What do you think about vaccines?
Do they REALLY protect you, or do they in fact lower the efficiency of that miracle that is the human immune system?
i stopped vaccinating my son after he had three scary episodes shortly after getting his shots as a baby. finally less than a week after his last shots, at christmas, he just laid there limp and practically lifeless. didn't want to open presents. it was sad and really scary.
researched vaccines and from all the research i've done i've found that the diseases we vaccinate for were already declining when the vaccine was introduced.
AND as with this case the VAST majority of those who get these illnesses we immunize for are the ones who are VACCINATED.
and people who say that vaccines come with NO risk, or that the need outweighs the risk. of course, adults tolerate vaccines well. not that they are not toxic to adults, but, tolerated. there are babies who die from vaccines.
there are babies who are permanently injured from these drugs and there are countless parents INSISTING that vaccines caused their child's developmental disorder. whether vaccines are the cause or not is debatable and honestly, there is no proof either way. the fact is, regardless of the risk of autism, pumping our kids full of adjuvants and preservatives like formaldehyde when the vaccines are PROVEN to only be partially effective for SOME people not all, well, thats not a risk i am willing to take with my daughter. she has never been vaccinated, never will.
my son, never again. NEVER had a blue-face episode since. NEVER been sick, just like my daughter.
vaccines are such a sham.
and they are dangerous.
Vaccines kill your inmune system.
Once you have a vaccine, you'll have to stick to them, if not you get ill.
I don't take any vaccine, and try not to travel to places where they're required.
yes vaccines really protect you. i had to have a mumps shot when i was pregnant. i was really worried about that but they said if i got the mumps while pregnant, the consequences would be far worse, so i got the shot and was fine.
Cosette, and how do you know you would not have been fine without it?
"Approximately 80% of individuals become immune to mumps after a single dose of vaccine. The second dose of MMR vaccine is intended to produce immunity in the 20% of persons who did not respond to the first dose. "
Vaccines work, but nothing is 100%.
IDK Cole, medicine is not an exact science, statistics can be cooked to order, and considering the amount of money and politics involved, I don't trust it a tiny bit...
All true. But I just do my own research about everything anyways. And a lot of it I do trust. I trust that vaccines are made to help people. And if they didn't they wouldn't be manufactured and distributed. And if they weren't manufactured and distributed no one would make the $$.
If I could get the HPV Vaccine I would.
Mhmm. i also made sure my son had all his shots. my little brother wasn't vaccinated and got whooping cough when he was a baby and it was horrible.
I had whooping cough as a baby, almost died. My adopted parents had me at the time (back then they were just like minders helping my mom out with getting sober) and as the story goes my adopted mom was sitting on the porcelain throne. She had been doing tarot readings all day that kept bringing up the death card and did so again while indisposed and called to my adopted dad to check me in the crib. He had a look and my face was bluish and purplish, he did mouth to mouth and by the time the ambulance arrived I was breathing again.
Sorry to hijack the thread, I seem to do that a lot
Just weird associations I guess
whoa, that's really interesting. i'm glad he decided to check on you.
even though my son was vaccinated for everything, he still caught other diseases like croup and pneumonia. when he had croup, i remember sitting up all night, napping on the floor beside his bed and listening to him breathe. good thing too because in the morning, he sounded horrible, so we got the shower running and built up a huge cloud of steam and sure enough, when he woke up, he couldn't breathe. his father carried him into the bathroom saying 'call 9-1-1', but before i could, the steam and pounding bewteen his shoulder blades made him cough up the biggest thing of mucus you ever saw. then there was the time when he projectile vomited on me when he had pneumonia. those illnesses were scary enough. i couldn't even imagine trying to fight whooping cough and polio, etc.
May be some interesting reading for you both girls
Thanks Misha. I have read numerous documents and studies on the subject. I don't sit on one side or another. Like I said, I would get the HPV vaccine if I could. As far as vaccinating my child, I will decide when I get to that point. Vaccines do help prevent the spread of disease and have been a great asset in modern medicine. Your feelings are legit, I just seem to have different ones.
Super bugs are becoming immune to our drugs as they evolve and adjust. Vaccines usually available every few years so who knows if these people were even up-to-date I prefer having some security against polio, mumps, TB, etc.
Not sure where you are from but such occurrences does have to make one wonder of the practices of the health office and suggest a investigation into quality of vaccines given.
I think fault would lie in the provider of the vaccine and again, suggest a investigation into the quality control since maybe buying inferior brand saves $$ . just a thought not a judgement.
Vaccines do protect people, but not necessarily in the way we have been led to believe recently. Every person who takes a vaccine is in fact risking something. He's risking an injury to his immune system. He's risking the possibility that he might have an adverse reaction to some of the "inert" substances in the vaccine. But having the entire population vaccinated helps to prevent outbreaks of the disease in the population at large. Vaccination is promoted for epidemiological reasons and not in order to protect individuals vaccinated. It's kind of like a health tax. (The people who reap the greatest rewards are the ones who aren't vaccinated but are also not exposed to the disease because everyone else got vaccinated. They are sort of like draft dodgers who enjoy peace without risking war.)
The argument used to be made quite openly: we risk injuring our children when they are vaccinated as a kind of sacrifice to the common good.
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