Romney brings religion to the table

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   Petra Vlahposted 12 years ago

   During the debate, Romney made a reference about having gone on a mission for the Mormon Church and for the volunteer work he did while serving as a pastor.
   
   
   Was that a smart move?

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      JaxsonRaineposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I don't see it hurting him in any way.

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         habeeposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         I don't think it will help or hurt. How many still undecided voters are left? I've lost count. Is it 11 or 12 now?

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      movingoutposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I'm concerned about how much influence the Living Prophet from his Church, would have on his decision making?

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         Petra Vlahposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         As a Mormon, Mitt Romney must renew his Temple Recommend every year to be a member of the church in good standing. Part of this renewal process is an interview with a Bishop who asks the question: “Do you believe (...) to be a modern day prophet, seer and revelator?” If anyone answers “no” to this question, they lose their Temple Recommend

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            rebekahELLEposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            I think that if more Romney supporters actually knew some of the Mormon beliefs and goals of their 'priesthood', they would have second thoughts.  Romney absolutely wants to go to the top, and in part, it's because of his religious practice and belief.  I can understand why he hasn't talked more openly about what the higher ups in his church believe and wish to achieve.  He would lose a lot of votes!

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               JaxsonRaineposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               Sounds like a lot of fear mongering to me.

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                  rebekahELLEposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  Not at all.  Do some simple research.  I'm not attempting to fear monger~   I'm laughing because if you knew me, you would know how laughable this is.
                  What have you heard Romney say about his religion? Basically nothing. What do you know about his religion?

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                     JaxsonRaineposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     I can pretty much guarantee I know more about it than you do.
                     
                     But, do tell. What is so scary about it?

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                        rebekahELLEposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                        You may be surprised. I have a minor degree in World Religions.  Many religions are 'scary', in that they want to take over the world with their doctrine.  I think voters should make up their own minds and do their own research. 
                        And how funny, you think you're going to learn about a religion from it's own website?
                        It's called marketing.  It won't reveal the hidden hierarchy and practices that take place routinely.

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                           JaxsonRaineposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                           I don't care if you have a minor in World Religions. Unless you spent your whole life studying LDS doctrine, you probably won't have me beat.
                           
                           I'll tell you how to learn about a religion. Use the religion as a source, and also use external, independent sources. There is a huge difference between an external source on Mormonism, and an anti-Mormon source.
                           
                           But, as I said, please tell.

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                              Josakposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                              I don't think religion should really be relevant to the presidency as it's a personal choice but this is the thing that concerns me. Until 1978 the LDS banned black men and women from attending service because they believed that black people were black because they were stained by sin. Mitt is I believe a life long member of the LDS church and was born in 1947 meaning he would have been 30 before the ban was lifted it raises concerns for me that someone would be willing to associate with a plainly racist institution all the way into their 30s it's not something I think someone who is ethically sound could do.

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                                 JaxsonRaineposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                 The reasons for not giving the priesthood to blacks is more complicated than that....
                                 
                                 And they have always been allowed to attend, it was just that black men weren't given priesthood positions.

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                              rebekahELLEposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                              I'm not going to engage in a forum battle with who knows more, or prove what I know or don't know.  I simply expressed my opinion on this thread, and I think everyone should do their own research.

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                                 JaxsonRaineposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                                 I just want to know what you think is so scary about the Mormons.

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                     Shanna11posted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     What do YOU know about his religion? About MY Religion?

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                        JaxsonRaineposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                        Look out! Shanna's here!
                        
                        I got your back Shanna, I'll pull out Hugh Nibley if I need to!
                        
                        One thing I've noticed, is nobody subjects any other religion to the same level of scrutiny as they do Mormons. If any religious leader at any point in the history of the church, regardless of position, said something, they will try to call it official doctrine.
                        
                        Could you imagine if we were to look at what every member of the clergy in every church has ever said, looking for things to pick at?
                        
                        Sounds like the Christlike thing to me!

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                           Shanna11posted 12 years agoin reply to this

                           Eh. I don't have it in me to fight like I used to in the forums. People aren't going to change their minds. Sometimes though I just get testy when people lie outright or don't know what they're talking about and I can't help it.

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      tammybarnetteposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I knew little to nothing about mormonism so I looked it up and found this...http://carm.org/mormon-beliefs this is some strange stuff and a lot scarier than I expected to be honest...

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         JaxsonRaineposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         You really want to get your information about Mormonism from an anti-Mormon website?

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            Repairguy47posted 12 years agoin reply to this

            

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               tammybarnetteposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               It's a Christian website? Did not see anything anti-mormonism about that? It filled in the blanks of what I didn't know...I knew they believed in reincarnation and purgatory...Did not know this stuff, never heard of it...knew they had their other profit that wrote the book of mormon...

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                  tammybarnetteposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  Prophet- sorry

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                     tammybarnetteposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     It is called the Christian Apologetics Research Ministry....I would never say something about someones religion in order to be cruel, I am a dem, remember, believe or not anyway you so choose, I just thought it was scary...just being honest, not mean

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                  Shanna11posted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  Wait, Mormons believe in reincarnation?
                  
                  That's new to me! And I've been a Mormon my entire life. Hmm. Wonder how I missed that. Also, the purgatory thing is new.
                  
                  Try Mormon.org for more info. It's not perfect, but it's a heck of a better resource for factual information than a lot of websites out there.

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                     tammybarnetteposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     Please accept my apologiy, I truly mean no disrespect...I am a Christian, the site had a Christian name, could you tell me some about mormonism? I will look it up, I'm not lazy, I just like the personal touch...and please accept my sincere apology

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                  JaxsonRaineposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                  CARM puts out tons of factually incorrect, misleading stuff... they call Mormonism a non-Christian cult, and they consistently present things that aren't doctrine as doctrine.

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                     tammybarnetteposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                     Jax, I apologize to you as well, I feel just terrible about this, really!

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                        JaxsonRaineposted 12 years agoin reply to this

                        Hey, don't worry about it. I didn't mean to be rude about it.
                        
                        There has been an uncanny amount of opposition to the LDS church for its entire history... there are a LOT of lies out there.

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   Mighty Momposted 12 years ago

   I think he brought it in to help people remember the kinder, softer side of Mitt.
   
   Unless there is going to be a second wave of debate analysis that brings this to the dissection table after the binder meme fades, I think this is a non-issue.
   
   Agree with Jaxson here. Can't hurt (unless possibly with hardcore atheists -- how big is that voting bloc anyway?). Might help, especially with undecided women.
   But it's so overshadowed as to be rendered null.
   IMHO.
   MM

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      aguasilverposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      As both 'candidates' are bought and paid for by Goldman Sachs, I don't think it makes any difference which one of the stooges get 'selected' (elected would be too much of a definitive) they will do what their masters tell them to do. Same wolves wearing different clothes.

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         Petra Vlahposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         could not agree more

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   maxoxam41posted 12 years ago

   Do the electors see him as a mormon? Or is his religion totally obliterated to the profit of his physique and his political allegiance? If religion counted Obama would not win by only 4 points in the last Reuters' poll!

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   JaxsonRaineposted 12 years ago

   Mormonism in a nutshell:
   
   Christ came to earth and gave the priesthood to men. He established a church with a specific structure, consisting of prophets and apostles(men who are personal witnesses of Christ), and the priesthood to lead it.
   
   When the original apostles were killed, the priesthood was lost, as there was nobody left with the priesthood authority to lead the church.
   
   In the 1800s, God and Christ appeared to Joseph Smith, to restore the priesthood and Christ's church. Joseph Smith became a prophet, and there has been one ever since.
   
   Basic beliefs:(quoted from the Articles of Faith)
   
   We believe in God, the Eternal Father, and in His Son, Jesus Christ, and in the Holy Ghost.
   
   We believe that men will be punished for their own sins, and not for Adam's transgression.
   
   We believe that through the Atonement of Christ, all mankind may be saved, by obedience to the laws and ordinances of the Gospel.
   
   We believe that the first principles and ordinances of the Gospel are: first, Faith in the Lord Jesus Christ; second, Repentance; third, Baptism by immersion for the remission of sins; fourth, Laying on of hands for the gift of the Holy Ghost.
   
   We believe that a man must be called of God, by prophecy, and by the laying on of hands by those who are in authority, to preach the Gospel and administer in the ordinances thereof.
   
   We believe in the same organization that existed in the Primitive Church, namely, apostles, prophets, pastors, teachers, evangelists, and so forth.
   
   We believe in the gift of tongues, prophecy, revelation, visions, healing, interpretation of tongues, and so forth.
   
   We believe the Bible to be the word of God as far as it is translated correctly; we also believe the Book of Mormon to be the word of God.
   
   We believe all that God has revealed, all that He does now reveal, and we believe that He will yet reveal many great and important things pertaining to the Kingdom of God.
   
   We believe in the literal gathering of Israel and in the restoration of the Ten Tribes; that Zion (the New Jerusalem) will be built upon the American continent; that Christ will reign personally upon the earth; and, that the earth will be renewed and receive its paradisiacal glory.
   
   We claim the privilege of worshiping Almighty God according to the dictates of our own conscience, and allow all men the same privilege, let them worship how, where, or what they may.
   
   We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.
   
   We believe in being honest, true, chaste, benevolent, virtuous, and in doing good to all men; indeed, we may say that we follow the admonition of Paul—We believe all things, we hope all things, we have endured many things, and hope to be able to endure all things. If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things.
   
   For more, you can go to mormon.org, lds.org, or find some missionaries

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      tammybarnetteposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Thank you Jax, and for accepting my apology, I would never hurt another person especially for their religious beliefs...I will argue and debate, I will protect what I believe, but I am as gentle of a heart there is and I have learned a good lesson here...don't go by the site name,LOL, thank you again:)

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         JaxsonRaineposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         

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