that ugly spot on a great big wall.  It's all gone.  Nuclear bombs work differently..  I do wish I had time today to explain this to you, but I'll just suggest you do some serious, in depth research.  The sooner, the better.
   
   While you're at it, see if you can find some of the volumes and volumes of factual information, HISTORY and eons of reports on The Middle East conflicts, wars, ideologies, all the involvements with countless countries.  Try to read up on what's been going on, what has been for the past 200 or better years, America's continual & failed attempts, wars and "deals."
   America's insistence to interfere with every issue in the world.....to fight every fight for any and everyone else.  After all these many years, unending wars, somehow we can't seem to get the fact that not only can we NOT be the HEROS of the entire world....we need to stop TRYING.
   We have more than enough troubles, insurmountable civil unrest, homelessness, crime, political upheavals, destruction....even of our CONSTITUTION. 
   
   Don't forget Israel, Iraq, Pakistan, Afghanistan, etc etc.  Do you understand Islam?  Christianity? Are you cognizant of the OIL wars?
   I guess I've given you an inordinate amount of home work.  Sorry.  It just seems apparent to me that your question came from a person who hasn't done any homework, ever.
   HOME ...let's take care of our home...our own.  Yes, that in itself should take us at least through to the next 4 generations.

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   bradmasterOCcalposted 8 years ago

   The simple solution is not to do anything that we have done in the past, because for the most part they all failed.
   
   No good deed goes unpunished, and that good deed started when we helped Afghanistan against the Russians. These people then took advantage of their US training, and now we are their targets.
   
   They don't have the resources or the skills to defeat us, and yet that is what they have done.
   
   They have proven that the mouse that roared can scare away the big fat cat. This emboldens them and all like them.
   
   Winning a war is not a military victory, it is resolving the issues that caused the war.
   
   Under that definition the US hasn't won a war since 1898. And a lot of that failure goes to the people of the US who get tired of the war, and want to just leave. I understand not liking the war to continue, but I also understand that this kind of action just defers the war. It then comes back mutated and stronger than before.
   
   Our plan of action should be not to repeat the mistakes of the past.
   
   It is sort of like when the killer bees were heading to the US. We couldn't really kill all of them and we need the bees to pollinate our crops. So one plan was to take our passive bees and marry them to the hostile killer bees.

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