Mr. Trump Enables Animal Cruelty In Alaska

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   JAKE Earthshineposted 5 years ago

   Animal lovers and advocates UNITE to obstruct the inhumane cruelty: I know it’s hard to believe, but just when you think cowardly Donald Trump’s supply of pure darkness is exhausted from trying to take away your children’s healthcare or endorsing an alleged child molester for U.S. Senate, another atrocious policy or protective law reversal spews from his mouth and petite hands: This time, laws which prevent animal cruelty in Alaska will be reversed, unless the forces of good from the resistance via court action to block this utter insanity is successful:
   
   Before you respond here in this discussion forum, just try to imagine this, wolves and their new born pups laying peacefully in their warm protective den or shelter, then, a cowardly gun owner hunter sneaks up, takes aim and fires into their home: Got the horrifically gruesome vision engrained in your mind? Aside from law suits to obstruct this abomination, what else should be done by animal advocates and lovers to immediately halt this crime against the animal kingdom and what price other than Mueller’s potential indictment and the New York investigation should Mr. Trump pay for this horrendous act?
   
   http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/20 … laska.html
   
   In upside down Trumpworld, the inhumane atrocious act of shooting harmless wolves and their pups in their home is not considered animal cruelty, it’s just labelled political incorrectness: It will happen unless you make your voices known to this insane white house: Demand protection not slaughter of your vulnerable animal kingdom:
   
   

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      wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      I'm sorry, but hunting is not animal cruelty and it certainly isn't an "inhumane atrocious act "  Try to keep your TDS under better control.  Try hard.

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         JAKE Earthshineposted 5 years agoin reply to this

         Sorry wilderness, but just keep in mind I'm not a Trump fan which means I completely understand the difference between good and evil, up and down, and north from south, and everyone knows the insane act of shooting wolves and their pups in their den or other shelter is nothing less than inhumane cruelty: It's impossible to describe the intentional killing of these beautiful wild canines any other way:
         
         Those cold individuals who dare preform this atrocious act of animal cruelty and or support a white house that endorses this insanity will I presume be paid back in spades with an abundance of dark karma:

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            wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            Not being a Trump fan has nothing to do with hunting.
            
            But when it is something Trump has said or done, having TDS certainly does.  I think the President could hunt cockroaches and termites and you'd call it an "atrocious act of animal cruelty".

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               JAKE Earthshineposted 5 years agoin reply to this

               Sorry wilderness, but once again, you're not talking to a gullible uninformed Trump fan, I can't be hoodwinked into an upside down way of thinking, I'm somewhat intelligent and I certainly understand the difference between good and evil, an insect pest and wolf pups,  but I don't know what TDS is nor do I care, but it sounds an awful lot like the phrase 'political correctness', which are simply words used by Trump fans as an excuse for all the dumb, reckless, crazy and illegal things Mr. Trump does almost daily:
               
               I understand perfectly the difference between a destructive pest and wolf pups, and all true animal lovers and advocates understand the fact that using a rifle or any other weapon to kill a harmless wolf pup in her warm den or other shelter or anywhere else where they assume they are safe from soul less degenerates, is an absolute atrocity: How can dark karma not befall an individual who commits such an appalling act?

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                  wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  LOL  Ask the cattle ranchers if wolf pups are a "destructive pest"!
                  
                  Yes, you've been hoodwinked into "upside down thinking".  Willingly, I'm sure, but nonetheless hoodwinked.

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                     JAKE Earthshineposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                     You apparently misread or misunderstood my last comment:
                     
                     I'm a former conservative republican who has seen the light, repented, and moved over to the good progressive democratic side never to support another republican healthcare underminer for the remainder of my life:
                     
                     I am not and never will be a supporter of a delusional, racist, white supremacist like Mr. Trump or republican accomplices who now among all the other atrocities he's already committed, has made it legal to slaughter innocent wolves and their pups in their homes, UNREAL: Therefore, I'm living proof of an individual who has not and never will be 'hoodwinked' as most Trump fans have been into thinking good is bad and bad is good:
                     
                     Like I said before wilderness, I understand good from bad, holy from evil and east from west, and despite claims to the contrary, I clearly understand animal cruelty, which is now permissible in Alaska with Mr. Trump's perverted blessing, is absolutely evil:
                     
                     Animal lovers must UNITE to stop this insanity before it's too late:

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                        wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                        What I said: an obvious case of Trump Disorder Syndrome.  Anything connected to Trump (except Americans that are Democrats) is evil.

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                           JAKE Earthshineposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                           Although Mr. Trump is unquestionably a creature of darkness, I never said anything connected to him is evil, but sabotaging our healthcare system, cutting health care for our children and endorsing a insane law in Alaska which allows sick, disturbed human beings to murder wolves and their pups is irrefutably evil:

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                              Live to Learnposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                              Unless you are a vegetarian, this is silly. How many animals are butchered, every day, to feed Americans? Are their lives of less value? And fish. How many are suffocated by lack of water, to feed us? What of them?
                              
                              Don't get me going on the number of studies which show plants have a sense of being. All murdered. With not a care for how they sense the act of harvest.
                              
                              How many microbes are destroyed by your very breathing?
                              
                              Murderer.  Shame.

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                                 PrettyPantherposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                                 Are you saying we can't address one atrocity or legalized human cruelty without addressing all similar or related atrocities or legalized cruelties? How odd.

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                                    Live to Learnposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                                    I think, what I'm saying is the hypocrisy of our 'caring' grates at times. Remember, I used to run a meat processing plant which processed wild game in season. I've heard it all. Caring should not be limited to life forms we feel some connection with. All life is precious, but if the balance in nature is off kilter, we have to address it.
                                    
                                    In my state coyotes are decimating the deer population. Measures can seem extreme, but it is necessary to preserve the ability of other wildlife to survive.
                                    
                                    It is no different from addressing a population of bugs in your vicinity. Do you not kill them for little more reason than peaceful coexistence (from your view) is not possible?

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                                       PrettyPantherposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                                       I would say that believing all life forms, from mosquitoes to whales, should be regarded as having the same sensibilities and therefore treated the same is a vast oversimplification.
                                       
                                       But that's a different subject for another day.
                                       
                                       If one is mindful of how we treat our fellow earth dwellwrs, in this case wolves and bears, and our own place in the ecosystem, then legalizing their slaughter is ignoring the fact that we created the problem in the first place. Allowing the slaughter of wolves and bears in their dens is an escalation of the type of human arrogance that, without laws to curb it, results in destruction of entire species and ecosystems.

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                                    JAKE Earthshineposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                                    Well Pretty Panther I agree with you, just like providing healthcare to all Americans and strengthening social security and medicare for our retiring seniors, there really is no debate on this disturbing subject either:
                                    
                                    What Live to Learn obviously doesn't realize is that psychiatrists consider animal cruelty such as slaughtering wolves and their children to be a sign of a severe underlying psychological issue: How on Earth does a normal, healthy, rational thinking human being who possesses emotion and feeling even think about committing this kind of dreadful act, let alone actually carry it out:
                                    
                                    We already know one extremely disturbed, soul less cretin who wouldn't think twice, and he's polluting the oval office right now while he goes ape crazy on twitter waiting to be carried away in cuffs:

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                                       PrettyPantherposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                                       I can tell you this. I would not be friends with a person who "hunts" by shining spotlights on bear and wolf dens and slaughtering them. That is a special kind of callousness that I could not stomach.

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                                          wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                                          I could...if the goal of the hunt is to provide food for a hungry family.  Or, I suppose, there could be circumstances where an animal needs to be killed - the cougar in Washington that killed a biker comes to mind - and it has young that will slowly starve without it.
                                          
                                          But it isn't about that.  It's about killing a carnivore, as opposed to a herbivore, and that's something I don't understand.

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                                       JAKE Earthshineposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                                       wilderness, it appears as if you're either missing or intentionally ignoring the point: The subject matter concerns the intentional slaughtering of an entire family of wolves including pups in their den or shelter and other animal atrocities Pretty Panther mentioned above, we're not discussing the average hunt or hunter, we are talking about extreme cruelty which it's absolutely no surprise at this point, a boring, predictable, soul less creature in the oval office endorsed:
                                       
                                       Animal lovers absolutely must unite to stop this insanity before it's too late by petitioning their representatives and voting out the Russian Republican Stooges in Congress: They must obstruct the demons until the evil in our white house is finally exorcised:

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                                          wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                                          Jake, your wild claims and exaggerations are trying to turn a wolf hunt into searching out dens and killing everything in them...for no more reason than one likes to kill animals.  You have zero concept of hunting, you don't have the faintest why Trump made that decision, and you don't care.  All that matters to you is despising our President and convincing others to do so with silly claims, obnoxious language and slanted, spun rhetoric as you rant about how evil and terrible Trump is.
                                          
                                          When you have something beyond simply ranting about President Trump we can have a discussion.  Until then it isn't going to happen.

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                                             PrettyPantherposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                                             "....bear cubs can be killed alongside their mothers, caribou can be shot from a boat while swimming, wolves, including pups, can be hunted in their dens and other animals can be targeted from airplanes and snowmobiles."
                                             
                                             https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/ani … bf0911206b

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                                                wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                                                "A proposed rule published by the National Park Service in the Federal Register would let Alaskan game officials decide..."
                                                
                                                "The Park Service said its proposal is consistent with an order by Interior Secretary Ryan Zinke to accede to states’ wishes to  expand recreational hunting."
                                                
                                                " And its hunting regulations, according to officials, “are intended to provide opportunity for harvests of wolves, coyotes, bears, and other species as requested by the public.”
                                                
                                                "The Park Service proposal Tuesday comes as the Park Service and Fish and Wildlife Service begin reassessing rules on “various prohibitions that directly contradict State of Alaska authorizations and wildlife management decisions,”
                                                
                                                "The public has two months to weigh in on the proposal"
                                                
                                                “This is a long-awaited and welcomed announcement from the National Park Service,” Rep. Don Young (R) said in the same statement. “I am pleased by this decision to correct an illegal Obama-era power grab.”
                                                
                                                So lets look at it.  The Park Service has proposed a change in rules to fit better with the state rules and, perhaps, accepts that the state and the people in it understand their needs better than Washington does.  It is, at the root, a return of state power to the state instead of to bureaucrats in Washington, and it is being proposed at the state's request.
                                                
                                                And this has somehow morphed into "Mr Trump Enables Animal Cruelty in Alaska".  Can someone, anyone, give the reasoning steps that go from "Park Service proposes rules to match state rules" to "Trump kills baby wolves"?
                                                
                                                While I can't condone the types of killing the rule would allow, I can't truly condemn it either, for it is difficult to argue either side from a position of ignorance.  And I am 100% ignorant of Alaskan wildlife populations, problems, goals or anything else.  I don't know if wolves are a problem, I don't know if moose populations are increasing to the point of disease.  I don't even know what the rules are for native Inuit.
                                                
                                                The one thing I do know is that Jake has, as Jake does, taken one thing and turned into something totally different.  It's not about Trump; it's about states rights.  To anyone but Jake Earthshine, anyway.

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                                                   PrettyPantherposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                                                   As you quoted from the article, ".... accede to states’ wishes to  expand recreational hunting."
                                                   
                                                   Notice the term "recreational" hunting. So, should these rules be approved, a family of wolves could be killed in their dens, just for sport.
                                                   
                                                   Sure, these rule changes were requested by the state, but that does not make the request inherently more ethical, humane or necessary. Certain states once wanted to retain the right to racially segregate public restrooms, too, remember?
                                                   
                                                   As for Jake putting this on Trump, one could argue that the state knew this request would be more likely to be approved under the new administration, given their previous loosening of other animal protections.
                                                   
                                                   And, of course, there is always the irony of Trump and his supporters claiming credit for every positive development since Trump was elected while abdicating responsibility for any of the negative. This is nothing new, but one cannot have it both ways. Last, please show me where Jake said "Trump kills baby wolves" I missed that.

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                                                      wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                                                      "As for Jake putting this on Trump, one could argue that the state knew this request would be more likely to be approved under the new administration, given their previous loosening of other animal protections."
                                                      
                                                      You're right - they could put a small bit of the blame on Trump being in office, whether he actually did anything or not.  They could even put more faux blame on him because he's made no bones that the govt. is interfering in what states should control - remember the park issue?  Such things can be used to turn something into what it isn't, which is what I said.
                                                      
                                                      As far as the actual proposal, forgetting that "Mr. Trump Enables Animal Cruelty in Alaska" completely as something totally false and irrelevant: what I think of the rule is pretty much irrelevant, too.  It really does belong in the hands of Alaskan residents - there is not a single chance that policy makers in Wash. have any recognition at all of what the life or culture is like in Alaska.  It truly is none of their business.  I don't like it, it sounds like crap to me, but I don't live in Alaska, I don't survive on wild meat, I don't fear wolves killing my livestock or pets and I don't tromp around in their wilderness.  I am not in charge of setting morals and ethics for the people that live there, no more than you or DC is.  Not even Jake is, however much he likes to think that "D" after his name means that he is.

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                                                         PrettyPantherposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                                                         I could buy into that, if the proposed changes were not described as for the purpose of  "recreational hunting."

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                                             mrpopoposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                                             What are the merits of this particular decision? I don't know much about hunting but it does seem that these practices are unethical.
                                             
                                             Edit: your latest post pretty much answers my question.

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                                       Live to Learnposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                                       I will tell you. When we bought the processing plant I thought the guys doing the slaughter might suffer psychological problems after some time doing it. Not so. Even the alpacas, their gorgeous eyes and sad expressions brought on leashes, or the lambs brought in sitting in the back of the van. They killed them all. Cheerfully.
                                       
                                       Normal guys. Go figure. The people I found most disturbing were the one who pointed out how delicate their feelings were. They simply couldn't do that. They had no problem eating the by product.

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                                       JAKE Earthshineposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                                       Your disturbed mega corrupt twitter crazed president endorses a law which allows individuals to slaughter a family of wolves, an atrocious practice which was BANNED as it should have been under president Obama, an intelligent, strong, thinking, caring leader: It's no different than slaughtering a wild dog and her puppies:
                                       
                                       We're not talking about a person lost in the wild who is desperate for sustenance for survival, or a person lost in the freezing cold who needs to break into a log cabin for shelter which would be acceptable defenses and despite your deflections and attempts at conflating different issues, anyone who could possibly even think of committing this kind of despicable animal cruelty, killing a family of wolves, should seek immediate help and attention because he or she needs it:
                                       
                                       To repeat, I'm sure you can convince gullible Trump fans into believing this atrocious practice is not evil, but I'm not of that breed thank God, I do have a heart, soul, feelings and a conscience within me and I plan and hope to keep my karma as warm and good as humanly possible by obstructing the darkness in the oval office:

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                                       JAKE Earthshineposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                                       mrpopo, we appreciate your understanding and compassion related to this extremely disturbing issue and yes, absolutely the unbelievable act of any human being murdering a family of wolves in their den or anywhere for that matter, is unquestionably unethical as you've mentioned and irrefutably an atrocity:
                                       
                                       How far do we allow Mr. Trump's insanity fester under the guise of a president?

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                     Live to Learnposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                     This type of complaint boggles the mind. You can't reason with it.

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      ahorsebackposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Jake , Something that most all emotionally sensitive anti- hunting public never begin to understand is that game animals reproduce annually at a rate of approximately 25 - 35 % per year .  Most of what are called "Big Game "species fall into at least that percentage .   Many species of  such "big game " survive on the very edge of this sensitive reproduction problem.
      
      For instance , white tailed deer , reproducing at around 30 % of newborn annually , would be not only completely run out of usable feeding and survival habitat within two or three years maximum  thus starving to death without  legal harvesting !   Why do you think that while driving through a heavily vehicle  traveled state like Pennsylvania   that you see so many dead animals on the highway ?  No different than wolves , elephants or even many smaller game animals .
      
      This is just fact -- not my opinion .  if you really want to change this truth and reality I suggest you tear down a couple of housing developments  , a factory or two and return the land to the wild , Yes ,  It does come down to humans or animals occasionally    Have you seen anyone returning habitat to the wild lately ?

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   PrettyPantherposted 5 years ago

   I grew up in a hunting family. We ate venison, quail, even rabbit. My brother, who still bags a deer every year with his bow, says shooting a family of pups in their own den is not hunting, but slaughtering. I agree.

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      wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      I agree as well.  But then I don't see going out to bag a trophy elk and either leave the meat or give it away as "hunting" either.  Like you I grew up on wild meat - hunting is the process of providing such food to the family.
      
      When I moved East, into central Va., I found that "deer hunting" involved half dozen or so people with shotguns, 20 or 30 dogs, and several cases of beer.  I haven't hunted since.

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   Wesman Todd Shawposted 5 years ago

   Another ridiculous word salad from someone who doesn't know the meaning of half the words he uses. It's what we have come to expect , and he sure doesn't disappoint.
   
   Who's sock puppet is that anyway?
   
   Early in the week it was insisted there was an imposter POTUS. Someone, he says, is pretending to be Donald Trump in the White House. That is what use of the word, per the definition, would imply.
   
   Boy Howdy, wonder where the real Donald Trump has gotten off to. Maybe he is in area 51.
   
   Demons? I request a citation. Russian stooges? I request proof. Pure darkness? What does that even mean, I wonder.
   
   Take away children's healthcare? Has Donald Trump removed a child from a hospital somewhere? Citation requested.
   
   What about feral hogs? Is controlling the feral hog population something we should attribute to demons and Russian stooges? Why so Russophobic from the left?
   
   Oh wait, the poster doesn't care about feral hog culling because the imposter Trump isn't behind it. Funny how that works.
   
   I wonder has our esteemed OP ever met a Russian. Show me on the doll where the Russian touched you.

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      PrettyPantherposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Yes, we see that Jake is getting on your last nerve.  How do you know what anyone in this thread thinks about feral hog culling?
      
      The topic is legally slaughtering bears and wolves in their dens. Do you have an opinion on that, or did you just pop in to display your irritation with Jake?

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         JAKE Earthshineposted 5 years agoin reply to this

         Pretty Panther, the truth must really be irritating Wesman, he doesn't seem to understand that Mr. Trump and his family could care less about him or his family, has chalked up zero accomplishments for the American people as if that's what he ran for, while illegally enriching his own greedy elite pockets and yes, that's just one reason which makes him an illegitimate impostor president, and now to compliment his insane policies which allow poison to be dumped into streams by mining companies, why not endorse animal cruelty?
         
         Why not give the green light to disturbed human beings who  obviously need mental help, to sneak up on a family of wolves which are essentially canines, and slaughter them while they sleep, play, eat or wander:
         
         I could never even think of committing such an atrocious inhumane act: It's just an evil dark policy approved by an evil dark elderly man struggling to survive in the white house:

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            PrettyPantherposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            What you are saying, in a very dramatic fashion, is that you believe these 'hunting" methods to be barbaric and unethical, is that right? I agree.
            
            So, in a case involving practices that our society could deem beneath the basic tenets of human decency, states' rights wouldn't apply. I noticed wilderness sidestepped the example I gave where states have previously claimed "rights" that our federal government and Supreme Court have designated to be unlawful, such as racial segregation.

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               ahorsebackposted 5 years agoin reply to this

               KIlling Animals --101
               -Plastic wrapped meat is still an animal that dies.
               -Prime rib you get at the steak house come from a vending machine ?
               -Nice leather pocket book you got there .
               -Thanksgiving aint the same with salad .
               -Gonna put that pet dog down when he get's old ?
               
               The difference between a hunter and you is simply that someone else kills your food and clothing , the killing is still necessary .

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                  Live to Learnposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  Hey. Don't bring up anything in our food chain. Totally unfair. If it made it into their mouths it had to be kosher.

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                     ahorsebackposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                     No ,  even the Kosher eaters accept the reality of the true food chain debate , but this IS where the anti's will come at us as "Vegans " , one of the best [and richest ]deer hunters I've ever known took me on a tour of his Kosher meat plant in RI..
                     
                     Totally unfair ? Yes .  It's SO unfair to watch that debate from the standpoint of say the brilliant Ted Nugent and the usual anti's in a debate  , the anti's leave the debate in tears of their usual hypocrisy . 
                     
                     All we can do is shake our heads.

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                        Live to Learnposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                        I consider Ted Nugent an over the top idiot who would be better advised to keep his mouth closed. That's just me.
                        
                        The bottom line is everything has to eat. People simply have no idea what toll a predator population takes on other wildlife in the area and, picking one species over another to get up in arms about when they are harvested, (whatever the reason for harvesting) falls on a lot of deaf ears.
                        
                        Let the residents of that area decide what needs to be done in that area. That appears to be the bottom line of the federal stand. I back that.

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                           ahorsebackposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                           LTL ,  "............I think Ted nugent is an over the top idiot ..................."
                           I hope in that estimation you have taken the time to listen to the "...over the top ....." from the anti-gun , anti-hunting left ?   I hope you have watch the idiocy of animal rights protesters throwing buckets of processed pig blood at a business' owners  and  legal ,law abiding hunters ?
                           
                           Nugent's idiocy ? There's plenty of that from P.E.T.A. ., Greenpeace , the SPCA's  and others to go around my friend .

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               JAKE Earthshineposted 5 years agoin reply to this

               Well Pretty Panther, not only is killing an entire family of wolves barbaric and unethical which the impostor Trump admin now approves of which is totally predictable and really no surprise considering the unprecedented corruption and darkness, it's pure evil and anyone who could even imagine this type of atrocity or plan it is not playing with a full deck: This disturbed individual is absolutely a danger to society just like hallucination prone Mr. Trump is and the experts know this:
               
               Imagine this, an individual commits this extreme act of inhumane cruelty or simply just conjures a plan to do it, and then visits the local psychiatrist, or psychologist or even a guidance counselor to confess what he had just done: What would be the recommendation? I guarantee the expert would retain him for a necessary psychological evaluation or face reprimand:

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                  Castlepalomaposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  I am with you Jake, yes you are over the top on some things. As long as your heart is in the right place, you can do no wrong.
                  
                  
                  human-comprise-0.01-of-the-total-weight-of-life-on-earth-but-are-responsible-for-killing-nearly-all-wild-mammals. The last 50 years human have kill most of the wildlife on earth and 90℅ of big fish. Don't worry about livestock survival, they have 5 times the bio mass over humans where land mammals don't.
                  
                  I was paid to reserch and patrol bears for a few years of all kinds in Western Canada. It is like Iraq time 50 for killer poachers and hunters destroying them. It's taken 4 US presidents to try to desploy the great ancient culture and poor people of Iraq. Wish I could train bears to protect themselves from humans greatest mental illness-  killing.
                  
                  Trump loves to bring back human torture and the arms race. What suffering will come out of his evil mouth next.

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   psycheskinnerposted 5 years ago

   This policy has nothing to do with tradition "fair chase" hunting.  No hunter I know shoots pups in a den.

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      ahorsebackposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      I agree wholeheartedly ,  however .   In defense of most hunting we have to look at the regional facts and statistics of even these hunts .   For one , native Alaskans can do even worse . Natives can harpoon a whale and drag it onto the ice and slice it to smithereens . They can and have  killed wolves  even when they are endangered or near extinct in other regions .
      
      It is however totally juvenile to blame Trump and even ethical hunters for the even these legal acts of a few  , every hunter that I know is ethical , honest and emotionally affected at the kill ,   Not too long ago  I sent a famous and highly filmed world class hunter a lengthy e-mail explaining how ETHICAL hunters condemn  trophy African hunters and exactly why .    He sent me a pretty nasty e- mail back and I've yet to carry on that conversation.    Just proof that their are worlds of differences not only  between but even  within ideologies .

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      Castlepalomaposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      To allow barbaric hunting tactics such as killing hibernating bear families in their dens -They can legally enter bear and wolf dens to kill mothers and their young cubs and pups. It would be more humane to kill the young. Because if you kill the mother bear. Without the mother protection, they are done. About 50℅ of the cubs are eaten by male bears anyway.  The cubs lack of training for food, will for sure kill them.
      
      To allow hunters to kill animals from airplanes, motor boat,  Steel-jawed  traps and wire snares on these national land. These cruel hunting practices should be banned, not encourage. A great unbalanced approach.
      
      Nothing surprises me from Trump. Along with these scum sucking lawyers who protect nothing good.

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         ahorsebackposted 5 years agoin reply to this

         "...........Nothing surprises me with Trump.......... "Trump neither invented nor allowed hunting  , even Alaskan bear  hunting , yet leave it to you guys to blame him for that and what ever else , thunder , lightning , tornados , hurricanes , black holes ?   
         
         Come on Castle , you're smarter than that .

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            Castlepalomaposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            Trump’s new wildlife conservation board comprises several trophy hunters. He sign on to too many other cruel practices.
            
            Trump may have sold you that he has not one racist bone in his body. After all the oil fracking or fossil fuel and endless other damage to earth. How about one healthy natural environment bone in his body?
            
            I don't care about arms race, cold blooded crooks and lawyers don't want to kill their young. They are too stupid to realize natures environment negative change is mankinds greatest threat.
            
            The Artic region is missing a chunk of ice measuring about the size of the states of Texas, Arizona and Kansas combined.
            
            Would Trump lift one finger to collect all the ice from Casinos and ship it to the Artic, or blame climate change as a Chinese hoax.

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               ahorsebackposted 5 years agoin reply to this

               Castle , Liberals  blame Trump for everything they hate simply  because they hate him ,   Seems kind of sophomoric to me though ,  let's see ...Trump faults ...............ocean pollution ,  dictators ,  plastic straw pollution ,  pit bull attacks , ground hog diseases ,   Help me out here !.........northern light pollution ,  barking dogs ,  early morning garbage truck noise........jet trails ....................asparagus , brussel sprouts............

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                  Castlepalomaposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  I didn't know liberalism majored on all these minor things.
                  
                  It's probably why I gave up on political fairytales

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      JAKE Earthshineposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      I'm with you psycheskinner: There are virtually no excuses and or defenses for killing a family of wolves unless of course an individual is lost in Alaska and desperately needs food to survive, other than that, it's an open and shut case and there is no debate:
      
      The act of killing a family of wolves for any reason other than an emergency where your survival is at stake, is an abominable act of evil, nothing more nothing less and that's just the plain truth: But what else could we possibly expect from the most corrupt and evil impostor Trump administration in history?
      
      This abominable decision was very predictable but thank God we have the resistance which will contest and obstruct this insanity in the court:

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   Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago

   Sounds like a new board game. Crook's and latters. Slide an economy down by spending 70 billion dollars on a useless wall waving US flags.Or spend 25 dollars on a latter on the Mexican side to visit your original family.

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      ahorsebackposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Castle , The wall ,... I won't ask you to leave your door open tonight to signify an open border on America , but a friend of mine  told me the other day  ........." I don't lock my doors at night because I hate anybody else , .....I  lock my doors at night because I love and protect MY family ........."
      
      Think of The Wall that way .

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         Castlepalomaposted 5 years agoin reply to this

         I've lived in many parts of Latin America. Left my doors more often than living in the States.
         
         Mexican are the Largest native tribe in North America and owned once 1/3 of America. Once you say someone is Illegal and an Alien then you have stripped them of their heritage, their culture their history their identity.  You have dehumanized them  and made then out to be a criminal. Send Trump back to Scotland. Oh I forgot, they don't want him neither. For sure Europe is not sending their best.
         
         Mexican are not raping and pillaging America. America is doing that best to most of the world.

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         Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this

         Didn't your boy Spanky say Mexico would pay for the wall and didn't Vincente Fox say Mexico was not going to pay for the f***ing wall? Which was the liar, horse? You probably believed the former instead of the latter I'd wager, eh horse?

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            ahorsebackposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            Randy , your angry again aren't you ? Don't you know what anger will do to your insides ?     
            But economics 101 , Lets make this very easy to understand ;
            
            So, Billy's daddy gives Billy  an allowance of two dollars a week right ?
            Billy  goes to store each Saturday and buys a soda and a  candy bar ,walks down the railroad tracks and picks up rocks , Billy loves his allowance and throwing rocks ,  throwing them at assorted targets , one Saturday he throws his rock through Mr. Ferguson's plate glass window , shattering it in hundreds of pieces,  Billy hates Mr.Ferguson ,  When Ferguson confronts Billy and marches him by the ear to his daddy's recliner saying Billy here broke my plate glass picture window Billys daddy gets angry at Billy , Billy gets mad at Daddy and Mr Ferguson ,  Billy laughs and says ;
            
            "I will Not pay for his window,  I hate Mr Ferguson and I hate you too " !
            
            Daddy says calmly , " Okay Billy, fine , No more allowance "
            
            No more foreign aid .   Wall paid for with ex-foreign aid dollars . Window paid for with allowance dollars .Tomorrow  lesson number two , How to color nice pictures with crayons .

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               Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this

               So you bought Spanky's lie as well?  Better keep coloring as that's all you understand, Dan!

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                  Castlepalomaposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  Liked the Dick  and Jane story.
                  
                  How it relates to Trump blowing his top every  week,  I don't know, Maybe.

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                     Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                     I think he was trying to make some sort of excuse as to why Spanky lied about Mexico paying for the wall. Perhaps he will color us a picture as his analogies don't work well.

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                        Castlepalomaposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                        Mexico will never pay for it.

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                           Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                           Dan says we'll cut off their allowance. That'll teach 'em Spanky means business! 

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   Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago

   US international trading by Trump makes a lot of countries blow their top.
   
   The Trump idea” to pay for the wall. .... under which Trump could impose a 20% tariff on all Mexican imports
   
   A picture Trump nude on a wrecking ball.
   1. Mexico will rise their product prices
   2.Without Mexican cheap labour in the US. They cannot compete.
   3. The Worse because Trump is over tariff many countries. The Act and following retaliatory tariffs by America's trading partners were major factors of the reduction of American exports and imports by more than half during the Depression.
   
   I hope enough good American catch  this in time.

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   JAKE Earthshineposted 5 years ago

   "A NEW LOW: TRUMP’S PLAN TO LIFT BAN ON BARBARIC HUNTING TACTICS"
   
   This is absolutely unholy, un-Christian, barbaric and anyone who could possibly condone this vicious behavior or perpetrate this evil is going straight to hell without a life line:
   
   If animal lovers don't mind Mr. Trump sabotaging their children's healthcare, perhaps this stunning reversal of laws that protect cruelty to animals might get them to stronglyobstruct the pure evil spewing from the oval office: If animal lovers are truly sincere, they must band together and vote against sick Mr. Trump and his Russian controlled republican congressional accomplices:
   
   "HUNTING/ANIMAL LAWS) Condemned as a “new low,” the Trump administration is attempting to repeal Obama-era rules banning cruel and harmful hunting practices in Alaska.
   
   The proposal promotes the senseless slaughter of Alaska’s most iconic wildlife as it would allow hunters to kill bear cubs and wolf pups in their dens, use dogs and bait to hunt bears, and shoot swimming caribou from motorboats.
   
   Not only are these controversial sport hunting and trapping techniques utterly barbaric and inhumane, but Trump’s plan to increase hunting opportunities on national preserve land casts aside the very purpose of national parks to protect wildlife and the environment."
   
   https://www.globalanimal.org/2018/05/24 … g-tactics/

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      Castlepalomaposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Yes, this is very sad for lovers of any kind. Don't send Satan after Trump, because Yahweh and Satan are in bed together.
      
      Love is the only answer, love dose conquer all.  When you send in another military of any kind, NWO beats them everytime.  I will work my part then wait for the full suffering abuse to hit the fan.

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         JAKE Earthshineposted 5 years agoin reply to this

         The only logical conclusion is that Satan has already infiltrated Mr. Trump's entire being, there is no other rational explanation for his evil and corrupt mind:

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   Castlepalomaposted 5 years ago

   A mentally ill prison hospital would work.
   
   He is getting closed to old diapers time, both physically and politically.

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   JAKE Earthshineposted 5 years ago

   
   Mr. Trump's caged children atrocity
   
   What kind of a doomed, 3rd world, former great nation has the USA been reduced to by an elderly, orange faced, hateful, draft dodging, weak cowardly madman named Trump and his repugnant republican accomplices? If you happen to reside in Alaska, Mr. Trump through his great wisdom and compassion, recently made it possible for hunters to slaughter an entire family of wolves in their home: What kind of mentally disturbed individual would commit this atrocity anyway, even if legal?
   
   For Immediate Release, April 4, 2017
   
   "Trump Signs Legislation to Kill Wolves, Bears in Alaska"
   
   "Republicans Repeal Rules Against Cruel, Unsportsmanlike Killings of Predators in National Wildlife Refuges
   
   WASHINGTON— President Trump late Monday signed legislation to strip away protections implemented by the Obama administration for wolves, bears and other predators on national wildlife refuges in Alaska. The bill, approved by Congress and signed by Trump, allows wolves and their pups to be killed in their dens and bears to be gunned down at bait stations."
   
   https://www.biologicaldiversity.org/new … 4-2017.php
   
   If that combined with his constant, unlawful assault on your healthcare wasn't quite enough extreme barbarism for your liking, you can now commit the despicable crime against humanity of caging innocent children indefinitely, God's creations caged en mass to be punished for their parents misdemeanor, the equivalent infraction of littering or jaywalking: UNREAL and unacceptable:

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      Castlepalomaposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      It is unacceptable.
      What can you do about a delusional greedy king?

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