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Separation of Church and State - Why don't people understand it?

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    JaxsonRaineposted 5 years ago
    1. Josak profile image60
      Josakposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      Actually it's sort of a tough one, by the Lemon test it's fine for #1 but #2 does the poem at a public school event advance the cause of religion? if so it's unconstitutional and I think one could make an argument that it does, #3 does it overly entangle the state with religion? Again I am pretty sure one could make an argument that it does.

      In the past the phrase "under God" has been ruled unconstitutional in schools even if non compulsory so one can hardly blame the school for being careful and redacting it from the poem.

      As for the first amendment fluff Fox tries to insert it's transparent bull, the Supreme Court upheld a schools right to censor and or punish non "symbolic" speech in several court cases that is just Fox being Faux.

    2. A Thousand Words profile image79
      A Thousand Wordsposted 5 years agoin reply to this

      I'm an "atheist" and I think they went too far. What are we going to move for next, the word "god" being taken out of old poetry books? LoL. This was a poem. It was a matter-of-factly statement, not her telling all the students in the class that they should bow down to God. What the hell?

      This is the extreme liberal version of the nonsense that happened a couple of years back in Texas. (basically ensuring that this nation will continue to lose our standing in the intellectual world...)

      1. Quilligrapher profile image88
        Quilligrapherposted 5 years agoin reply to this

        +1 I agree with you.

    3. wba108@yahoo.com profile image81
      wba108@yahoo.composted 5 years agoin reply to this

      I think the confusion comes from an ignorance of America's true history, the American education system has rewritten God out of our books. The courts have also created confusion about the role of religion in America by making policy decisions from the bench instead of interpreting the Constitution according to its original intent.

      The courts, in order to satify certain interests have erected a wall between church and state that would have shocked the founding generation. According to the Constitution and the the founders intent, expressed in the federalist papers the separation between church and state was to be institution only. In orther words they didn't want the church leadership running the government and they didn't want the government involved in church affairs. What they wanted to avoid was a state sponsored demonination as the British and most of Europe had. In Britain you could be persecuted, imprisoned or killed for not belonging to the Anglican church.

      At no time was it the intent of the founders to take religion out of the public square. The words and actions of the founding generation confirm that they actually wanted the state to encourage and promote a non sectarian Christianity.

  2. innersmiff profile image73
    innersmiffposted 5 years ago

    If it was only the line "He prayed to God for peace, he prayed to God for strength,” that's the problem, then I don't see how this is a statement promoting religion. It's a statement of fact (if he did). "He prayed to his God" is not a statement for, or against, religion, unless you believe the omitting of HIS God assumes it is 'our' and 'everyone's' God. I don't. I think the school was going overboard here.

  3. peeples profile image88
    peeplesposted 5 years ago

    I really get tired of other atheist making us all look like idiots. I don't believe in a God, but I don't care who else does. So long as someone is not standing in front of the class demanding my children say or believe I don't care. Just another bad apple.