First, I want to say that I totally support peaceful protests. I'm also sure that many of the Wall Street protesters have a clear purpose as to their reasons for protesting. It's obvious, however, that some are just there to be part of a protest, in general. I'm sure there are some like this in every protest group. These are some of the responses from the protesters, when asked what they were protesting:
What are you protesting?
- Whitey is trying to take over the world and get rid of all the other races.
- The government is sneaking poisons into our foods.
- I'm protesting all the money we send to Israel.
- The Jews are taking over the U.S. They control all the money.
- The government is changing our genetics. I have 2 children, and one has good hair, but the other one doesn't. That's genetic, man. There's no way that could happen if our genetics hadn't been messed with.
I'm not saying there isn't a grain of truth to some of these assertions. I'm just saying that they're not all there to protest corporate greed. BTW, I love the last example I provided!
I don't understand how these people manage to lift spoon to mouth to feed themselves; they obviously don't have two brain cells to rub together.
You're right - that last one is a doozy
Change is coming.
http://www.veteranstoday.com/2011/10/05 … les-world/
This didn't help the bankers either
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/01/1 … y-families
http://www.clarkhoward.com/news/clark-h … res/nCgbY/
Any protest for anything will draw people with other ideologies or fears, and when approached by someone willing to listen, then they are more than happy to open mouth and insert foot, just because they have been noticed.
This is just an example of the divide and willful ignorance going on in this country.
Good point but if we don"t try, what ? Do nothing?
Contact your congressman. Start a political party. Start a bank. Write to your newspaper. Write a hub on it. Look for others with similar complaints and discuss.
Lots of things to try, and none of them require you shut down other peoples activities or destroy property.
If that stuff worked they wouldn't be there.
Actually, I seriously doubt that any of them have done any of that except perhaps for the 2 or 3 organizers. Let each protester write their congressman instead of rioting and let each of them push other people to do the same and you just might get something done.
I like what you say -- "might" get something done. Highly unlikely. Politicans normally ignore citizens when something needs to be done, especially if it's an issue with the corporations. Who supports the politicans in power? It doesn't take a brain sturgeon to figure ths at one out.
And it is ok for the Tea Party have it's protest and not the left-wingers? Where is your democracy now?
Better yet start your own currency, and back it 100% with gold and silver.
Problem is, that will probably get you in far, far more trouble than waving a placard outside a bank.
And, how often have you seen a protest accomplish anything positive? I've seen protests turn really bad and many people end up getting hurt. Not to mention, when those who protest are protesting specific things, such as abortion- then it simply skews individual rights.
Get a bunch of people opposed to abortion and then all of a sudden, new laws are created to diminish/take away rights.
Get a bunch of people opposed to whatever and then all of a sudden something changes and then oppression starts.
I understand the problem on Wall Street better than most. However, what many people do not realize is that there's a better way to handle things and it's about time people woke up to the fact that if they want specific things in their life then they need to do more to get them.
The people on Wall Street are in it for the money, that's what Wall Street was made for......to make money from the Global Markets. If more people were better educated and had a little initiative to better themselves, then this entire point would be moot.
Did you not read this statement in my post or just overlook it on purpose?
No I read it the first time. Very Vague. Post a way for the people to correct this and disburse.Yes they are in it for the money, but buying our reps to pave the way for more raping of the declining middle class shouldn't be tolerated
Then apparently you didn't understand it.
If I have to explain the simple words I conveyed, then I would suggest you go get educated.
I did. To get educated and have a little initiative to better themselves. If I explain that in any other manner, then people are going to tell me that I don't know what is in their best interests and it's not my place to tell them that I know what's best for them, which isn't my intention to begin with. But, the appearance will be there for all to see.
Those who refuse to continue learning, then choose ignorance. Those who choose or refuse to better themselves, are either choosing ignorance or are just completely lost in understanding their own life.
Either way, it's not like they would listen.
MORE government regulation isn't the option either. MORE Laws are NOT the option either.
The only way to prevent them from "more raping of the declining middle class" is to better educate people and get them to understand their own life.
Nice try on the condescending part. It still seems you have no answer but to Get Educated,how does education help with inflation caused by unregulated commodities,bailouts of entities that should be auctioning off their furniture to pay creditors,but instead our tax money bailed them out?Glass Steagall seemed to be working fine until they gutted it then Phill Gramm got a sweetheart job with UBS after his political career was over. We wont mention the Government Sachs revolving door with the US government either. The AIG bailout was so they could pay Goldman Sachs? who then took our money on top of it.Maybe you missed these two
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/01/1 … y-families
http://www.clarkhoward.com/news/clark-h … res/nCgbY/
If you can't screw over your veterans who can you screw?
Nice job and your answer is to get educated and grab your ankles but smile while doing so.
As far as this one
"The only way to prevent them from "more raping of the declining middle class" is to better educate people and get them to understand their own life." Not everyone is born with the same ability,whether they are applying themselves fully or they aren't capable but who's to judge,you?
It wasn't meant to be condescending, but that's how you took. Color me oh so surprised.
First off, by the government not bailing them out in first place. There's no such thing as "TOO BIG TO FAIL" or do you think there is?
Education helps reduce inflation if people actually do work(either employed or self-employed).
What's your point? These are just two people doing a job.
Sure why not mention it? Did it receive money and it shouldn't have? Probably. It's part and parcel of what I have been calling "status quo = corporate protectionism".
Again, "too big to fail" BS. So please.
The fact that veterans are getting screwed is government's fault there's no doubt about that. It spends money improperly. This is common knowledge.
Willful ignorance among citizens is the problem and it stems from education(lack of).
True enough, however there are more born with the capability than not. To think that more people are born with less ability than the average person is utterly ridiculous.
The protests are serving as a catalyst to raise awareness and "wake people up."
Think Occupy Wall St is a Phase? You Don't Get it
Wake people to what? That evil govt is changing our genetics and making bad hair as the one protester said?
If they were in touch with reality, they would be in Washington. The banks and other financial institutions will only do what the laws passed by Congress will let them. Yeah,yeah, I know some go beyond that, but for the most part it is true. The reason they are on Wall Street is that most if not all voted for Obama and the Dems, so they are not willing to admit the error of their ways so they go to Wall Street knowing that they will get on TV. Then they can text their buddies and tell them what a great protester they are and they are justified in their actions because they have been on TV.
If your government ran your country that might be true - your owners operate through Wall street. Just because you don't undestand how others have the guts to stand up and do something about all the things that everyone has been griping about, there is no need to try to reduce what these protesters are doing by repeating the drivel from your owner's media.
Some people really have no clue, IMO.
Was it gvt policy? Yes...starting with Reagan, and going from there.
The one Dem who tried to lessen the pain, well you see what happened to him: years and years of going after him, resulting in being impeached for cheating on his wife and lying about it.
And which party tries to put some rules and regs on the Greed-Mongers, and which party fights it tooth and nail?
Now you have seen the huge psy-op done on Obama.....Gee, wonder why?
Politicians: Get with the American people, or get lost.
Wall Street has NO loyalty to the people....of ANY country, let alone the USA.
And any pol who has no loyalty to the citizens who pay them can gtfo.
And any citizen who supports these pols.....stop calling yourselves "patriots".
These young people are the patriots...and they see the REAL problems!
Awesome Manifesto!
I understand. You don't get it. It makes you feel uncomfortable.
Don't worry, you can carry on with your life as usual.
First official statement from Occupy Wall Street Movement
This was unanimously voted on by all members of Occupy Wall Street last night, around 8pm, Sept 29. It is our first official document for release. We have three more underway, that will likely be released in the upcoming days: 1) A declaration of demands. 2) Principles of Solidarity 3) Documentation on how to form your own Direct Democracy Occupation Group. This is a living document. you can receive an official press copy of the latest version by emailing c2anycga@gmail.com.
Declaration of the Occupation of New York City
As we gather together in solidarity to express a feeling of mass injustice, we must not lose sight of what brought us together. We write so that all people who feel wronged by the corporate forces of the world can know that we are your allies.
As one people, united, we acknowledge the reality: that the future of the human race requires the cooperation of its members; that our system must protect our rights, and upon corruption of that system, it is up to the individuals to protect their own rights, and those of their neighbors; that a democratic government derives its just power from the people, but corporations do not seek consent to extract wealth from the people and the Earth; and that no true democracy is attainable when the process is determined by economic power. We come to you at a time when corporations, which place profit over people, self-interest over justice, and oppression over equality, run our governments. We have peaceably assembled here, as is our right, to let these facts be known.
They have taken our houses through an illegal foreclosure process, despite not having the original mortgage.
They have taken bailouts from taxpayers with impunity, and continue to give Executives exorbitant bonuses.
They have perpetuated inequality and discrimination in the workplace based on age, the color of one’s skin, sex, gender identity and sexual orientation.
They have poisoned the food supply through negligence, and undermined the farming system through monopolization.
They have profited off of the torture, confinement, and cruel treatment of countless nonhuman animals, and actively hide these practices.
They have continuously sought to strip employees of the right to negotiate for better pay and safer working conditions.
They have held students hostage with tens of thousands of dollars of debt on education, which is itself a human right.
They have consistently outsourced labor and used that outsourcing as leverage to cut workers’ healthcare and pay.
They have influenced the courts to achieve the same rights as people, with none of the culpability or responsibility.
They have spent millions of dollars on legal teams that look for ways to get them out of contracts in regards to health insurance.
They have sold our privacy as a commodity.
They have used the military and police force to prevent freedom of the press.
They have deliberately declined to recall faulty products endangering lives in pursuit of profit.
They determine economic policy, despite the catastrophic failures their policies have produced and continue to produce.
They have donated large sums of money to politicians supposed to be regulating them.
They continue to block alternate forms of energy to keep us dependent on oil.
They continue to block generic forms of medicine that could save people’s lives in order to protect investments that have already turned a substantive profit.
They have purposely covered up oil spills, accidents, faulty bookkeeping, and inactive ingredients in pursuit of profit.
They purposefully keep people misinformed and fearful through their control of the media.
They have accepted private contracts to murder prisoners even when presented with serious doubts about their guilt.
They have perpetuated colonialism at home and abroad.
They have participated in the torture and murder of innocent civilians overseas.
They continue to create weapons of mass destruction in order to receive government contracts.*
To the people of the world,
We, the New York City General Assembly occupying Wall Street in Liberty Square, urge you to assert your power.
Exercise your right to peaceably assemble; occupy public space; create a process to address the problems we face, and generate solutions accessible to everyone.
To all communities that take action and form groups in the spirit of direct democracy, we offer support, documentation, and all of the resources at our disposal.
Join us and make your voices heard!
Your my New Best Friend!I've been saying these folks would get organised and it's about time.
There is one point I'd like to make however,Direct Democracy did not work in Athens two plus centuries ago and it wont work now.Plato changed his mind about it and wrote"The Republic"which was the model America was founded upon.We were,and hopefully still are,the Beacon of hope for the world as a Republic,a just republic,for some two hundred years.That worked beautifully with adjustments made through amendments.We need to get back to the system that worked...not direct democracy which precipitates chaos and anarchy.imho.
I agree. I see this movement as a catalyst to generate involvement from those who have remained silent for a very long time. I think many people hoped Obama would be the catalyst for change, and have realized he can't be without a major transformation of our system. It remains to be seen how or if that transformation will occur.
It is high time the 99% woke up.
We've got them outnumbered 99:1.
And we have our Second Amendment rights, too!
Next thing we do let's kill all the bankers!!!
(sorry, getting a little silly here).
Good statement from the protesters.
I also believe that if a person wants greater, they must attempt greater things.
Truly, education is a cornerstone of being able to live better. Sadly, this is one of the places the U.S. is lagging behind. Not only in promoting those who teach, but falling way short in demonstrating the value of education.
Too many young people have the 'handout mentality', but where do you think they get it from? Dunk a basketball and we'll pay you several million a year. Put out a sex tape of yourself and get your own reality show. Get elected not because you stand for something, but because you've already sold your votes on the house or senete floor for the next few years. These are the people we support with our choices. And by 'we', I mean all of us that complain about the way things are or how much better they used to be. We're all a part of this and if it's going to change its going to take all of us to get it done. Meanwhile those who don't want the change try to create just the right amount of civil war so that we don't stand as one nation.
About time people woke up. This is the 11th hour of the last day to change anything. Soon you (we) will all be barcoded and bound up by so many laws and loss of free speech that any resistance will be futile. THEY predict this, not me, with their private prisons ready to take double the current prison population, new bills of 'human rights' that are designed to remove rights etc etc. THEY have removed so much money from the lower parts of society that most are enslaved to the bank through credit card and mortgage. In a collapsing economy the only way out for THEM is globalisation and perpetual war.
99% - it is time to wake up.
The People are awake? Damn you guys took a long time.
I DID MY TIME, and I want out!
So abusive FAITH!
It doesn't cut, this soul is not so vibrant.
The reckoning, the sickening.
Back at your subversion.
Psuedo-sacred sick before dawn.
Go to your deserts, go dig your graves!
Then fill your mouth with all the money you will save.
Sinking in, getting smaller again.
I'm done! It has begun, I'm not the only one!
And the reign will kill us all.
Throw ourselves against the wall.
But no-one else can see.
The preservation of the martyr in me.
Psychosocial, Psychosocial, Psychosocial.
Psychosocial, Psychosocial, Psychosocial.
oooO
There are cracks in the road we lay.
But we're the devil filth, the secret death gone mad.
This is nothing new, but would we kill it all?
The hate was all we had!
Who needs another mess, we could start over.
Just look me in the eyes and say I'm wrong!
Now there's only emptiness, burn elicit self threat.
I think we're done, I'm not the only one!
And the reign will kill us all.
Throw ourselves against the wall.
But no-one else can see.
The preservation of the martyr in me.
Psychosocial, Psychosocial, Psychosocial.
Psychosocial, Psychosocial, Psychosocial.
Fate! Cannot catch this lie, (Psychosocial)
I've tried to tell you thrice! (Psychosocial)
Your hurtful lies are giving out. (Psychosocial)
Can't stop the killing, I can't help it. (Psychosocial)
If it's something secret. (Psychosocial)
Is this what you want? (Psychosocial)
I'm not the only one!
And the reign will kill us all.
Throw ourselves against the wall.
But no-one else can see.
The preservation of the martyr in me.
And the reign will kill us all.
Throw ourselves against the wall.
But no-one else can see.
The preservation of the martyr in me.
SLIPKNOT
One more just to make it clear!
The movie ran through me
The glamour subdued me
The tabloid untied me
I'm empty please fill me
Mister anchor assure me
That Baghdad is burning
Your voice it is so soothing
That cunning mantra of killing
I need you my witness
To dress this up so bloodless
To numb me and purge me now
Of thoughts of blaming you
Yes the car is our wheelchair
My witness your coughing
Oily silence mocks the legless boys
Who travel now in coffins
On the corner
The jury's sleepless
We found your weakness
And it's right outside your door
Now testify
Now testify
It's right outside your door
Now testify
Yes testify
Its right outside your door
With precision you feed me
My witness I'm hungry
Your temple it calms me
So I can carry on
My slaving sweating the skin right off my bones
On a bed of fire I'm choking on the smoke that fills my home
The wrecking ball is rushing
Witness your blushing
The pipeline is gushing
While here we lie in tombs
While on the corner
The jury's sleepless
We found your weakness
And it's right outside your door
Now testify
Yeah testify
It's right outside your door
Now testify
Now testify
It's right outside your door
Mass graves for the pump and the price is set
And the price is set
Mass graves for the pump and the price is set
And the price is set
Mass graves for the pump and the price is set
And the price is set
Mass graves for the pump and the price is set
And the price is set
Who controls the past now controls the future
Who controls the present now controls the past
Who controls the past now controls the future
Who controls the present now?
Now testify
Testify
It's right outside your door
Now testify
Testify
It's right outside your door
Rage Against The Machine
Millenia, perhaps?
Gotta respect those brain sturgeons. After they finish with their carping and floundering around, they'll be singing a different tune. In bass, of course.
@wilderness - I appreciated your reference to the OP, even if it was otherwise overlooked or ignored.
Oops,Well,two hundred,two thousand,at my age time doesn't matter anymore.I mean,I'm pretty sure I sat behind Plato in the third grade...or was that Socrates?Hmmm,those Greek Philosophers all looked alike to me...
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