How are you promoting your poetry and fiction writing now that Hubpages is putting most of it on idle?
I'm not promoting it, and I have taken my poems off the site, as well as most of my essay-style hubs. I do sympathize with the great writers here who specialize in poetry, but for me, I think putting it all in an ebook or other form is the only way to use it.
As for promoting poetry - I have one plea - there's at least one dear person on this site who post their own work continually in various Facebook groups and shares here. Over, and over, and over. That's too much, and it's a turn-off. It's also a turn-off to others in the group when writers take turns sharing hubs on FB or elsewhere, with others who write poems.
When you go on a group and see 3-4 hubs (or more) of any sort posted in one day by the same person (every single day), you'll be driven to 'unfriend' them, and even block them. I know I was.
Well most of my work consists of short stories, and I've been managing them quite well. I'm proud to say that not a single one of my stories is not featured. I also take longer to write and publish, as I'm going for a quality over quantity method.
I've been thinking about this since I saw it posted, particularly as I am a poet myself. I've not truly made any type of serious effort at writing stories, though that may come with time. My response is going to focus on whatever poetry exists in those Hubs I have already published and why I will likely not be publishing any Hubs which contain only an original poem or collection thereof.
I've written several poems for inclusion in my Hubs by this point. They're quite short thus far, but they are original compositions. The first was a haiku, and was incorporated into a larger essay by way of serving as an example of a word list exercise. Another free verse composition functions as an example of what may result from "reworking" a prose paragraph. (I had originally intended to write what I then called a "pure" prose re-working, but was instead inspired to compose an original poem. I'm not one to argue with the muse when she visits!)
I'm marketing my existing Hubs by posting notifications to Facebook, Twitter, and Pinterest -- and I'm also sharing, reading, commenting and voting on Hubs of particular interest to me. We all help each other here by providing *and* attracting traffic from readers both on and off HP. I would do the same with stories -- but would likely post only short excerpts. I just don't yet have a strategy for stories.
I don't yet know whether I will be publishing any Hubs that contain nothing but a poem. At present, I have my doubts as to whether it would generate sufficient traffic for a number of reasons, as listed below:
* Online writing which garners any serious traffic is likely to be geared towards an audience searching for phrases structured more in prose than poetic form. Any person searching online for poetry is probably looking for a already-established poet and will almost certainly not find my work.
* Poems are not keyword-driven. Writing for online publication - as I am in the process of learning - is very different than writing for print. I reserve my original poetry largely for submission to publications which are themselves dedicated to poetry.
* The only way an original composition might (and this is "might") be text-searchable is through the use of an "epigraph", or pertinent quote, at the beginning of the poem. I believe this to be the case with stories as well. If the epigraph is sufficiently popular, it has the potential to gain a bit of traffic from search -- but I do not typically use epigraphs in my poems.
* Finally, poems are not evergreen content. While one can rightly argue that poems have the potential to appeal to readers over a very long period of time, I cannot view them as having evergreen potential simply because they are not inherently "search-friendly". This is mostly because of the lack of keyword traffic, but also because poets tend to write from personal experience, particularly with regard to confessional poets. I am largely confessional myself, and simply don't see the merit in posting work which may well gain more traffic by publication in an online poetry journal.
As far as I am able to understand, HubPages encourages the publication of magazine-style articles which are well-researched, keyword-friendly (if not keyword-driven -- I recognize my own learning curve with SEO) and interesting to a sizable market. Just as we are hoping to earn money over time with our writing, so they are hoping to earn money through traffic to their site. Both the authors and HP are in the business of marketing our writing.
I took most of my poetry and short fiction off also. I do agree with you about the over posting. Thank you Marcy for bring that point to the attention of hubbers.
Thanks for allowing me to express that concern, Suzzycue - it happens on HP, too, but I have found it to be worse (or more annoying) on FB. It's counter-productive, at some point, which is sad, because I know everyone here wishes only the best for all writers, including those whose love is poetry.
Well done johnathan. I only get rejections when I post on Reddit. I guess they don't like you to promote your own work there someone else has to post it for you.
Poeticvine You are doing all the right things to get traffic and keep your score high on Hubpages. I also can understasnd that poems do not get the traffic because they don't meet the 500 word one photograph standards for a stellar hub here on hubpages. You can still write your poetry and get views from your following Hubbers. There are lots of poets here on Hubpages that get a ton of traffic from inside Hubpages. Lots of poets here on Hubpages have hundreds of followers that support their writing style.They also go on to make volumes of their poetry into books. I just don't know that they make money from it because Hubpages does only want reseached articles that grab google.
johndnathan How can Reddit like porn? I thought it was a site for kids? Am I wrong?
PoeticVine Thankyou for your excellent comment. I think what I am asking is will anyone share the sites that they are having success with their poetry so that I and many other Hubbers who enjoy writing and reading poetry can have some success with it also.
Thank you, suzzycue -- I've been pondering the best next reply to post since I realized I misunderstood the specific direction of your question.
I think with that in mind, I'd say that my HubPage poetry will likely all be incorporated into larger "essay-style" Hubs talking about the type of poetry I'm posting. As far as outside sites -- Duotrope.com is an excellent research tool for poets and fiction writers alike to find markets for submission. I don't know of any sites on which to post entire solo compositions -- maybe poetry.com, poetrysoup.com, or something similar?
As I mentioned in my first comment, I'm still getting used to writing for online publication -- I'm still pretty much geared towards writing for print. I believe my Hubs are showing consistent improvement, and I'm watching the traffic to see which get the most attention. I feel so new at this, even though I've been writing for what seems like forever!
Thanks a lot for the information Poeticvine. I will check out Duotrope.com for sure. I have seen poetry.com but to me they put your poetry on their site so you will buy their books that they put your poems in and I am not interested in that.
jandee Thank you for your comment but I think Hubpages is doing a good job of promoting our hubs. It does take some time to learn to write them ,how they want them to be. But I have watched hubs that are wrote to their standards excel ahead of others like poetry that they don't support. I think anyone can succeed on Hubpages but it takes hard work , determination and a strong belief in yourself as a writer. It also takes patience and time which is what I struggle with.
Thanks so much for reply. I think we are all being used and discarded whenever the system changes and suits them. Why is there any point in writing if they just drop our stuff willy nilly.? If you can tell me otherwise I would be very interested but meanwhile I am just here thesedays to interact with friends , best from jandee.
I don't think they change the system willy nilly. They have to make changes to keep pace with the rest of the internet, especially Google.
My view on poetry is that it's nice, but unless the poetry is of profound beauty or emotion then it really only is worth reading by the person writing it, due to the fact that other people just may not understand what the writer is really feeling.
The internet is so saturated with poems, many ranging from mediocre to awful, that it's a bit hard to sort through it all sometimes.
If you want the visual version of this just look on DeviantART's homepage. It's page after page of amateur drawings with some really good ones in-between, coupled with nude photographs if you have the mature filters turned off.
johndnathan Thank you for your help in repling to jandee. Jandee .Your hubs will have a better chance of staying featured if you link them altogether will a common three keyword phrase. It is important to have your hubpage about a theme and write your hubs in the same niches and not a bunch of orphan hubs.
had some on for 3 years so how come all of a sudden they get zilched ? mostly the Politico ! ones,
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