free health care for all

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  1. lovetherain profile image80
    lovetherainposted 5 years ago

    Can the United States afford to have free health care for all? Why or why not?

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      promisemposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      No, because it removes any individual responsibility for managing personal health.

      I don't smoke, keep my weight down, exercise daily and eat a good diet both for better health and to avoid the huge expenses of bad health.

      We have the most obese country on the planet and the illnesses and medical expenses that come with obesity. I shouldn't have to pay extra taxes to take care of irresponsible people.

      If anyone should pay a penalty, it should be them. That said, medical care should be affordable for all, not free for all.

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      1. lovetherain profile image80
        lovetherainposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        The question was, can we afford it

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          promisemposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          Yes, and I answered it, although maybe not in the way you wanted. I'll try another way.

          The lack of individual responsibility removes an important incentive to keep costs down. It's one reason why it's so expensive now -- because too many people get away with not taking care of their health.

          If we make it free, that incentive is gone and costs will go even higher, making it unaffordable to the country.

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        2. gmwilliams profile image84
          gmwilliamsposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          The idea of free health care for all is beyond preposterous.  Just like the idea of free college for all.  If one wants something, either pay for it or...…...DO WITHOUT!

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        3. MizBejabbers profile image88
          MizBejabbersposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          Maybe temporarily, or would socialized medicine cause a breakdown in the medical system? I say this because on a trip to the Soviet Union in 1990, I spoke with a Russian student who complained about growing up poor. She said her mother was a doctor and made about $300 a month under the socialist medical system. She was astounded that doctors in the U.S. made around $100,000 a year at that time. I wonder if we went to socialized medicine, would our young lose interest in becoming doctors because they would feel like they would not be making enough money. (Today doctors who accept Medicare patients complain of being shortchanged financially.) Would we suffer a shortage of doctors? After all, today's doctors in the U.S. are in a position of prestige and wealth. Today it is easy to tell which doctors are in it because it is their calling and which ones are in it strictly for the prestige and the money. Even the latter do provide services that are badly needed.

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      2. Ken Burgess profile image75
        Ken Burgessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        I agree with all the above, but to answer the question, no we cannot.

        American Corporations - Big Pharma, Insurance, Inter-state healthcare groups, are all going to fight against true 'socialized' medical care.

        With a market worth more than $3 trillion, drug firms, medical providers, and health technology companies have an incentive to maintain a system that lets them set prices instead of negotiating with a single government payer. Both the GOP and the Democratic party are under the influence of the medical-industrial complex.

        In addition our doctors and medical staff are the highest paid in the world, the average American doctor makes about $160k general practitioner and $235 specialist while Canada for example averages $100k gp and $160 specialist.

        Another problem is population, Canada is a country of about 35 million, which has 65% of its population engaged in its workforce, the United States with a population of 325 million sits at about 60%.

        Canada's healthcare system is not burdening its population with paying $500 dollars for a $5 dollar pill, or $15k for an insurance policy that doesn't cover anything until you have spent through $5k in deductibles.

        So the factors are that we have fewer workers (percentage wise)  contributing into the system, meaning more are depending upon it.
        And we have much higher costs across the board for medical expenses.  It would require a revolution (overthrow of the current system) to displace, as these Trillion dollar medical industries would never allow the politicians to push through a law that would change things and kill their profits.

        Anything they pass would just be another major 'screw the working American' system like the ACA was.

        https://qz.com/1022831/why-doesnt-the-u … alth-care/

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    2. JAKE Earthshine profile image66
      JAKE Earthshineposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Of course we can afford health care for ALL Americans, Bozo Trump and his Russian republican accomplices just gave trillions of our wealth away to elite Wall Street Hoarders via their corporate welfare tax scam:

      If we can afford that massive money give away we can certainly afford health Insurance for ALL:

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      1. lovetherain profile image80
        lovetherainposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        I agree. Thanks for actually answering the question.

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          ahorsebackposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          We're not done yet ..................
          Wishing it doesn't make it so .

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          promisemposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          Maybe you can answer your own question too with your reasons for thinking that way.  smile

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        3. JAKE Earthshine profile image66
          JAKE Earthshineposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          You're welcome lovetherain: But be aware and don't fall for the conservative LIE that Dems are in favor of 'free' healthcare because that's not the plan and they know it even though fox loser channel propagates this falsehood to a sickening degree:

          Who actually gets 'free' money a 'free' pass the right and entitlement to 'free' load off of the backs of the American people and the equivalent of welfare? In this most corrupt and evil impostor trump administration, the already filthy rich do in the form of republicans corporate welfare tax cut scam that was recently passed:

          Unaaceptable and must be REPEALED ASAP:

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            ahorsebackposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            Democratic platform ;
            -Free health care
            -Guaranteed minimum wages
            -Free higher education
            -Free day -care at work
            -Free voting rights for illegals
            -Free Clean energy
            -Free pre -pre-school

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          2. Wesman Todd Shaw profile image80
            Wesman Todd Shawposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            If Fox is the republican news channel, and republicans are in power, then logically, Fox is the WINNER channel, and not the loser.

            Cheesus. You're all smoked out, bud.


            https://hubstatic.com/14161892.jpg

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              ahorsebackposted 5 years agoin reply to this

              I love that meme !

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            2. JAKE Earthshine profile image66
              JAKE Earthshineposted 5 years agoin reply to this

              https://hubstatic.com/14162891.jpg

              P.S.: The only people who 'free load' off the backs of the working class and all other Amercians in a FAILED Russian republican controlled capitalistic white house and congress, are the filthy rich who truly believe in their warped, twisted, greedy little minds that they are entitled to use workers then TAKE all of our wealth without giving back one red cent in return to the community:

              It's long past time Dems change the corrupt failed capitalism running rampant in the most corrupt impostor admin in history where Wall Street gets trillions and a Bozo implant in the oval office sabotages our healthcare system:

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              1. Wesman Todd Shaw profile image80
                Wesman Todd Shawposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                That was easily the dumbest comment in the history of the Hubpages forums. Well, I guess someone had to win the honor, and who better but captain hyperbolic bovine scat.

                You ever consider publishing articles out of your prose? You'd publish under news and politics, but the moderators would have to move your stuff to comedy.

                Have you ever considered making a claim you could actually prove about ...anything? Of course you haven't. CNN and MSNBC are your fantasy fiction shows, but you are the last man in America who thinks that stuff is real. Besides bozo Godwin, I mean.

                Russians aren't able to register as republicans, and they aren't allowed to vote in the USA. Again, if Trump isn't POTUS, then where is Donald Trump? Who is he if he isn't Donald Trump? Do you even have the ability to comprehend what the definition of the word 'impostor' is? I guess 3 syllables are simply too much for you.

                Just nevermind economics, and the facts about the world's largest economy booming, and unemployment being very very low. 'Economics' is four syllables, and there is simply no chance the concept behind it could be explained, at all, to a CNN fan.

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                1. Randy Godwin profile image59
                  Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  Wussman, personal attacks do not add any credibility to your claims. But you already know that as a Spanky adorer. You are just like him in many ways. tongue

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                  1. JAKE Earthshine profile image66
                    JAKE Earthshineposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                    Randy, I always thought there were TOS Rules about personal attacks from one HP member directed at another: Maybe they have changed? ahorseback and Wesman seem to attack me and others uncontrollably simply because the truth apparently is not acceptable to them:

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      2. wilderness profile image95
        wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        I would be interested in seeing your rigorous mathematical analysis of what it would cost and where the money would come from (all of our money is already earmarked for something).

        Failing that, your guess that we can afford an unknown amount because we allow people to keep what they own is absolutely worthless.  Just another nonsense statement you can't back up.

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    3. Wesman Todd Shaw profile image80
      Wesman Todd Shawposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      There is no such thing as 'free.' So it is very impossible to have an imaginary thing, except for as a distraction in one's head.

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      1. lovetherain profile image80
        lovetherainposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        Way to dodge the question

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        1. Wesman Todd Shaw profile image80
          Wesman Todd Shawposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          A nonsensical question can't be dodged. Your question was about like asking what the color red tastes like.

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          1. lovetherain profile image80
            lovetherainposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            You just don't like the answer to the question, which is "Yes".

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            1. Wesman Todd Shaw profile image80
              Wesman Todd Shawposted 5 years agoin reply to this

              You do not 'deserve' things that you do not earn. Someone may give something to you, and that is perfectly fine, but you do not get to decide how to spend other people's money smile

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                ahorsebackposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                ++++++++++++++=

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              2. gmwilliams profile image84
                gmwilliamsposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                +1000000000000000000000.

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          2. gmwilliams profile image84
            gmwilliamsposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            +100000000000000000000, couldn't said it better!

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      2. gmwilliams profile image84
        gmwilliamsposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        EXACTLY!   If one wants a service, PAY for that service.  Either pay or DO WITHOUT!

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    4. Kathryn L Hill profile image78
      Kathryn L Hillposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      No, it cannot. It cannot because it cannot. why do you ask, because you want free health care? Nothing is free so what you want is an

                               I L L U S  I O N  ! ! ! !

      Have fun with that.

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      1. Kathryn L Hill profile image78
        Kathryn L Hillposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        By the way, pot is bad for you and sugar, and too much alcohol and pharmaceuticals, and drugs of all sorts, and junk food, and lack of sleep, and no money and no job and no education and no friends and bad friends and no family and bad mothers and no fathers and ... where is this nation headed? ... what is good about modern society, I'm starting to wonder??
         
        I think we are headed for some sort of catastrophe, what with the way kids are being educated and raised on technology and becoming addicted at a young age to smart phones, computer games and TV and colorful talking toys ... then both parents must work and the kids are stuck in school/daycare for twelve hours at a time, including preschoolers, and yes we need free health care but it is impossible to have so my advice is don't expect it anytime soon ... 
        as in NEVER EVER!

        Maybe figure out how to stay healthy and how to live without drugs and pharmaceuticals. Know how to prevent disease. Natural healing can be had. It just takes a little knowledge of how the body works.

        I would say that, today, thanks to Obama Care, going to doctors and hospitals is very scary and dangerous.

        What's the value of anything that's free?

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      2. gmwilliams profile image84
        gmwilliamsposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        +10000000000000000000000000!

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    ahorsebackposted 5 years ago

    I have said this before in other threads , The State of  Vermont a very liberal , primarily democratic majority of legislators AND residents  studied this very point to death a few years ago .    It was stated that free healthcare ; Obamacare , the AHCA , in Vermont they had their own name which escapes me right now ,  would effectively  more than double the states projected yearly  budgeting.       Vermont , already an overtaxed , over regulated , underinsured , understaffed  state would have suffered a catastrophic  taxing increase .

    Someone needs to answer that simple question that no one ever answers ;   How do you pay for free healthcare that doubles taxation ,

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    1. lovetherain profile image80
      lovetherainposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      You rearrange your budget.

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        ahorsebackposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        Oh that's how we do it  ! Brilliant !

        Now who suffers , infrastructure ,  Medicare -caid ,education , welfare ,   state wages , benefits ,  retirement funds ,   policing ,   universities ,  ...............?

        With all of the above underfunded and the people paying over taxed , where does doubling it come from?
        It's a very, very simple question .

        BY the way , You're asking a front loaded question .

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        1. lovetherain profile image80
          lovetherainposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          bombs and guns. do we really need to spend billions on those?

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            ahorsebackposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            Bombs and guns are necessary and cost way less than the  twelve percent or so of our nat.def.  budget , of which most is not actually bombs and guns but things like paychecks and benefits .

            Next ?

            Healthcare doubles our whole budget , keep that in mind.

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          2. wilderness profile image95
            wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            The price of freedom was paid in blood.  In the future it will again be paid in blood.  So yes, we need bombs and guns.

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            1. gmwilliams profile image84
              gmwilliamsposted 5 years agoin reply to this

              So many Americans erroneously contend that health care is a right.  NO, it isn't.  Nothing is free.  Services should be paid for.  What is wrong w/people wanting something for nothing?  It doesn't go that way.  If one doesn't have the money, well too bad, go without!

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              1. JAKE Earthshine profile image66
                JAKE Earthshineposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                Actually, health care is a constitutional right and there is no plan for 'free' healthcare from Dems that I know of, that's just a LIE fox loser channel and hand out queen Sean Hammity invented in their little minds: What Dems will eventually succeed in getting is healthcare for ALL Americans by raising taxes but eliminating current healthcare premiums and deductibles as an offset which will actually save consumers money:

                Guess who just got FREE Stuff in the form of massive troves of cash? Filthy Rich people like weasel Steve Mnuchin that's who, they got it from Bozo Trump's and Russian controlled republican's 'corporate welfare tax cut scam' recently passed which gifted Trillions to Wall Street elites:

                And Bozo Trump is STILL sabotaging your health care system: NICE

                And you thought the working class was gonna get a pay raise once Bozo Trump infiltrated our white house? Well, surprise, all you got was a wimpy 72 year old who sided with Vladimir Putin on national television against our own law enforcement: 

                Why do you think republicans are getting pounded in special elections and why Trump will soon be indicted? Well, this is one reason:

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                1. wilderness profile image95
                  wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  "Actually, health care is a constitutional right"

                  Why do you so consistently post such outright falsehoods?  You know better - why do you then say such things?

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                  1. JAKE Earthshine profile image66
                    JAKE Earthshineposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                    I would urge all to read the constitution, declaration of independence:

                    "Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness" is a well-known phrase in the United States Declaration of Independence:

                    An impossible task without comprehensive health insurance and medical care:

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                  2. Ken Burgess profile image75
                    Ken Burgessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                    What is more disconcerting, is that many believe it with a conviction that borders on extremism, facts be dammed.

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              2. wilderness profile image95
                wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                It's called greed.  Wanting more than you have or can afford.  The left likes to pretend that only the rich exhibit the tendency, but it is very much alive and well in ALL economic classes.

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                1. JAKE Earthshine profile image66
                  JAKE Earthshineposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  Wow, and you falsely accused me of falsehoods?

                  In reality, there are virtually zero similarities between the financial condition of the average working American trying to survive and a greedy Wall Street slob like Steve Mnuchin who believes society owes him another 50 million dollar yacht for doing absolutely nothing, except maybe ripping off a few innocent people here and there:

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                  1. wilderness profile image95
                    wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                    Please quote from my post anything about the financial condition of the rich vs the poor. 

                    The post was about greed, not financial position.

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          3. MizBejabbers profile image88
            MizBejabbersposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            States don't build bombs and guns, and that is where the tax money comes from.

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      2. MizBejabbers profile image88
        MizBejabbersposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        Rearrange how? to get rid of all the big corporate tax breaks or to add more taxes to the already overburdened middle class. Or do you cut out welfare payments to those who don't work? Do you cut money to schools, to children's programs, or to highway and transportation? That is an easy statement to make if you've never worked in state government, especially in the area of budgeting.

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  3. Live to Learn profile image61
    Live to Learnposted 5 years ago

    Should we find a way? Certainly. Can we create an effective single payer system that doesn't result in fraud and poor health care for the masses while bankrupting the nation? Hard to say.

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    ahorsebackposted 5 years ago

    Jake . GREED ?  People who want something without having to pay for something  ex / Free Health care for all .

    Solution ; Get a Job pay your own way .

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    1. gmwilliams profile image84
      gmwilliamsposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      I agree w/ahorseback!   A Liberal is in concurrence w/a Conservative.  I am of the school that if people want service, they ought to PAY.  If people PAID their way, there would be LESS taxes.  Since the *******Great Society programs instituted by LBJ, America has become more parasitic.   My solution to this malaise: cut welfare by 90% & other social programs by 80%-85%.   Let people DO for selves!

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  5. Kenna McHugh profile image93
    Kenna McHughposted 5 years ago

    Affordable health care.

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  6. Glenis Rix profile image95
    Glenis Rixposted 5 years ago

    Excuse me for butting in to this debate, but the provision of healthcare here in the UK is a political hot potato at the moment and it's a subject close to my heart. You might like to think upon how our system is working.

    There is no such thing as 'free' health care. It is paid for by tax deductions taken from wages and salaries through the PAYE (pay as you earn) scheme. Our tax system is progressive - those who earn more pay a higher rate of tax. The basic rate of tax is currently 20% of earned income, after personal allowances of tax free income have been deducted. Healthcare might appear to be free because no money changes hands at the GP surgery or at the hospital.  But the reality is that the health services are only free to those who don't pay tax -  the unemployed and their dependants, or very low earners who don't earn enough to pay tax on their income.

    Well heeled people are free to buy private health insurance, or pay for their care in private hospitals, if they choose to, but they still have to pay into the NHS scheme. Our National Health Service costs vasts sums of money.

    Hospitals are currently struggling to maintain their high levels of service due to inadequate budgets, increased demand, and staff shortages.  Our present 'free' system is fundamentally unsustainable - for complex reasons, including an ageing population that is living longer than previous generations and the very high costs of some procedures and treatments, aftercare, and medicines.

    The government is unable to allocate more funding for health and social care unless it increases taxes and ring fences the increased income for the health budget. But the conservative government is wary about upsetting its supporters by increasing the burden of personal taxation.

    The general population would strongly resist a move to a system of private health care and any political party that put it in their election manifesto would be most unlikely to be elected to government. That said, there is a suspicion that the current government may try to introduce some measures to partly privatise the system.

    The fundamental question is how much a society, and the individuals in the society, values those people who are unable to pay for their health care and social needs. That is usually decided through the ballot box. I suggest to you that the mark of a civilised society is the willingness to care for the needs of those who are unable to care for themselves.

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      ahorsebackposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Excellent points all , Your last paragraph is the greater point of contention in America , we have , as many nations do a growing populace of seekers rather than earners ,  also an aging population and an over using younger generations with families ,   "The mark of a civilized society is its willingness  to care for the needs  ..............." Yet in America we already do the same with public and private entities of charity and  , philanthropic corporations , individuals and government itself.      The USA is a capitalist society ,that of only a free enterprise  that provides a competitive  atmosphere in healthcare , insurance companies and hospitals , for a fee , for profit and for the overall livelihood and health of a constantly changing dynamic .   Our system works well except for the successful lobbying interests in government of  OVER-regulatory health care oversight , extreme pharmaceutical profiteering  , highly regulated hospitals and almost unlimited doctors profiteering ,......a few other issues like exorbitant insurance company costs  and regional  regulations that need desperate changing !  On and on ....however , There are too many , especially younger ,people in American now that are expecting "something for nothing " across the board and have neither paid in long enough to the system or care to engage in society as "paying your own way " or actually working for a living .

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    2. Ken Burgess profile image75
      Ken Burgessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Of course your system is struggling, you have taken in millions of 'refugees' who use your welfare and healthcare system without contributing to it. 

      When you have millions more  to care for that was never anticipated or never contributed you get "inadequate budgets, increased demand, and staff shortages."

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  7. Glenis Rix profile image95
    Glenis Rixposted 5 years ago

    0.24% of the UK population are refugees. 168,978 souls.

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  8. Glenis Rix profile image95
    Glenis Rixposted 5 years ago

    ahorseback, I really don't buy the argument that a significant proportion of young people expect something for nothing. There is less demand for low skilled and unskilled workers nowadays, due partly to computer technology and in part to it now being more competitive to manufacture overseas - largely in the Far East.

    My first job was in a large firm of insurance underwriters - over fifty years ago. The clerical staff occupied two floors of a building. I was engaged  transferring client information from paper files on to cards, in preparation for input to a mainframe computer. This is one example of clerical work that was once done manually by around forty people now probably done by only a few people working on computers.

    Most of the clothing manufacturing industry, which was once a major employer in my part of the country, has now disappeared because many  people want to buy cheap goods made abroad.Similarly, light engineering in the town has declined. There are very few jobs for young people - mostly warehouse work, slinging burgers, or working in a hairdressing salon. I am so glad that I am not young anymore. It's a tough world out there for anyone who has not had higher level education - and even graduates find it difficult to find jobs.

    .Businesses move their manufacturing and call centres to places where they can maximise profits by paying low wages, low rents and low business rates. Consequently, we have ended up with globalisation that is detrimental to the West. So who do we blame and who can rectify the situation by restoring competitiveness in our countries?

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      ahorsebackposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      One market there is a shortage of in America is service sector people ,   maintenance , plumbers , electricians , builders , HVAC  , tech workers , unemployment is very low ,   too many stay in college too long  ,    Young people in America have more opportunity than similar ages thirty ,forty , years ago.  So no , the jobs are here , yet the ambitions not so much .

      The idea of democratic-- socialism is so popular in america at present that THAT is the coming wave of  "needs ,wants and desires ",  free education , free healthcare , minimum guaranteed income ,  free daycare etc.....  I worked my entire life in building trades and every thing I hear today from past worker associates "Nobody wants to show up for work anymore "    ,   same thing from the big box stores  and yards .   

      We used to say "Too many people want to start at the top of the company today ", looking for perks ,   now I fear the ambition  in younger generations is sorely lacking .

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  9. Glenis Rix profile image95
    Glenis Rixposted 5 years ago

    I wonder why lack of ambition is the problem? One thing that has been said here about the free movement of labour within the EU is that young Polish people who have come to Britain are prepared to work very hard - many in the building trades that you mention.

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      ahorsebackposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Here growing up in entitlement home situations ,   I believe, is the downfall or leaves a learning curve problem , Where Central American immigrants and  as you say eastern European ,  Anyone who has experience a life "without " economic opportunity , hunger ,  poverty , is far more motivated to earn to learn.   Of course in America there are those who are taught well that earning your way is the key .   But America's younger generations in general have an expectancy attitude .  " I'm educated so I deserve more ".

      New cars , Trucks ,  seven hundred  dollar smart phones ,  big screen TV's , homeownership at a young age , It's changing here ,the dynamics  are  very fluid I guess .

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      1. MizBejabbers profile image88
        MizBejabbersposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        That is part of the problem, Wilderness, but I've watched our government itself contribute to the problem. For about 20 years the trend in education was to do away with trade schools that trained people to work in the service industry, plumbing, electrical, HVAC, you get the picture. These trade schools were turned into junior colleges to make young people "educated" enough to go get baccalaureate degrees. Many young people are not intellectuals and actually enjoy working with their hands. I heard my boss fuss about this very educational trend and say that one day society would suffer. I think one spinoff of this was to make hard core trade workers desperate for an income turn to making meth (short on Shakespeare but long on chemistry). I could be wrong, but statistically there certainly was an increase in meth labs during this time.

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      2. gmwilliams profile image84
        gmwilliamsposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        It is good to feel that one deserves MORE.  However, one must work to get MORE.   MORE just doesn't fall into one's lap.  If one wants MORE, one had better WORK, WORK IT...………..

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  10. Kathryn L Hill profile image78
    Kathryn L Hillposted 5 years ago

    Health is not a right. Health is a reward for good habits, self mastery and discipline.

    Healthcare is not a right. Healthcare is self-care.

    Healthcare Insurance is not a right. Since when is having insurance for ANYTHING a right.

    You and you alone are responsible for coverage of whatever you need insured. Who will give us free car insurance?

    Yes, we are forced to pay for car insurance.

    And yes, we are (were) forced to pay for human body insurance.


    Just because you can't afford insurance for WHATEVER you need insured, you should be supplied the means to purchase it
    by others
    who are better off than you?

                                                                W H Y ?

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    1. gmwilliams profile image84
      gmwilliamsposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      +In total concurrence!  Nowadays, people feel entitled.  They want FREEBIES whether it is healthcare, education, & other things.  What happened to WORKING & PAYING for housing, education, etc.   People are starting to develop a welfare mentality-gimme, gimme, gimme.....you owe me, you owe me!!
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      1. JAKE Earthshine profile image66
        JAKE Earthshineposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        Sounds just like a perfect description of Wall Street execs who believe they have the right or are 'entitled' to use this country and her workers to rake in trillions without the obligation to pay taxes to help maintain the very same country they just raked over the coals:

        Bozo Trump's / republicans recent corporate welfare tax cut is the greatest wealth transfer scam in modern history, it did absolutely nothing for the worker or senior citizen and that's a crime: If we can afford to give filthy rich greedy weirdo Steve Mnuchin another mansion or two, we can surely afford healthcare for all:

        And by the way, the fox loser channel talking point of 'free' healthcare is just another LIE they spew daily just like 'open borders' etc:

        In reality, healthcare for all would require an increase in taxes to pay for the program but current healthcare premiums and deductibles would be eliminated as an offset to that expense: So whenever anyone says 'free' healthcare that person is either uninformed which is expected if he or she is a fox loser channel viewer or, he or she is just propagating a ridiculous made up falsehood: That's reality:

        Precious Melania Trump just had surgery, I'll bet she had health insurance to cover the major expense, just like I'm sure Lord Barron has health insurance, weirdo Steve Mnuchin and all of Bozo Trump's corrupt little cronies are certainly covered but not your children: NICE country in serious decline we live in:

        Bozo Trump sabotaging our healthcare system, trying desperately to burn up your children's health insurance policies, just one of an infinite number of reasons why women and independents are dumping him by the droves and Dems are WINNING in special elections:

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    2. wilderness profile image95
      wildernessposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      From each according to their ability, to each according to their need. 

      What others have actually belongs to you if you think you "need" it more than the owner does.

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    ahorsebackposted 5 years ago

    https://hubstatic.com/14163039.jpg

    Easy boys think happy thoughts , then  rewrite a real Trumpism .

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    1. Wesman Todd Shaw profile image80
      Wesman Todd Shawposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Randy is too modest to advertise his fashionable men's shoes online. But I like them, and I know they fit Randy very well. smile

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      1. Randy Godwin profile image59
        Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        At least I held a job, unlike you guys! tongue

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          ahorsebackposted 5 years agoin reply to this

          That's the difference , Some people" Held" a job and others worked them until the end .

          This is way to easy Wesman .

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          1. Wesman Todd Shaw profile image80
            Wesman Todd Shawposted 5 years agoin reply to this

            Yeah. I don't actually believe it when someone says they've had a job when they make a point of spending a lot of time fantasizing about how to spend other people's money, like the modern Democrats do. I guess busboy at the nearest greasy spoon is technically a job though.

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              ahorsebackposted 5 years agoin reply to this

              I was just trying to remember ,  I know a few alt-left democrats and am trying to place one of them with what they do for a living ? .............

              Nooo, I can't seem to do it. Sorry .

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              1. Wesman Todd Shaw profile image80
                Wesman Todd Shawposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                Antifa baby sitters? It's a new children's club, I hear.

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                  ahorsebackposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  Oh yea the MASKED ones complaining because the arrested  names were released by the arresting cops .
                  Those poor children !

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                    ahorsebackposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                    They'll probably never even attain a decent government entitlement with an arrest record .
                    They could care less about a job , they get to protest and everything ............so cool.

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            2. Randy Godwin profile image59
              Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this

              I don't believe you've ever had a job doing anything as you seem to be ashamed of telling anyone about it. I don't blame you if you're getting a disability check though. Makes sense...

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              1. Wesman Todd Shaw profile image80
                Wesman Todd Shawposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                Well your time is accounted for. What you do all with your life is easy to see. What I do with mine, isn't the business of a clown.

                When you aren't wearing a big red nose and making balloons for terrified children at parties, you are on the web doing your second clown routine.

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                1. Randy Godwin profile image59
                  Randy Godwinposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                  I see why you feel so ashamed of what you contribute to the economy.  I've always held down two jobs with one of them being a full time farmer and the others a professional musician and building contractor among other jobs I've been successful at.

                  You're more than likely getting a govt. check or living off your parents.. I suspect the latter....

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                  1. Wesman Todd Shaw profile image80
                    Wesman Todd Shawposted 5 years agoin reply to this

                    So you work two jobs at night? I didn't know farmers worked at night. For the 8 years I've been looking at Hubpages, you've spent all day of every day you were allowed right here in the forums with a big red clown nose and goofy shoes on.

                    So you've either not slept in 8 years (which would make sense, considering the depth of your commentary) or you are fond of lying.

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    ahorsebackposted 5 years ago

    So all of a sudden liberals actually recognize and have standards for people getting a disability check or living off their parents ?

    Flip  -flop -flip flop.............?

    Now you guys are really confusing me .

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    ahorsebackposted 5 years ago

    So all of a sudden liberals actually recognize and have standards of shame for people getting a disability check or living off their parents ?

    Flip  -flop -flip flop.............?

    Now you guys are really confusing me .

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