Antifa now protesting Biden

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Readmikenowposted 3 years ago
I thought Antifa hated President Donld Trump. Seems they don't like Biden either.

“WHAT HAPPENED?
Violent protesters, who were reportedly associated with Antifa, marched down the streets of Portland’s Pearl District smashing cars and vandalizing businesses.

WHY WERE THEY PROTESTING?
The pre-planned violence came in response to immigration policy being enacted under Biden, KOIN reported, specifically the reopening of a detention center for unaccompanied migrant children.
The facility — located in Carrizo Springs, Texas — is capable of housing hundreds of children, and was the site of controversy under former President Donald Trump.
The Biden administration said reopening the facility was necessary because of a spike in border crossings and coronavirus-related restrictions meant other government facilities designed to house migrant children have lower-than-normal capacity limits.
Reopening the facility earned Biden condemnation from immigration activists.”

https://clarion.causeaction.com/2021/02 … usinesses/
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  Live to Learnposted 3 years agoin reply to this
  Well, you have to respect the fact that they aren't hypocritical or two faced. They protest left or right for not aligning with their principles.
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  Sharlee01posted 3 years agoin reply to this
  I guess Biden may be learning when it rains it pours... Wonder how far these protesters will take this. Maybe we will have another peaceful summer of love. You know with millions of dollars of damage, multiple law enforcement injuries, and maybe even a few deaths. One thing, as a rule, the Dems turn the other way, so it will be interesting to see what Biden will do. I had not heard of these latest Portland protests. Seems the media is doing their job. LOL
  
  found a bit of footage. Not easy had to search for local footage. I noted the local media did not mention any specific group, just that they were dressed in all black.
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0RT9jpJwlI
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  GA Andersonposted 3 years agoin reply to this
  Just to stir the pot; can we be sure these protestors were Antifa?
  
  If you look at :48 of the video it sure looks like more of those ZipTie handcuffs hanging from that marcher's waist. Wasn't that also seen at the Capitol insurrection?
  
  Maybe they were Trump supporters, or maybe the Capitol guy was Antifa? Hmm . . .
  
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  Sharlee01posted 3 years agoin reply to this
  I never actually identified the group that protested, I quoted what the media said in regards to them wearing black. I was very careful not to name the group. I have no idea who these protesters were. was very careful and said --- "Not easy had to search for local footage. I noted the local media did not mention any specific group, just that they were dressed in all black."
  
  I have no way of knowing who was at any given protest. I will say over the past summer there were articles that identified some of the protesters and what groups they were affiliated with.
  
  Perhaps someday we will be made aware of thugs that attacked the Capitol. I would think it may have been was far-right. t seemed very well planned, whoever they were they blended in well with peaceful Trump supporters. But who knows... It certainly worked to get rid of Trump. And who wanted him gone? The Capitol riot has all the needed innuendos for a good conspiracy.
  
  One thing I can say for the protesters in Portland they sure have the stamina and are in it for the long run.
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  GA Andersonposted 3 years agoin reply to this
  Take a breath Sharlee. I wasn't criticizing what you said. I only referenced your link to stir the pot.
  
  You know, some are saying this Antifa thing is really an Illuminatti operation.
  
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  PrettyPantherposted 3 years agoin reply to this
  A church burned down yesterday in my little town of 5000. Guess who did it? Antifa!
  
  No, actually it was two boys, aged 10 and 11.
  
  Remember the horrible wildfires all over Oregon and California last summer? Antifa!
  
  No, not really, but it was all over social media for awhile.
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  GA Andersonposted 3 years agoin reply to this
  Hmm . . . I thought that I saw those wildfires were from Illuminatti satellite lasers. I guess the Antifa connection makes sense then.
  
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  Sharlee01posted 3 years agoin reply to this
  Took no offense. Just reiterated my thoughts. It is very evident that some here do scurry to my comments, and often misconstrue them. Very much want to clarify I made no mention of Antifa or any group... Some take a comment and view it as a coded message, just adding whatever meaning they choose to believe. If I wanted to make mention of Antifa I would, in this conversation I was more disturbed by the lack of some of our society not addressing the fact we had and are still having some very destructive riots in Portland. I really don't care who is out there committing crimes, it disturbs me some in our society can bury their heads in the sand ignoring the damage these protesters are doing to a city. My comments were geared to discuss that subject. I think my comments come off too straightforward and can leave one to intrepid them wrongly or they just don't appreciate my opinion due to it clashing with their own. So, no I did not think you were criticizing my opinion. If I felt you were I would have come back at you with hair flying. LOL
  
  If you want my true opinion on the various protesters, I would say it a bunch of 20 some year olds with nothing to do. Otherwise, my common sense tells me they would not have the time to be out in the streets vandalizing. Sort of hard to get up in the morning to head off to work if you were out the night before vandalizing. I don't think that Antifa is connected to the Illuminatti, they just do not appear to be an Enlightened secret society. Antifa seems to be a loosely organized social media group.
  
  Now the Capitol, I think that was another story, a much scarier one... A group or groups that have prayed for that very day to come. Well organized, and dangerous. Some arrested were from Michigan. We have a militia that has been around for decades. When they come out they as a rule are armed with guns, a while back they took over our Capitol building. They remained peaceful, but are a very menacing organization. I believe a couple of them were arrested due to participating in the Capitol attack.
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  wildernessposted 3 years agoin reply to this
  "t seemed very well planned, whoever they were they blended in well with peaceful Trump supporters."
  
  I can't agree with this. There seemed to be almost NO planning - they were not equipped to break the windows or open the doors. They didn't know where the offices were or where the counting was happening. The entire interior seemed to be a mystery. They mostly seemed to be there for a lark - not for any specific task.
  
  It looked much more like the only planning was for a handful to incite the rest to riot.
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  lovetherainposted 3 years agoin reply to this
  They are letting those Pigs destroy Portland. Why?
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Kenna McHughposted 3 years ago
This is only one of the few issues people have with Biden.
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Valeantposted 3 years ago
Everyone who holds a protest is Antifa to the right.

Glad arrests were made if there was destruction.

Claiming the violence was pre-planned is a bit of a stretch considering that windows got smashed after the police presence showed up and confronted them.
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PrettyPantherposted 3 years ago
Just thought you might want to see how it was reported locally.

https://www.oregonlive.com/portland/202 … unday.html

No mention of Antifa. Three businesses vandalized. 150 protestors. Two arrested, one a 17-year-old boy returned to his parents.

When I googled it, multiple headlines from right-wing websites were the top results. The funniest was "Violent Antifa protests rage across Portlad" or something to that effect.

I live in Oregon and my best friend (the one who was scooped up by police for the crime of standing with a sign) lives in Portland. It's really sad how far these "news" sites will go to get clicks from their readers eager to read about scary liberals.
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Readmikenowposted 3 years ago
I'm shocked that too many people are just accepting this wanton destruction of private property and businesses. Their political message gets ignored when this happens. They just look like a bunch of criminals looking for a reason to destroy things.
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  PrettyPantherposted 3 years agoin reply to this
  Who is accepting it?
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  wildernessposted 3 years agoin reply to this
  When one out of 150 people is under arrest, somebody is ignoring it, wouldn't you say?
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  PrettyPantherposted 3 years agoin reply to this
  Lol, maybe the two who were picked up were the ones caught damaging property. That would be the logical explanation. You can't arrest someone for simply protesting.
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  wildernessposted 3 years agoin reply to this
  Just me, but 2 out of 150 (one a child) doesn't sound very logical. Nor was it last summer, when it was ignored then, too.
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  PrettyPantherposted 3 years agoin reply to this
  You seem to be assuming all 150 committed a crime.
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  wildernessposted 3 years agoin reply to this
  About as much as you are assuming that a single person (plus a child) did it all.
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  PrettyPantherposted 3 years agoin reply to this
  I'm assuming they were the ones caught doing it. How utterly crazy, right?
  
  Geez, Loueez.
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  wildernessposted 3 years agoin reply to this
  LOL You wish to declare what others think, expect them to do it for you.
  
  As a matter of (reported) fact, Portland police were busy in the rest of the city; too busy to take care of the riot. Same excuse they used last summer.
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  PrettyPantherposted 3 years agoin reply to this
  Okay, so what?
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  Sharlee01posted 3 years agoin reply to this
  Watch the local footage. One can see very few police even showed up. Just let these protesters run loose. Thankfully these peaceful protesters stay on mainly in Portland. It looks like Portland is a war zone or what Trump called a true S----- hole.
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0RT9jpJwlI
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFz0MkYAp-c
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  wildernessposted 3 years agoin reply to this
  Glad I don't live there.
  
  I know people that do, though, and he explains that there are no riots. Even that last years rioting was very, very small.
  
  Head in the sand.
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  PrettyPantherposted 3 years agoin reply to this
  Or, perhaps your news sources are exaggerating. Like the many headlines I saw regarding the incident discussed here..
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  wildernessposted 3 years agoin reply to this
  Of course; if you don't like what is shown it is fake. Got it.
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  PrettyPantherposted 3 years agoin reply to this
  I trust The Oregonian newspaper, in Portland, to more accurately report what is happening in Portland.
  
  Yeah, I know, that's crazy!
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  wildernessposted 3 years agoin reply to this
  1. Is it politically palatable for that paper to report honestly when things are going bad for liberals?
  
  2. Who are the readers (liberal/conservative) and what do they want to hear?
  
  I would agree with you were it a small town paper (if there are any left!). I used to trust my local TV news in little old Boise, but as the city grows and changes it is becoming more and more liberal. Leaving out what liberals don't like, putting in and emphasizing what they do.
  
  So, for me and IMO, even large cities are joining the political parade of telling us what will buy them readers/viewers rather that all of it. Just my opinion, for I certainly have not checked big city local news.
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  Sharlee01posted 3 years agoin reply to this
  I am no sure if the protests are kept in a small area. I only see what has been posted on youtube or media. Looks like a lot of destruction.
  
  I was talking about people in general, a segment of society that seems to be able to ignore the destruction. It would seem you know people in the area that claim it's not all that bad. Who to believe my eyes or people that live in the areas this is going on? The footage does show lots of damage, and this clip was from local news. Looked like lots of damage, as did the summer footage.
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  Sharlee01posted 3 years agoin reply to this
  I have come to realize that in some cases if the protest does not personally affect them think they don't consider the hardships others are living through due to having their businesses and property vandalized. And their neighborhoods become pretty scary places. Hard to figure out this kind of mentality. But many have come to be able to justify these destructive protests.
  
  And yes the political message does get ignored.
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  PrettyPantherposted 3 years agoin reply to this
  I would like you to point out where anyone in these forums said they support people who damage businesses or property of any kind? I would like to know who has "come to be able to justify these destructive protests" as you say "many" have done?
  
  For the record, I don't agree with the message of the group of 150 people being discussed in this thread.
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  Sharlee01posted 3 years agoin reply to this
  "I would like you to point out where anyone in these forums said they support people who damage businesses or property of any kind? "
  
  Did I say anyone in this forum said they supported people who damage businesses or property of any kind?
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  PrettyPantherposted 3 years agoin reply to this
  Okay, then, who were you referring to?
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  Sharlee01posted 3 years agoin reply to this
  Which one of my comments are you even referring to? It would help if I was aware of where you got the opinion I was specifically pointing someone out. Words and context would be helpful.
  
  I have reread my comments most of them were very general conversations directly responding to another comment.
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  PrettyPantherposted 3 years agoin reply to this
  I have come to realize that in some cases if the protest does not personally affect them think they don't consider the hardships others are living through due to having their businesses and property vandalized. And their neighborhoods become pretty scary places. Hard to figure out this kind of mentality. But many have come to be able to justify these destructive protests.
  
  And yes the political message does get ignored.
  
  ]https://hubpages.com/politics/forum/35 … ost4177329
  
  Just wondering who these many people are. They sound very callous.
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  tsmogposted 3 years agoin reply to this
  The link needs to be reformated as it goes nowhere now. Just a heads up.
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  Sharlee01posted 3 years agoin reply to this
  I used the words in some cases as a general description. The entire comment was a general analysis that I formed over many months of reports that depict Portland protests that as a rule left damage to the city. For example, some in the media have called the protests peaceful. I have noted interviews with citizens that live in Portland, and they felt they were something they could support. Persons I have come across in general have expressed the summer protests were peaceful. Just offered a general opinion.
  
  An opinion I came by from watching videos of the protests showing the riot footage and the destruction that is visible, reading articles that gave damage cost, injuries, deaths, etc... I also posted two videos of the recent protest we are discussing on this thread. The videos were from local Portland network news that showed the damage as it was being committed live. One video tells of people being in a restaurant when windows were being broken and they had to take cover. Did you watch the clips? IMO It would be very hard for me to call them anything but a destructive riot, that left many buildings damaged.
  
  I don't as a rule agree with or care for your opinion, I don't question it. I look at it as your right. In this case, mine is very clearly offered in my comment, and ya got what ya got.
  
  The link failed
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  PrettyPantherposted 3 years agoin reply to this
  So, it was a sweeping indictment of "many" people who you cannot identify.
  
  My friend who lives in Portland supported the George Floyd protests but did not support the rioters who moved in after curfew to cause trouble. I suspect that is the position of the "many" you reference.
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  Sharlee01posted 3 years agoin reply to this
  You select a few words and ran with them... The most important words in my comment would be "in some cases". This added well-needed context to ensure I did not blanket all into my opinion or point a finger at any one person or demographic.
  
  I did not point to any person or demographic purposely not to insult anyone that would read the comment here on HP's. You need to try to look for context in any given comment. Is the comment offering a general opinion, is it pointing a finger at one person or group by making actual mention of a person or group.
  
  In the case of discussing the ongoing protest. It is apparently one would need to make many generalizations to discuss these protests to offer a given opinion. My comment, the one you question was a relevant general reply to Mike on the subject at hand. It was appropriate to our one on one conversation.
  
  I have tried to be polite, but at this point, I don't feel in any respect I need to explain mine any further to you.
  
  I can see we have differing opinions and I will agree to disagree.
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  PrettyPantherposted 3 years agoin reply to this
  It is my opinion that you either do not like to own your own statements or you do not choose your words well. In any case, I was responding to your entire comment, I understood the context, as I did take the time to read the entire thread more than once.
  
  It is my opinion that you simply dislike being challenged. Sorry about that but not really my problem. I challenge others here in a similar manner and they don't try to deflect to blaming me for simply asking them to clarify what they mean or for disagreeing with something they said. Others challenge me the same way and I either respond or not, but I certainly do not get huffy about it.
  
  All I did was ask who your vague "many" was referring to, then offered my perspective on it, something I do all the time with other people without issue.
  
  Please be aware that if you respond with a multi-paragraph, defensive diatribe complete with repetitive quotes and multiple references to context, I will simply reply wirh "Okay."
  
  P.S. For the thousandth time, there is no such thing as a one-on-one conversation in a public forum, as evidenced by, for example, wilderness jumping in to answer a question I posed to Mike. Not a problem for any of the rest of us, just you. As usual.
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  Valeantposted 3 years agoin reply to this
  Sure it's only the thousandth?
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  Sharlee01posted 3 years agoin reply to this
  I fully own any comment I make. As I have done with the one you have pointed out.
  
  Your comment --- "I would like you to point out where anyone in these forums said they support people who damage businesses or property of any kind? "
  
  My reply ---"Did I say anyone in this forum said they supported people who damage businesses or property of any kind?"
  
  You did not answer that question... Did you? You asked who I was referring to. I told you it was a general statement, not pointing to anyone or any demographic. I did not "blame you for anything".
  
  I pointed out the words I used "In some cases", a general term. You go on and on... I try to be polite, I pointed out where I was coming from.
  
  I have no problem being challenged when the challenge makes sense. I think some here could attest to that. Your challenges as a rule made no sense, what so ever. Others may have more patience. I did make every attempt to explain my view, anyone who reads this thread can see that. I don't get huffy, I am straight forward, direct, it is part of my personality. I am sure others here have their own unique way of communicating I don't question that.
  
  My lengthy paragraphs are well thought out, and most often to be polite, not in any way do I feel I need to defend my comments. If you have not noted some here on HPs do give more lengthy replies. I have very little problem communicating with most here and enjoy the back and forth. I respect other's views, even if I don't always agree.
  
  And it is clear you may not chat on other forums, one- on - ones are very common. And I don't mind anyone jumping into a one-on-one. But, it is nice to see that they took the time to read the one-on-one conversation, and did not just come in with and take the conversation well out of context.
  
  And I certainly jump in myself. But, I stay on subject, and context to the conversation I entered into.
  
  I will admit and have before, I prefer not to communicate with you, just being very honest. However, I have tried to be polite and not completely ignored you when you addressed me.
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  PrettyPantherposted 3 years agoin reply to this
  Okay.
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RJ Schwartzposted 3 years ago
A terrorist group is still a terrorist group, regardless who is in office.
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