e-cigs pulled from amazon?

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   sandra rinckposted 14 years ago

   So I was looking over my electronic cigarette hubs today and all the amazon links for e-cigs were gone.  So I went to amazon to look for some others and guess what?
   
   No electronic cigarettes for sale anymore.  That just really frustrates me.  Someone finally comes up with a good alternative to tobacco and the FDA finally gets their way or someone did.
   
   It is an outrage seriously.  They would much rather smoke tobacco then water, OMG.  This world is corrupt.
   
   Any other hubbers with e-cig hubs?

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      cosetteposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      no, but i just published a hub last night and was surprised to see a Google ad for "smokeless cigarettes" on it after i published it. and it has nothing to do with smoking. are you getting Google ads for them at least?
      
      i bet Amazon pulled their e-cig ads 'cause kids were buying them or something. sheesh.

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         Green Lotusposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         I have a few hubs on e-cigarettes with another more lighthearted one about to be published. just click on my profile.

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   thranaxposted 14 years ago

   Nope.
   
   ~thranax~

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   relacheposted 14 years ago

   Delivering pure nicotine (the component which people become addicted to) doesn't sound at all to me like something healthy.  And the fact that the delivery system was created to imitate a behavior that it becoming more and more banned doesn't seem like a good idea either.
   
   And most likely they have been pulled due to the fact they've just been classified as a new and unproven drug.

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      sandra rinckposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Nicotine?

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         relacheposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Are you unaware of what an e-cigarette is?  It's a delivery system for liquid nicotine.

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            sandra rinckposted 14 years agoin reply to this

            I am aware you must think I am a friggin idiot.  Okay.

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      Mrvoodooposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Nicotine might be the addictive part of a cigarette but it's not the part that kills people, so therefor a nicotine delivery system without the smoke sure sounds healthier to me, we're not talking eating carrots type healthy, but healthier.
      
      And again I'm pretty sure it's not the 'behavior' of smoking that's banned, but the smoke itself.

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   christophallenposted 14 years ago

   They are cracking down on the e-cigs big-time. It's really unfortunate. Despite whatever health questions there are, there's definitely no doubt that they aren't as bad for you as regular cigarettes.

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      sandra rinckposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      Exactly!

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   yoshi97posted 14 years ago

   Yeah ... they discovered real cigarettes kill more people, so due to overpopulation of the Earth they have determined that e-cigs must go, so as not to mess with the plan to kill off a third of the population by 2012 ...

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      onetrueheartposted 14 years agoin reply to this

      That is why we need to start the campaign to elect Palin in 2012!  Are you with me, please get with me!

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         sandra rinckposted 14 years agoin reply to this

         Oh hell noo!!!!  I wouldn't elect that woman if she was the only choice.

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   yoshi97posted 14 years ago

   Oh ... and my doctor was really annoyed to hear that I was breathing a lot easier since I quit smoking real cigarettes

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   swarnawposted 14 years ago

   i don't like smoke. it is bad habit

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   KCC Big Countryposted 14 years ago

   I have an e-cig hub and I still have e-cig products in my Amazon capsule.

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   Lisa HWposted 14 years ago

   Just out of curiosity I went to eBay, and it looks to me as if they don't sell the actual e.cigarettes but sell things like cases and maybe cartridges.  Maybe these companies don't want to risk liability if it turns out the products are more hazardous than people think.
   
   Some people believe that it is the pharmaceutical companies (who make nicotine gum and patches) who are putting pressure on to get e.cigarettes banned.
   
   I, personally, don't care one way or the other about e.cigarettes; but I don't think people's dislike of anyone else doing something that looks like smoking (but isn't), or else someone else's not liking the idea that people use nicotine (or Sweet 'n Low or beer or whatever else) ought to have any impact on the e.cigarette industry.  I wrote a Hub after the FDA came out with preliminary findings on toxins, but the e.cigarette is a completely different product from tobacco cigarettes; and since second-had smoke isn't a factor (the water vapor disappears almost immediately, and it isn't smoke), I don't think it's up to anyone but users as to who takes any possible risks with them or doesn't.  Whether or not the product has been approved as a stop-smoking device, that's what a lot of people are using it for.  The same people who risk their own lives speeding in cars, who eat all kinds of unhealthy food, and who don't wash their hands after using a restroom are often the people who have it in their heads that anything that even looks like a cigarette is the "only evil" there is in the world.  Common sense would tell people that a battery-operated cigarette that has "water smoke" should be the choice of anyone who wants to use it, provided they have adequate information about any possible risks.

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    KCC Big Countryposted 14 years ago

    I just went back and took a closer look and the ads on my e-cig page are just for cartridges, chargers and cases, no actual e-cigs.

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       sandra rinckposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       How odd right.  The part that contains the nicotine is still being sold. 

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    Lisa HWposted 14 years ago

    I think questions about their safety, resulting from some very limited studies performed by the FDA, could be one reason Amazon has removed them.  Very limited studies by the FDA showed they have have toxins in them, although some people question whether the FDA's word can be trusted.  Others question whether amounts of any toxins have been exaggerated.  Some of the more extensive studies, however, have been conducted by manufacturers, themselves - so who knows who/what to believe.

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    thranaxposted 14 years ago

    Apparently we all agree smoking at all is bad. Its a good thing to know, as seeing it has no real benefits. It seems like getting people addicted to e-cigs makes it so that companies can steal all there money for a longer time because they will live those few extra years from the switch over...
    
    ~thranax~

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    Nelle Hoxieposted 14 years ago

    I just googled the topic and found this
    
    "The Internet retailer Amazon.com is reportedly moving to stop selling or supporting the sale of e-cigarettes on its huge website. Its action follows receipt of a notice of potential legal liability for facilitating the sale of a product the Food and Drug Administration [FDA] has declared is “illegal.”"
    
    Here's the complete link: http://www.tobacco-facts.net/2009/09/am … ette-sales

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       sandra rinckposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       OMG, ROTFLMAO, are you kidding me!  Since when did the FDA have any sanctions over the product?

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          relacheposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          Nicotine is a pyschoactive drug, it's always been something that has fallen under the FDA's purview.
          
          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicotine#P … ve_effects

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             Green Lotusposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             Nicotine is also present in many foods such as tomatoes, potatoes and eggplant! Hey, let's ban pizza and french fries! Nicotine is not a carcinogen. Even the FDA admits that. A "full flavored" cigarette contains 8 MG of nicotine. E-cigarettes may be ordered with as little as 4mg or with NO nicotine.  The product is a remarkable way to quit smoking although it has to be advertised as a smoking alternative.

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          Mikel G Robertsposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          since the government figured out how much money they were going to lose in tax revenue if e-cigs took off? 

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    yoshi97posted 14 years ago

    And yet ... regular cigarettes are still sold, which kill millions of smokers and non-smokers alike ... now that's the definition of hypocrisy!

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    Lisa HWposted 14 years ago

    It would seem to me that an anti-smoking organization has no right to involve itself with a product that is not smoke.  I'm not making any guesses about whether the FDA's findings are accurate or valid, but the world is full of hazardous products.  It would seem to me that an anti-smoking organization should involve itself only with smoke.  I mean, if someone wants to create an anti-vaping organization and try to go after the product, that may make sense.  This doesn't.  I can't help but get a whiff of a little zealotry here; and that, in itself, could make the anti-smoking organization less credible when it comes to the thing they're actually supposed to be against.

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       sandra rinckposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Plus you would think they have to be flippin idiots because by doing so they are furthering the tobacco agenda.

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    sunforgedposted 14 years ago

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/09/2 … 95113.html
    
    Cloves and flavored tobacco (but not menthol?)have recently been banned in the US also, undoubtedly as a result of years of efforts by the tobacco lobby
    
    Forget amazon for ecigs - i know many people who have made thousands from that product, ecigs have direct affiliate programs through every major publisher network..i have exp w/ a program on the pepperjam network, i th9nk there are a couple of references and links on one or two of my aff marketing hubs

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       sandra rinckposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       I don't know what it has to do with e-cigs though.

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          sunforgedposted 14 years agoin reply to this

          whats to miss? big tobacco, tobacco alternatives, profit loss , corrupt govt and agencies - its pretty clear
          
          or the second part? if you want to market e-cigs become an afilliate directly, with 10-20% commissions, rather than 4-8.5% through amazon

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             sandra rinckposted 14 years agoin reply to this

             lol, sorry.  I meant about the article.  What did the article have to do with e-cigs?  It was about banning clove and flavored cigarettes because they believe it is more appealing to teenagers.

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                sunforgedposted 14 years agoin reply to this

                Its all tied together, it has nothing to do with kids (the nnumber one cigarette product smoked by teens is Marborlo cigarettes followed closely by Newports) all of these products - added up take a small portion of sales from big tobacco and they have successfully removed their competition
                
                sorry about typos- netbook has lille buttons

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    KCC Big Countryposted 14 years ago

    I've been hoping all along that someone big/influential/loaded would come along and really support e-cigs so that they had a bit more clout.  It's going to take a lot to combat the tobacco industry and FDA.  It's hard to tell who is puppeteering who, but there are a lot of 'people' who stand to lose a lot of money if e-cigs survive so they are bound to fight it.  NONE of this is about the health and safety of people.

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       sandra rinckposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       I know Big Country.  It's always about the money with those folks. 

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    KCC Big Countryposted 14 years ago

    I do realize that money and livlihoods are what we're all about, but it should never be at the risk of someone else's health.  Tobacco companies have lobbied and 'ruled' forever and it's been proven time after time after time how horrible cigarettes are and no one has ever been able to do anything about it.

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    Susana Sposted 14 years ago

    That's bad news for you and others selling e-cigs through amazon - so I'm sorry to hear it. They are are MUCH better alternative to smoking cigarettes. I know one really good affiliate company called linkshare that have them on their site, if you want to sell them directly as Sunforged suggested

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    shamelabboushposted 14 years ago

    I'm ok with the real one.

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    habeeposted 14 years ago

    I love my menthol-flavored e-cig! And mine doesn't contain nicotine!

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    mistyhorizon2003posted 14 years ago

    My Hubby was given an e-cigarette and was convinced it would help him stop smoking by a guy in the pub. At the same time this guy got hold one one for another smoker who frequented the pub. I think I saw all three of them only ever use their e-cigs on two separate nights, and now assume these have been relegated to the bottom drawer in favour of "The real thing". I am so glad I stoped smoking cigs over a year ago. My only smoking type vice now is the Shisha pipe I bought in Egypt, and the 'tobacco' I can buy for that is nicotine, tar and tobacco free. This stuff tastes great and comes in lovely flavours such as mixed fruits, coconut, banana, liquorice etc. Another plus is it isn't really too likely to become a habit as you won't exactly walk into a pub carrying your own shisha/hookah pipe, charcoal discs, tobaccos etc, (the smoke is also drawn through water which makes it far more pleasant)

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       otrpuposted 14 years agoin reply to this

       Why would anybody trust what the FDA says anyway. They've been letting corporations kill off a considerable segment of the population for decades. If it's the tobacco lobby that's fighting this, I suggest they either get behind eCigs. . .or find a wholesaler that can supply containers full of cannabis seeds. If it's the patch 'n gum crowd, I suggest they contact a band aid company or some where else to sell their wares. The industry that will eventually promote eCigs will probably be the medical insurance boys. They really have the most to gain from people switching from poison to play pretend. As well as large corporations with thousands of employees. Just think of the man hours they will reclaim with everybody staying in the saddle the full workday. And anybody with any sense "that smokes" will switch off tobacco to the eCig and gradually work their way out of any nicotine involvement. That's what I think. . .and I'ma stickin too it.
       Cheers,
       otrpu

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    thisisoliposted 14 years ago

    Sign up to these affilaite programs directly.  You might find lower conversions but higher profits in any case

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