Measles Outbreak: A Subject Both Libs and Conservatives Can Support

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  1. crankalicious profile image92
    crankaliciousposted 3 months ago

    We're seeing measles outbreaks in both Washington and New York.

    https://www.cnn.com/2019/01/30/health/m … index.html

    Perhaps we could get some political agreement, since there's so much argument in these forums. I contend that people who don't get vaccinated for Measles (and pretty much all other vaccinations), unless they have a very specific medical reason, like they're getting chemotherapy, are idiots.

    So, to be clear: people who don't get their kids vaccinated for Measles are idiots. Morons. And beyond that, should be sued for endangering public health. They should be financially libel for the damage they cause.

    Both liberals and conservatives are part of this idiot group that don't get vaccinated. Anti-vaxxers are from both political persuasions.

    1. MizBejabbers profile image90
      MizBejabbersposted 3 months agoin reply to this

      I agree with you. Personal freedom today takes precedence over responsibility to society, and idiots, as you call them, are allowed to endanger public health. This is one area in which I wish we could go back to the "good old days" of required vaccinations to be able to attend school. At one time schools required proof of vaccinations for childhood diseases before the child was allowed to be enrolled. State law allowed for certain religious exceptions, but you had to prove that your family was a practicing member of one of the accepted denominations such as Christian Science, or provide a valid signed medical statement that the vaccination itself endangered the child's life.

      Most of us who went through any of the childhood diseases have enough sense to not want our kids to suffer them. I say "any" because somehow I had a natural immunity to mumps and chicken pox and escaped them, but my siblings did not. Measles, mumps, etc. are bad enough, but nobody in his right mind would leave his child susceptible to polio. Especially not after seeing her little friend in an iron lung for months, and then watching her weak little legs as she stumbled around on crutches! But today younger generations wrongly believe that these diseases have been wiped out, but all it takes is for one unvaccinated family to visit an area in which they still exist to bring them back to life. This is what is happening today, all because in 1998 The Lancet irresponsibly published a report of a flawed study by Dr. Andrew Wakefield, a British surgeon and researcher. We can only guess that the doctor was out to make a name for himself, but he accomplished nothing but looking foolish and bringing back dreaded childhood diseases by arrogant, skittish parents. One man's paper, unbelievable, but foolish people believed him without validating his falsehood or waiting to see if it were true.

      https://www.medicaldaily.com/history-au … ons-294474

      Personal freedom has eclipsed responsibility to society. I really hate to see the suffering that my peers and siblings went through being revived. I don't recall of ever hearing of a case of autism until I was well into adulthood and my own vaccinated children were grown. Please, people, get real!

      1. wilderness profile image96
        wildernessposted 3 months agoin reply to this

        My grandmother suffered from TB as a child.  She was in her teens before she got a horse and could finally go to school; it was much later that the family could afford to see a doctor and get the leg braces and special footwear that finally allowed her to walk.  Poorly, but walk.

        Sure, let's bring back all these old diseases that we've conquered in this country, all in the name of personal freedom to risk our children.

        1. MizBejabbers profile image90
          MizBejabbersposted 3 months agoin reply to this

          That doesn't sound like TB, are you sure you don't mean polio? With TB the victim was usually put away in a sanatorium for months or years until he or she improved. I've known several people to whom that happened, including a neighbor and a family member.
          It was the description of her waiting for leg braces that caused me to ask. Both my husband and I had light cases of polio when we were children. We lived about 40 miles apart but didn't know each other then. Neither of us needed braces, but it left me walking with a heavy gait that to this day, I'm sometimes teased about. I'm not crippled; I just walk heavily. He and I both developed hip problems at an early age.

        2. crankalicious profile image92
          crankaliciousposted 3 months agoin reply to this

          Wilderness, so where do you think this personal freedom for vaccines is coming from? Usually "personal freedom" is more of a conservative concept, but in this case, it's also coming from liberals who think that anybody should be able to do whatever they want whenever they want no matter how it affects others. Perhaps it's an extension of being able to decide what is put in one's own body, which tends to be played up more in liberal politics. Seems like this is not a political issue and more of an issue for a particular social set.

          I live in a very liberal town and we have low vaccination rates for Whooping Cough.

          1. wilderness profile image96
            wildernessposted 3 months agoin reply to this

            It comes from fear and from a decision that the individual can coast on the shirt tails of the rest of society rather than taking personal responsibility to do their part in protecting the whole.

            1. crankalicious profile image92
              crankaliciousposted 3 months agoin reply to this

              So it comes from the thought that the individual doesn't have a responsibility to the rest of society, right? Or that my personal needs and/or fears are more important than the needs of the whole.

            2. crankalicious profile image92
              crankaliciousposted 3 months agoin reply to this

              I also think a lot of people think vaccines are dangerous. They actually do the calculus and come up with the answer that getting the shot is more dangerous than getting the disease.

              People just can't do math and risk assessment.

              1. wilderness profile image96
                wildernessposted 3 months agoin reply to this

                " I also think a lot of people think vaccines are dangerous."

                Yes, that's the fear part.  And they may be right in that the vaccine produces a higher chance of getting the disease than not being vaccinated.

                But if true it is true BECAUSE everyone else is getting that vaccination and taking the risk.  If no one did, it would reverse and the chances of the disease would far, far outweigh the risks of vaccination.  It doesn't take much math (but probably more that and anti-vaxers are capable of) to figure that out.

                1. MizBejabbers profile image90
                  MizBejabbersposted 3 months agoin reply to this

                  At one time the flu vaccines were produced from live viruses, but that hasn't been so for years. We older folks remember the reaction being nearly as bad as the disease, but a bad reaction rarely happens anymore. People remember this and fear the flu vaccine. I do know one lady who can't take a flu vaccine because she is allergic to eggs, but a valid reason like that is very rare. The link of childhood vaccines to autism really was "fake news" that too many people believe. I believe you are right about the idea of personal responsibility not being important anymore.

                  Some people remember the shots as being painful, but they aren't nearly as painful as they used to be.

    2. Kathryn L Hill profile image78
      Kathryn L Hillposted 3 months agoin reply to this
  2. Glenis Rix profile image97
    Glenis Rixposted 3 months ago

    I agree. The same goes for the annual flu jab. Flu epidemics have killed more people than measles and small children plus oldies like me are particularly susceptible. And yet I read in the news that a high percentage of staff employed in the health services don’t get vaccinated. It ought to be mandatory for this group.

    1. wilderness profile image96
      wildernessposted 3 months agoin reply to this

      Interesting.  What I read, and hear from the many hospital workers in my extended family, is that flu vaccinations are a requirement for employment.  Some have no problem with it, some scream to the skies about being required to get one, but they all get it if they wish to continue to work at their job.

      Wonder which is correct?  Or more correct, for I'm sure that something less than 100% of hospitals have that requirement, and some likely request but do not require it.

    2. crankalicious profile image92
      crankaliciousposted 3 months agoin reply to this

      You are absolutely correct. The flu is deadly. While the vaccine doesn't always work, perhaps it should be mandatory? Given the amount of work days businesses and government lose to people contracting the flu, it makes sense that people should be getting the shot.

  3. theraggededge profile image97
    theraggededgeposted 3 months ago

    I would never put an MMR vaccination in either of my younger kids. Call me what you like. Vaxxers always think that it's okay to insult people who don't agree with them.

    And herd immunity by vaccination is codswallop. It's not possible. You have to have 98% of the total population vaccinated. That's the total population, not just kids. From 100 down to 1 day old.

    In any case, if your kid is vaccinated, you have nothing to worry about. If your child has a compromised immune system, then you have to take extra care and make sure s/he only socializes with vaccinated kids.

    And... if you are looking for a reason, my eldest had the measles vaccination and had a horrible reaction to it. Lasted for six months. Complete personality change and a painful lump the size of a walnut on his thigh.

    And it seems that the US government also thinks that vaccines are dangerous:

    "As of March 30, 2018, the Vaccine Injury Compensation Program had paid $106.5 million (THIS YEAR) for 283 claims since the beginning of the 2018 fiscal year. Drugwatch’s legal partners are accepting vaccine injury cases.

    Since 1988, over 18,426 petitions have been filed with the VICP. Over that 29-year time period, 16,555 petitions have been adjudicated, with 5,581 of those determined to be compensate-able, while 10,974 were dismissed. Keep in mind the CDC estimates that only about 10% of adverse events are reported. Total compensation paid over the life of the vaccine injury compensation program is approximately $3.7 billion."

    1. Kathryn L Hill profile image78
      Kathryn L Hillposted 3 months agoin reply to this

      wow!

  4. Glenis Rix profile image97
    Glenis Rixposted 3 months ago
    1. theraggededge profile image97
      theraggededgeposted 3 months agoin reply to this

      Yeah.. and I don't vaccinate my dogs either.

  5. Live to Learn profile image82
    Live to Learnposted 3 months ago

    When my son was little, anti vaxers were prevalent. They had me scared, but watching a video of kids who had preventable diseases cured my fear. Those against should look at what can happen if they choose not to vaccinate.

  6. RTalloni profile image90
    RTalloniposted 3 months ago

    Washington state, a gateway for the world to pass through (and settle) in the USA via both a southern border in California and its northern Canadian border, not to mention Sea-Tac, requires that all schools require vaccinations. A state emergency has been declared. Many of those measles cases are attributed to anti-vaxers and there is national concern over the outbreak. 

    Many anti-vaxers there use the religious exemption, but most of the time it is personal preference. Some also have children's parties for the purpose of spreading the specific diseases, which is first mind-boggling, then enraging. They were protected from these diseases by vaccinations but are forcing their children to suffer through the dangerous diseases, not to mention putting others at risk? 

    Reports indicate that safety concerns about the vaccines are the main reasons parents hesitate to vaccinate. The truth is, there are real concerns and we should have ongoing discussions. The medical community should watchdog drug companies because error by manufacturers is a valid concern, though perhaps not as big a concern as some purport, after all, they do want to stay in business. We need to consistently weigh the issues carefully.

    Sharing information on people's experiences with these diseases serves to open some eyes, for instance, Death of Olivia at roalddahl.com , but willfully subjecting children to them rather than studying useful information has provoked some teens to fact check their anti-vaxer parents reasons for refusing vaccinations. Where this will lead has pros and cons and will certainly be interesting to watch.

  7. Kathryn L Hill profile image78
    Kathryn L Hillposted 3 months ago

    Getting measles and fighting it off is good for the immune system and future generations. We were designed to get the measles and fight it off. If you get the measles as a kid you have immunity for life. Not so much if you get vaccinated.

    But let it happen naturally. Don't have parties to induce it.

    1. MizBejabbers profile image90
      MizBejabbersposted 3 months agoin reply to this

      What turnip truck did you fall off of? (dangling participle intended) It may make the immune system stronger against those diseases, but those "harmless" diseases cause blindness and deafness in some children and mumps can cause sterility in an adult, but that's ok as long as they don't get autism from a vaccination. Many a child may not go blind, but will have his or her eyes weakened and require strong correction for the rest of his or her life. But hey! that's good for the optical industry, right? The hearing impaired kid can get hearing aids, and the sterile adult can go adopt a couple of those children pro-lifers advocate must be born regardless of survival potential. Oops, I forgot, there aren't enough of them to go around so U.S. citizens are having to go to overpopulated foreign countries to adopt them. So yeah, getting those diseases is good for society...if you are filled with corporate greed and are otherwise self-serving.

 
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