New laws on abortion in New Mexico

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   wildernessposted 12 years ago

   Rep. Catherine Brown, (R) has submitted a bill that would declare that abortions of a fetus that is the result of "criminal penetration" (rape) or incest would be considered "tampering with evidence" and be a crime punishable by up to 3 years.
   
   http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/2 … ref=topbar
   
   http://www.nmlegis.gov/Sessions/13%20Re … HB0206.pdf
   
   Huffington:
   "UPDATE: 12:25 p.m. -- Brown said in a statement Thursday that she introduced the bill with the goal of punishing the person who commits incest or rape and then procures or facilitates an abortion to destroy the evidence of the crime.
   
   New Mexico needs to strengthen its laws to deter sex offenders, said Brown. By adding this law in New Mexico, we can help to protect women across our state."
   
   
   This is going to help and protect women??!!  Is there a single person in the state of New Mexico that actually believes that crap?  This is nothing but another attempt to make an end run around Roe vs Wade and ban abortions - it can be viewed as nothing else.
   
   How do such people ever get elected to office?  People that are both willing and eager to run roughshod over everyone not accepting their particular brand of theology?  Who votes for anyone with such utter disregard for the people that put them in office?  Are there that many idiots and morons in New Mexico?
   
   Or is it just another public event to buy votes?  With both houses controlled by Democrats it will never pass - is she just placating a handful of voters?  No wonder our politicians can't accomplish anything worthwhile - their time is taken up with nonsense like this!

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      gmwilliamsposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      That "woman" is totally amiss.   She needs to resign from Congress and to return to college to take some  courses in logic and critical thinking.   Obviously, she is lacking in these skills.

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         wildernessposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         It's just incredible that anyone, anyone at all, could spout such absolute nonsense.  The think  it is one of our leaders, tasked with guiding America, is beyond belief.

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      JimTxMillerposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      It was because of idiotic questions like this one that I never took debate back in high school.  Inevitably I would get stuck having to argue the PRO side! Little wonder so many trial attorneys are warped, leave law and go to Congress.

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         wildernessposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Warped?  This woman makes a pretzel look straight!

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            Motown2Chitownposted 12 years agoin reply to this

            Well, you know, wilderness....that pregnancy is the only 'evidence' that a rape has been committed.  The other physical damage that a woman endures certainly isn't.  Bruising, lacerations, that's nothing.  Rape kits are pretty useless, right?!  I mean they only provide semen (containing an offender's DNA).  What possible use could that be?  The medical examination that proves that sexual intercourse was forced upon an unwilling recipient....well, doctors don't know anything these days.
            
            What a bunch of bullshit!  Please assure me that you recognize the sarcasm in my words above. 
            
            Sickening.
            
            *Edit - Oh, and let's add on to the psychological and physical trauma that this woman is enduring by treating her like a criminal.  After all - she was asking for it, wasn't she?
            
            

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               wildernessposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               She must have been asking for it; we all know from other politicians that you can't get pregnant from a rape.  The female body "shuts down" or something and refuses to become pregnant.  I assume the same reasoning applies to incest as well - the uterus knows the male is closely related and refuses any pregnancy.
               
               I'm so glad we elect only intelligent, caring politicians to lead us!
               
               Yeah, Motown, the sarcasm does tend to show through just a bit. 

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      adjkp25posted 12 years agoin reply to this

      If men have to turn in their "man cards" for doing something less than masculine she should have to return her "woman card" for proposing something so asinine.
      
      It is a shame that some politicians in this country are actually concocting these radical ideas, maybe they need a hobby or something since they obviously have too much free time on their hands.

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         wildernessposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Oh, it's not a radical idea at all - at the root is "ban abortions" - it's been around for decades.  It's just pathetic that it's reached the point that such reasoning is the only thing left to the proponents and that they are stupid enough to actually use that reasoning and try to convince we the people that it makes sense.
         
         Nor does it matter who says these things. Man, woman, child - heck the monkey swinging from the tree branch - can see right through the lies inherent in it.  Only those desperate enough to stoop to anything at all to exert control control over others would have any hope at all that listeners would be sucked in.

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            adjkp25posted 12 years agoin reply to this

            I know that there has been a push to ban all abortions but this is the most radical way I have seen it.  I guess she should get credit for thinking up the biggest whopper of a way that I have heard of so far.

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               wildernessposted 12 years agoin reply to this

               She needs to quit her day job and go to work at BurgerKing.  She'd be a hit at the Home of the Whopper.

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      Brenda Durhamposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Good grief.
      
      The woman is foolish.
      
      But wow .......I thought maybe liberals would love that law!   After all, it de-personalizes the fetus into just a "thing",  just like abortion does.
      
      
      I'm appalled that the rights of the  unborn are subjected to both unconscienable views.

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         wildernessposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Oh, I don't know, Brenda.  The child, after being born, is the "thing" - just evidence to be used to convict the rapist. 
         
         Of course, anything a child has to offer (DNA) is just as available from an aborted fetus, but of course that isn't the point of the law.  It's to make abortions illegal.  ALL abortions, starting with those brought about by rape and/or incest.

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      Ralph Deedsposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Another nail in the GOP's coffin. They just don't get it.

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         wildernessposted 12 years agoin reply to this

         Naw - I doubt that anyone, let alone the fine GOP politicians, would want the votes of anyone that voted for that pathetic creature.

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   SomewayOuttaHereposted 12 years ago

   that's bad...the senator must think everyone is stupid....errrr....or maybe she's just stooopid....more white noise...however it is only a bill being submitted, not passed....sheesh i wonder how much time and money goes into various bills that are submitted by stoooopid people.  Stupid people scare me btw!

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   Gypsy Willowposted 12 years ago

   Unbelievable. Now I've seen everything!

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   peeplesposted 12 years ago

   As a rape and incest survivor I am going to take an odd stance on this. I somewhat understand the point of having the pregnancy as evidence. In cases of long term sexual abuse a rape kit does nothing unless the victim just happens to finally tell right after an abusive moment. On top of that situations involving children/teens being raped by a family member there is always a possibility of the child just being angry and claiming something happened that didn't.
   However there is testing that could be preformed after aborting to determine the DNA.
   I understand what they are trying to do. By making it illegal it will make it easier to catch cases like incest. I just think there are other ways of fixing this problem.

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      Motown2Chitownposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I see where you're coming from, peeples.  My problem with it is that it will result in treating a woman who has already been traumatized as a criminal - threatening her with punishment of up to three years in prison.  I HATE that!  A woman who is put in a position (after rape or incest) where she has to consider abortion is already suffering such emotional turmoil that I think the absolute last thing on her mind should be legal repercussions.

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