What are your thoughts on this question? This alcoholic is on his second kidney transplant after 2.5 years of further abuse.
While I agree with you, doing something like this would set a very bad precedent.
Should someone overweight or someone who smokes receive a heart transplant?
Should someone who participates in extreme sport be allowed to have a replacement hip?
There are all sorts of people who put themselves in hazardous situations - should you stop them from havin certain surgeries because of this?
I could go on and on, but it’s very hard to draw a line for me…..
they already do and no ridiculous problems :
If they are an incurable alcoholic NO! There are more deserving people out there who will take care of the second chance that they have been given!
I am a very fit individual without kidneys due to cancer, not because of drinking or using drugs, just living. No transplant for me, they tell me I am not sick enough?
The trade in Kidneys worldwide is a Very Corrupt practice! I researched this a couple of years ago and it is driven by the US health providers who source from 3rd world, poor and warring countries... with sourcing commissioned agents throughout the world. It is dollar driven with a young kidney selling for as high as $200,000US dependent on 'circumstances!'
Clearly, you are outside a set of controlled 'circumstances' - such conditions are usually varied with the introduction of monetary benefits to the source or the resellers!
A Dirty Trade... I'm sorry that you are caught in that position and wish you well in your quest... perhaps your answer lies in a bequeathed organ within a willing and matching donor's will..
Good Luck... never give up!
What's the point?
Surely if they are drunk all the time their new organ would droop as badly as the replaced one!
I agree Pearl Diver and Lean Man if they are going to continuously abuse the new kidneys then no they should not receive a transplant.
These two guys are in the same dialysis clinic as I am after being transplanted twice, during the five years I have been a dialysis patient at this same clinic. I get along well with both of them. I think it is the fault of the system?
Thanks for answering CP.
There is more and more evidence suggesting that by our lifestyle we can prevent many diseases. On one hand, we should be accountable for diseases we can prevent, on other hand, no one should be refused treatment due to his or her mental or physical disadvantages. It is not easy to quit drugs, alcohol or even smoking....but we should never give up on a person, because it is possible.
I don't want to put myself in the place of someone playing god and so I won't make the judgment of who gets a kidney and who doesn't. If a person is an alcoholic and needs a kidney to live, they deserve to get one just like anyone else.
It's not your call and any of your business who gets what. I know because I'm on a list to get a donor organ as of last year, and I was interviewed and screened. Don't ever play God on something like this when you don't even know the person or the circumstances involved. You can bitch all you want, but why bother? It's beyond your control. It is understood that if someone donates their organ, you are going to take care of that organ out of respect for the individual and the hospital and team who worked on your transplant. What a person does after a transplant is their business. It's the panel of doctors that decide if the person is mentally and physically prepared to receive a donor organ--not Joe or Jane Public.
I do know the person involved in this question we are in the same dialysis clinic together, actually I know the alcoholic and the drug addict personally.
Perhaps like most people here in the forums you should read the question and all the answers properly before leaving a comment?
MP50 is this the same guy you talked about on another thread? The one who was a drug addict, or is the alcoholic a different one?
We discussed then, and thought we had reached an agreement, that the kidney available may have been a better match for one of them.
You are waiting for one. You do not want a poor match. A poor match is not likely to 'take' and guarantees you a life of misery, bloated with the anti-rejection medications you will need.
An interesting point, actually, is that drug addicts and alcoholics tend to do their liver in first, in which case only a liver transplant can keep them alive.
It would seem these guys have reasonably healthy livers, or they would not be offered kidney transplants.
You have a life tied to a machine, well not tied to it as such, but what is it? 3 times a week you need dialysis? But you can live for years like that and while it is severely movement-limiting, you are not at immediate risk of dying.
Maybe these guys are?
Just a thought.
I have dialysis 4 times a week for 4.5 hrs each time, the other two men will only take 4 hrs 3 times a week!
The liver can be brought back from as low as 30% function ability, if a person stops drinking. the liver can be 100% healthy working order.
Unforntunatly the Kidneys cannot, when the kidneys go below 30% a patient will need dailysis tretment to clean the body of blood and fluid an basically a transplant.
Give the organ to someone who is going to take care of it and appreciate it. Those organs aren't easy to come by. I think he is abusing this privelage.
The way i see it, someone needs an organ you give it to them. Period. I'm tired of other people moralizing how others live their lives.
You see it all wrong and have not fully understood the question or answers before commenting.
The only way you can ever begin to understand this is to be in this situation yourself. I'm not telling other people how to live their lives and I'm also tired of all these do-gooders in the world who live in a pink fluffy reality, far far away from the truth.
They fact they are getting transplants is not denying you a transplant.
I wasn't saying that you specifically were telling others how to live their lives. However, as was said before, where does society draw the line if you are going to deny people organs or surgery based on their health practices?
Sorry I didn't agree with you.
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