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Trying to Figure out why the US is ranked 37th

  1. nicomp profile image70
    nicompposted 8 years ago

    We're not 37th anyway. Everyone quotes that ranking but no one can even begin to explain the underlying data. We've tried to get clarification from several people who post on this forum, but they insist that "They are the source" and we should just accept the ranks as gospel.

    Here's the ranking: http://www.photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html

    Here's the spreadsheet behind the ranking:http://www.photius.com/rankings/world_health_systems.html

    Here's the WHO report: http://www.photius.com/rankings/who_wor … ranks.html

    The data appears to be somehow goal-related and the ranks appear to be driven by how those goals are met. Or not. The column headings don't mean anything. The rightmost column appears to be where the "37th" comes from but how it's calculated is a mystery. Anyone who uses the ranking to make their point should be able to explain how it's calculated.

    Since no one else will explain why they are using this number to impugn the US health care system, I'll try to analyze the WHO report.
    "The World Health Report says the main failings of many health systems are:

    Many health ministries focus on the public sector and often disregard the frequently much larger private sector health care."

    From this we see that the WHO prefers a socialist system. They endorse governmental control of the private sector.

    "In many countries, some if not most physicians work simultaneously for the public sector and in private practice. This means the public sector ends up subsidizing unofficial private practice."

    In the US it's the other way-round. Doctors are underpaid by Medicare and Medicaid; they make up the difference through their official private practice. The US doesn't generally restrict MDs from practicing in both arenas.

    "One key recommendation from the report is for countries to extend health insurance to as large a percentage of the population as possible. WHO says that it is better to make "pre-payments" on health care as much as possible, whether in the form of insurance, taxes or social security."

    So the WHO is obviously biased toward the socialized approach. In my mind, that taints their rankings. They didn't start from a neutral position.

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    ryankettposted 8 years ago

    In other words, why believe the incredibly well respected 'World' Health Organisation, when we could set up an 'American' Health Organisation and manipulate the figures to show us as 1st?

    1. nicomp profile image70
      nicompposted 8 years agoin reply to this
    2. Eaglekiwi profile image79
      Eaglekiwiposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      lol..sorry not laughing at you ,just cant beleive the audacity of some people..

      W. As in World right...geeze louise

  3. Eaglekiwi profile image79
    Eaglekiwiposted 8 years ago

    Nicomp please say Ryan is wrong ,yer not wishing that are you??

  4. livewithrichard profile image83
    livewithrichardposted 8 years ago

    Maybe because our system is an exlusionary system.  Our pirvate insurance exclude those with chronic diseases such as diabetes.  I know, I'm diabetic.  My insurance will cover screening but not the medications or other products I need to control my disease.

    Maybe because we are the MOST obese industrial nation Ranking number 9 on Forbes list of obese nations. But if Ledefensetech is right, we have a massive food shortage coming so we'll all thin out soon.

    Maybe the costs of our health system is too heavily taxed by people who have no means to private insurance such as the illegal population here.

    I don't doubt and all that we're ranked 37th in health systems.

    1. nicomp profile image70
      nicompposted 8 years agoin reply to this


      You have no clue if that's included in the WHO calculations.

      True. Illegals are a big problem.

      You have no idea how the rank was calculated. Fair enough.