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   ptosisposted 6 years ago

   On a scale of 1 - 10, with 1 being OK and 10  being largest YUCK gut reaction - how do you feel about this story? (BTW, my vote = 10 - major yuck)
   
   A pig embryo at four weeks, which had been injected with human stem cells. Credit Salk Institute
   
   
   
   The feasibility of trying to grow replacement human organs in animals, though such a goal is still far off.
   
   https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/26/scie … rgans.html

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      wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      I doubt that the "yuck factor" is going to be of much concern to someone needing a liver, kidney or pancreas. 
      
      We have a desperate need for organs, and if they can be grown in animals I'm all for it.

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   colorfuloneposted 6 years ago

   Yuck factor is a 10 for me.  I believe its corruption of the human genetic codes. I don't agree with transhumanists creating animal human hybrids of any kind, organs or stem cells to be transplanted into humans that will change a person's genetics.
   
   DARPA has even set aside funding to rewrite the DNA of our soldiers to create super-soldiers. They say it would otherwise cause us to fall way behind on the battle field. 
   
   I do not approve of funding such government departments, like the largest one, Nation Institute of Health that doles out tax payer money for health related scientific research..for and in fact, they are funding universities to come up with language in legal terms to give constitutional rights to non-humans who's genetic martial has been altered enough to not even be considered human.
   
   To me its an anti-human agenda.

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      wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Is having a biological machine with a different genetic blueprint than yours worse than having a metal and plastic one without ANY of your blueprint?  Why?

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         colorfuloneposted 6 years agoin reply to this

         From my point of view it is to corrupt humanity. 
         
         From what I have picked up on because some of the 'foremost' geneticists, molecular biologists, and misanthropic scientists (who hate mankind)...have all said that we are a fluke, meaning humanity, and that we need to be done away with genetically through genetic altering and mutation. 
         
         I am firm that I won't prolong my life on Earth by accepting parts of a beast.

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            wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            LOL I'd like to see the reasoning that we are a fluke, without having the faintest idea of whether life exists outside our solar system or not.  Yes, according to the vast majority of competent scientists, though.
            
            *shrug* If you would prefer a plastic and metal organ that does half the job and needs replaced every few years over a biological one that will last a lifetime, it is your choice.  That "yuck" factor gets a lot of people, from the little girl looking at a raw tenderloin steak on up.

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               colorfuloneposted 6 years agoin reply to this

               Stephen Hawking said that,  "AI could spell the end of the human race'".   
               
               Pretty soon they will be able to download your brain?  lol
               
               I like tenderloins medium rare.

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                  wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                  It could, too (destroy the race).  Though I expect genetic manipulation of our children to do a much quicker, more thorough job - we're too ignorant of genetics to do that yet.  Maybe in 1,000 (or a million) years we'll be smart enough.
                  
                  Me, too, on the tenderloins.  But I still drool at the sight of that bloody, jiggly piece of meat waiting for the pan!  Maybe Pavlov has visited while I slept.

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                     ptosisposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                     Oh, that's another point: Lab grown meat to be sold to human - IDK - sound gruesome  - as tasteless as farm  grown salmon: Cultured meat, also called synthetic meat, cell-cultured meat, clean meat, and in vitro meat, ... engineered meat for human consumption,
                     
                     Maybe, one day, "soylet green' will really do come true?
                     
                     

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                        wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                        I don't know about gruesome - until you've stood in the kill room of a slaughterhouse you don't have much to compare it with.
                        
                        But I have yet to put a vegetable product in my mouth that is anything like meat.  It says it is, but the statement is intended to sell, not to provide accurate information.

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   psycheskinnerposted 6 years ago

   2.  It requires ethical oversight, and it has that.

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      ptosisposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      I'm sure it has today ... thinking in  the future  sci-fi stuff like growing spare humans without brains to be used medically for only the rich of course.
      
      Like the ending of "The Fly" monster. - sorry seen a lot of movies so I'm thinking worst case.
      
      
      
      
      For some reason - I have no problem of the human ear grown on a lab rat
      

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   PhoenixVposted 6 years ago

   What if it creates some mutation and some genes get passed on from generation to generation until
   
   https://img.ifcdn.com/images/331baf2dae … 3adb_1.jpg

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      wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Have you been taking pics through my bay window?!?!

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         PhoenixVposted 6 years agoin reply to this

         
         
         My family photo album?

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            wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            

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         PhoenixVposted 6 years agoin reply to this

         Seriously though havent they been using parts of the heart or maybe whole hearts for decades I thought. And they have worked really good?

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            PhoenixVposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            Or maybe not. I was just searching. I couldve swore they heen at least using pieces for valves or something.

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               colorfuloneposted 6 years agoin reply to this

               I just remembered this MIT Technology article I read some time ago, its titled "Human-Animal Chimeras Are Gestating on U.S. Research Farms"
               *  https://www.technologyreview.com/s/5451 … rch-farms/
               
               With no regard to ethics.

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                  Kathryn L Hillposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                  I'm guessing Atlantis and the Flood involved genetic manipulation, cloning and human DNA mixing with animal DNA. Is it fair to the rat (or the pig) who is killed for the human-looking Ear growing on his back? Well, IS IT? God had to destroy the world when mankind started messing with His Divine Image / Plan. 
                  Oops. I mentioned God.
                  
                  My vote is: YUCK
                  
                  PS Christians or religious people in general, (anyone who believes in God,) probably say genetic engineering should not be done.

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                     calculus-geometryposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                     There are more ethical concerns in harvesting organs from recently "deceased" people who sometimes aren't really dead.  I'd rather get an organ from an animal injected with human cells than from a person who was perhaps too hastily declared brain dead.

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                        Kathryn L Hillposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                        Good Heavens.

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                     colorfuloneposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                     When history has been rewritten and purposely misinterpreted, and ancient truths have been hidden or called myths in order to conceal, mankind is easily deceived.  History repeats itself.

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               wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

               Like you, I'm almost certain that is correct.  Pig parts come to mind, and heart valves are on the memory list.

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            colorfuloneposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            There are successful cases of transplants from one species to another, its called xenotransplantation.  It changes the genetic codes in animals.

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   Kathryn L Hillposted 6 years ago

   "The worry is that the animals might turn out to be a little too human for comfort, say ending up with human reproductive cells, patches of people hair, or just higher intelligence. “We are not near the island of Dr. Moreau, but science moves fast,” NIH ethicist David Resnik said during the agency’s November meeting. “The specter of an intelligent mouse stuck in a laboratory somewhere screaming ‘I want to get out’ would be very troubling to people.”
   
   The chance of an animal gaining human consciousness is probably slim; their brains are just too different, and much smaller. Even so, as a precaution, researchers working with farm-animal chimeras haven’t yet permitted any to be born, but instead are collecting fetuses in order to gather preliminary information about how great the contribution of human cells is to the animals’ bodies." !
   https://www.technologyreview.com/s/5451 … rch-farms/
   <<Thanks for the link colorfulone.>>
   
   
     Is it really ALL ABOUT ….
   
                                 U S  ? ? ? ? ? ?

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   Kathryn L Hillposted 6 years ago

   We should just accept our limitations regarding this matter. We should not harvest OUR body parts from animals. End of story.

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   Aime Fposted 6 years ago

   Straight out of Oryx and Crake by Margaret Atwood.  They're called pigoons in the book.  She sure does have a knack for eerily prophetic tales. 
   
   The pigoons ended up being pretty badass in the end though, maybe they'll be our future allies.

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