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Since Roe vs. Wade, there have been more than 55 million abortions in America. Does anyone care?
How do you personally feel about this number? They say 86% of abortions today are done out of CONVENIENCE. Isn't the number sobering when you think of all the lives lost? This year marked the 40th year since that decision.
"Women who have had an abortion have an 81 percent higher risk of subsequent mental health problems compared to women who have not had an abortion.
"Women with a history of abortion have higher rates of anxiety, depression, alcohol use/misuse, marijuana use, and suicidal behavior, compared to those who have not had an abortion."
Are we in the last days?
I will try to approach this subject from a slightly different perspective.
The Philippines is a country/island where United States colonialism has had quite a strong influence. Most people in the Philippines are Catholic and as such, abortion is a big "no-no". With that in mind, the Philippines is the fastest growing population in Asia.
I personally know many people from the Philippines who have migrated here in Canada and I know some who have migrated to the United States. One family I was speaking to last week, lived in Philadelphia.
So, why do they leave the Philippines? Because it's too crowded there; there are very little opportunities and child poverty is on the rise. At the same time, many Americans (and not just Americans, Canadians, Italians, French, etc.) do not like the idea of having more migrants move into their countries.
Can we keep multiplying at the rate that we are multiplying without drastically changing the fabric of societies all over the world? And what about the poverty, disease and pain which we put children thorough by letting them enter a completely unsafe environment for them? I am not sure ... You can decide. And while deciding, take a look at the following link from UNICEF (United Nations Children's Fund): http://www.trust.org/item/?map=child-po … es-unicef/
I for one, am of the opinion that not everyone should have children. Some parents are simply not fit to be parents (and I have many examples of such cases) and some parents become parents not because they wished to but because it happened ... it's great to be a child of an unwanted pregnancy, no?
Well, I for one was told by my own father "I never wanted you, it was your mother's idea." I am the youngest of seven. It hurts to know my father did not want me BUT my father in heaven wants me and loves me and I in turn love and adore him.
Mr. Happy, I agree that many people are not fit to be parents. That is a sad reality. However I don't believe the solution is to murder the children that will be born. If efforts were increased to educate would-be parents, children would benefit.
Your statement is intelligent & analytical.Women have the right to have the children they want & can effectively raise financially,psychologically & emotionally.No woman should endure an UNWANTED pregnancy & no child should be UNWANTE
If no one cared there would be no heated debates during every election! I'm fairly certain people who support gun control are also asking; "Does anyone care?"
No, these are not the "last days"! I suspect there are many who (hope) these are the last days. This is especially true of anyone who is (unhappy) with their own life and are tired or frustrated with observing how (other) people choose to live their life.
Oftentimes it all comes down to one's "perspective" concerning the state of the world. Right now there is someone laying on a beach in Cancun sipping on a mango daiquiri or maybe on the island of Maui drinking a ma tai watching the waves roll in through their sunglasses and listening to music on their iPod. Odds are they're fairly happy with life on earth. Happy people tend not to be the ones who are looking for signs of the end days.
I'm fairly certain there are those who were living during World War I, "The Great Depression", World War II, The Cuban Missile Crisis, and on up to "Y2K", 9-11, and 12/12/12 who believed the world was coming to an end.
According to the bible no one knows "the hour". Even if we knew for sure the last day would be in the year 5023 it shouldn't effect one's beliefs or their behavior. Each of us is responsible for our decisions and choices. Only after death do we get all the answers.
Well said. We are not to worry about the last days, eventhough things seem a little crazy in the world right now. I for one TRUST God and when he decides it's over, then we will all know it's over. Amen.
For clarification, If you are referring to my answer, dashingscorpio, you will note that I said "not enough people," not "no one cares." No doubt many people are against murder, but not enough as of yet.
CalebSparks, I had not read your answer. I was referring to the last sentence of (the original question) asked by MissMelissaK
Abortion should be a legal, affordable and available medical service for women everywhere. Because if it's not, abortion will still happen, it'll just involve desperate women risking hurting themselves because they can't, for whatever reason, go through with the pregnancy.
The problem is that we need better sex education, we need to teach people about proper protection and how to have safe sex. That's the only way to reduce abortions.
Also, WHO says 86% of abortions are done out of "convenience"? I'm questioning the source material for your numbers. If convenience means, I can't have a child right now, and counts for everything - being raped, incest, etc., then maybe, and the other 14% are because the mother is sick or the fetus is dying/already dead. But I would seriously question anyone who calls it "convenience" just because the mother's life is not on the line.
Thanks for your take, aliasis. I must say, you mentioned that abortions will continue...this is true to some extent. However, abortion as whole would decrease if it was suddenly more difficult to find someone to do it.
If you Google the 86%, you will see the study all over the web cited in different articles. Do you really believe "better" sex education is the solution? Does this sex education factor in rebellion, deviance and perversion as well?
Another intelligent voice of reason. Abortion should remain legal & accessible. Women have the right to reproductive freedom. No woman should be forced to endure an unwanted pregnancy which is not good for her psychologically.
Cutting abortion is cutting women's rights. If a woman wants an abortion, I believe she should have it, without people accusing her. Melissa, I don't really follow - getting pregnant is not a "perversion". But sex ed DOES decrease "accidents", yes.
What about the child's life?? As Americans we are afforded the rights to "LIFE," liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. The woman's rights were whether to use protection!! And I do not want to hear this rape card again either. The percentage is minis
Fetus isn't a baby- no brain, thought, ability to feel pain, emotion. It's human potential at best. I care about REAL babies and children. JThomp, women don't always have the "choice". And why would you make pregnancy a punishment for women?
Every one of my six children was just as real in my womb as they were when they emerged. You were a unique, wonderful human from conception. I'm glad your mother chose life, and I hope you are, too.
Since when is a BABY ever considered a punishment? Careful, I never said getting pregnant is a perversion. I'm saying education does not cover all those who REJECT the sex ed and go do whatever they feel like whenever they want.
kschimmel - Here's an anecdote. My best friend wouldn't have been born if her mother didn't have an abortion earlier. The abortion basically saved her mother's life, and allowed her to make the choice of children when she was ready. Don't judge fast.
A lot of people care, and we're praying that this ends. It will end, in God's time.
I don't consider abortion a life lost, because I don't consider an unviable fetus equivalent to a born human being. It was a potential human life, just like every sperm and egg are (an embryo or fetus are simply a little further along in development), but it didn't come to fruition, so I don't see it as 'lives lost'. I don't in any way equate it with 'killing a child' and frankly consider that an absurd, extremist point of view.
As for the profile for the typical woman who have abortions, I don't believe women become anxious, drug addicts, suicidal and depressed because they had abortions. I think women who have anxiety, depression, who used drugs, etc. are more likely to be promiscuous and irresponsible when it comes to protecting themselves during sex, which is why they are more likely to get pregnant and have abortions. So it's really not a surprise the abortion rate of such women are high.
Women who have all their stuff together, who are more responsible when it comes to birth control and lifestyle, are simply less likely to find themselves in the situation of having unwanted pregnancies; and when they do get pregnant, they're usually in a more stable relationship with a more stable guy and they're better equipped to start a family.
I agree, we need to lower the amount of abortions; not because of the number of aborted fetuses, but because elective abortions are usually (not always) the results of reckless behavior that is unhealthy for the people who engage in it, and it would be nice for society to figure out a way to make people more responsible, have higher self-esteem and treat their bodies with more respect. Until then, it's best not to bring more children in the world to the people least equipped to provide stable homes.
Nope... we're not in any 'last days'. Women have always had abortions throughout the ages using herbs and other various means; it's nothing new.
Totally agree with your sharp analysis of the matter at hand.Yes, abortion should be accessible. Also, in order for the amount of abortions to be decreased, there must be more comprehensive contraceptive education for all involved.
Ty; I agree abortion & contraceptive ed. should be available, I think the problem goes deeper; promiscuity and reckless behavior are more rooted in psycho-sociological problems- people w/low self-esteem and make strings of irresponsible choices.
Guys with high self-esteem boast they could have had her in a minute.If anything its the powerful NARCISSTIC manipulators who are extremely persuasive who are part of the problem and are wrecking havoc and don't care. Its not really low self-esteem.
People with low self esteem are more easily manipulated. And narcissistic behavior often is a mask for self-esteem problems.
I'd like to first make clear that I do not support abortion before I call into question the number you quote. Even one aborted child is too many, but accurate figures on the number of abortions, percentages of 'convenience abortions' and attempts at single issue correlations with mental illness and substance abuse is a hyperbole tactic that hurts the cause of ending abortion. Just like alcohol is legal, but driving under the influence is not, the real fight is to end drunk driving, not ban alcohol (that was tried, of course, and failed miserably). Abortion has the same dynamic as alcohol, as does the death penalty. Abortion is legal, and should remain so, but still needs to be fought against. Just like we cannot force a religion on someone, but instead at winning the individual heart, so too addressing abortion. To fight and injustice, we need to engage in critical, logical thinking which in turn gives us far, far better tactics and strategies for remediation.
Abortion is a lot better than the life of an unwanted child, especially if that child is born into poverty and ignorance. It is disingenuous to pretend to be pro-life, when your concern stops after the birth of the child. But it goes even further, as many "pro-lifers" support taking that very life, that they claim to be fighting for, if the individual...latter in life....commits a capital crime.
Also, has anyone noticed how overpopulated this planet is? Does an ancient fairy tale and extreme politics take precedence over this reality? Only humans can control the human population. We need to stop overpopulating this planet. Human life is no more sacred than any other form of life, no matter what your political beliefs are, or what you think your ancient holy books say.
Why is it that the same people who are anti-abortion also anti-contraceptive? Contraceptive measures is the best way to cut down on the abortion rate. But I guess we are to practice abstinence only. And sex is suppose to only be for reproduction purposes...for married heterosexual couples. lol. How absurd.
Murder is never the answer. God is NOT AN ANCIENT Fairytale. God is real and alive and he's in control of everything. You can't prove he is a fairy tale. That is a lie from Satan. Tell God to his face it's absurd. He created you.
Wow! MissMelissa. No offense, but I can't believe I am still hearing someone say something like this at this time in History. It seems almost surreal that this is still the narrow world view of so many. SATAN! Really? You still believe in Satan?
Getitrite, YES. Couldn't have said it better. How many unwanted children are abused & otherwise mistreated by parents who DIDN'T want them in the first place. It is better to terminate an unwanted pregnancy than to have an unwanted child !
I believe in God and I also believe that Satan is real and roaming the earth looking for souls to devour. Your tone suggested I'd be offended. I'm not offended for I know the TRUTH written by GOD in the Bible.
" It is better to terminate an unwanted pregnancy than to have an unwanted child !" Well why stop there, there are plenty of unwanted children already born - just kill them all. After all a child isn't the same as an adult human being.
Really Melissa? With all the information available today, it is absurd to continue these primitive beliefs? If you were to base your opposition to abortion on REAL morals, you would have some credibility, but not with ancient religious nonsense.
getitrite....... So you believe in killing innocent children. What if they make it mandatory due to population control? Kill all of the female fetus's so they cannot reproduce.
gotitwrong - so what is your evidence there is no satan? here are 6 evidences that there is...http://biblocality.com/forums/showthread.php?3052-6-Evidences-for-the-Existence-of-Satan where is your proof?or were you told that by your primate ancestors
No I don't support killing innocent children. I support a women's right to choose what she does with her body. It is your God who supports killing innocent children, as he allows plenty of BORN children to starve in the Third World...daily.
getirite.... you speaking of God is like a paper boy trying to have a conversation about physics. It ain't happening because neither of you have a clue
Getitrite - What you avail as ancient religious nonsense is the Word of God. He created you. His Word is the truth and it has stood for over 2,000 years. It is anything BUT nonsense. It is definitely not primitive. It is REAL and ALIVE today!
Statistic says that I have more of a clue than you do. And since there are over 3000 denominations of Christianity, it would appear that either all of them have a clue, or they are all clueless. Which category are you in? Self righteous? OK. Lol
getitrite - You are going to base your life on statistics. Meanwhile JT is going to base his life on GOD. Are you saying that all the intelligent men in years past were idiots and fools for believing in God?? Like C.S. Lewis? Really?
gotitallwrong sure does think he knows something when he clearly demonstrates he knows nothing, nothing about Christianity but he is good at nor answering my question - because he can't. Proverbs 4:19 applies here.
Well said Melissa!! getirite.......... do your homework before you start bashing others! Including my God, who by the way created you!
Dear Melissa, most intelligent men don't believe in God. Stephen Hawking, Bill Gates, Thomas Edison, Warren Buffet, Mark Twain, Voltaire, Thomas Paine, Mark Zuckerberg. CS Lewis is an exception. Statistics has already explained this. U are mistaken
The fact that someone smarter than us rejects some belief is not a good enough reason to do the same. The idea that it might be is a straightforward example of a fallacious argument from authority. The error of such thinking should be obvious.
Dear Getirite, you come across as haughty, arrogant and prideful and I've never met you Pride always comes before the fall and pride always meets its match. You assume only idiots believe in God. God have mercy on your soul when the chips are down.
tsadjatko. Its good that you explained the authority fallacy. But if you check the comments, it was Melissa who first brought that up. I was merely responding. So thanks for setting her straight. BTW, where is the evidence that God wrote the bible?
If it applies to her it certainly applies to you but you think you are exempt - or you knowingly made the same mistake - very intelligent! How about answering my question before changing the subject -you can't but you won't admit it, very intelligent
getirite.......... Of course these men do not believe. "Hollywood" and techies! Here is a list that did "believe." George Washington, James Madison (who wrote the declaration of Independence) Patrick Henry, Thomas Jefferson, and all of our founding f
tsadjatko, please stop presenting strawman arguments. I simply never see anyone oppose abortion based purely on a rational view. I was simply telling Melissa that if she did that instead of preaching it would be better. Religion's too confrontational
Absolutely heinous!! We as a civilized country need to be totally ashamed of ourselves to have "murdered" 55 million innocent, precious children. That is a baby as soon as it is conceived. Pro-choice people want to play around with numbers as to when this is a human being. This is a God given human being as soon as that baby is conceived. God does not make mistakes, "People do!!"
Many in our country sadly have rejected and dismissed God and more and more people see him as nothing but a fairy tale. Remember, GOD WILL NOT BE MOCKED. Our country will be in for a rude awakening if it keeps this up FROM GOD HIMSELF!
Yes, it has already happened I'm afraid Melissa. Things are only going to get worse.
This number is staggering and so very sad. I could go on and on but I am speechless in pain from this statistic. I think the last days a surely here, however they may be long suffering. I pray we continue to shine a light for Christ and I know then we will one day unite with these lost little souls. I believe they are safe in His arms and what a beautiful greeting it will be to see our Father and all these beauties at the same time. Thank you for you heart and asking this most serious and poingant question.I pray those reading your question will resist the schemes of this world.
Peace to you and blessings
I plead with you to make abortions illegal and then take on the bill of paying for every one of those children. I want you to pay for their housing, their food, their therapy when the parent who didn't want them abuses them. I want you to make up for the mental drainage caused to the mothers who were raped and conceived a child that wasn't asked for. I want you to be there in the labor room with every one of them and make sure they don't have any worries about how they are going to care for the child. I want you to explain to all the foster children, how there are plenty of adoptive families available. I want to make sure you aren't the same person who complains about abortions when women are pregnant, then complains when they collect welfare after they decide to have the child.
What anyone does with the inside of their own bodies is no one else's business. The law is the law and until everyone against it can step up and find a solution to supporting those extra 55 million that would have been born, then no one has a point in complaining about the law.
WELL SAID. I've found that the majority of the "pro-life" crowd also doesn't seem to want to fund programs for children, schools, single parents, and low-income families. Let women make their own decisions - it's hard enough for them as it is!
So you defend murdering 55 million souls? What if the government starts to eliminate the weak, the disabled, the elderly, etc. for the very same reasons you mentioned. Are you going to stand by your government if they decide to eliminate them?
Melissa: weak and elderly are people. Fetuses are fetuses. You can religious pray for the "souls" but in the end, they are cells that can't think, feel emotions or pain, do anything (despite what your pro-life literature may make up). Not the same!
According to your response the only women getting abortions are rape victims then. 55 million rape victims? That's a lot of raping. I bet very very few get abortions because they were raped. I would like to see some numbers.
Cree - babies do have rights. I donate to charities that help children in poverty (do you?). But yes, a woman does have more rights than a couple of cells inside her womb. It's ridiculous to compare a fetus to a baby. Women have rights to their body.
You may think it's not the same aliasis, but I'm not sure God would agree with you. What about the rights of the baby? A woman should be given the right to kill? Should the child have that same right to kill an inconvenient mother? No, right.
Since I'm an atheist, Christian mythology isn't a priority for me, but as a humanist, human rights are VERY important. Like the right of a woman to decide whether or not to become a mother, and the rights of real babies to live safe and healthy lives
Cree rape victims were included, it wasn't inclusive. Melissa, outside of praying for them, what would you do to solve the problems that come from making abortions illegal?
All these pro-lifers who want women to have unwanted child. Just give all the children to the pro-lifers to raise and see HOW quick they can their pro-life stance. Peeples, preach, preach! Another person who makes solid sense!
No, only because it is up to and the decision of the mother, for whatever reason, to decide whether to have one or not. It is none of my business or anyone else's. Period. I have not walked in these women's shoes and I have no right to judge them for their decision and neither do you.
This is what is wrong with the world. Too many people put their noses in business that is none of their business. While, I believe there are better methods of birth control rather than having an abortion, it is still not my business or anyone else's.
Whether abortions are legal or not, women will have them and doctors will give them or worse yet, midwives will do it. When abortions were illegal too many women have been butchered to death by incompetent doctors or non-medical people doing them.
We have important things to worry about, poverty, inequality of classes, health insurance, economic problems, entitlement reform, to take care of in this country for the people that are already here. We should not be concerned about women privately taking care of their own bodies.
Too many people do not believe a fetus is a life - many do not believe in life at the point of conception - and you cannot press for force your views on someone else. Many do not believe the baby is a life until it is born. Again, you cannot force your opinions on someone else. No one is required to believe as you do.
Therefore, work to find solutions to the real problems here in our country and leave women's private health decisions and issues just that -private.
Thank you gmwilliams for your support. As you can see, the author of the question has not made any comments because she knows this is none of her business.
Yo do not care about the murders of innocent children?? God help you!!
I just saw your comment so you are wrong to judge me as assuming she knows, etc. It is God's place to judge those who murder, not mine. I'm saddened by the loss of so many babies and that was the main point of my thread. It wasn't to judge.
MissMelissak - how dare you question suzette. She has all the answers and even knows what you think and why you behave the way you do...typical of this type of person.
JThomp42: Some people do not believe the fetus is a life until it is born, therefore abortion is not the murder of an innocent child. Wake up to reality. Not all people believe the same way you do. Abortion is a private health matter.
AT 26 weeks?? C' mon!! A baby can be aborted at 26 weeks. Look it up instead of thinking you already know it all.
Some people believe if you are not a Muslim you are an infidel and should be killed. The "some people believe" defense, that's intelligent reasoning.
You are missing my point. You assume the fetus is a life. Look at WiccanSage's comment - not all people believe that a fetus is a viable life, therefore there is no loss of life, there is no murder. So, they are not appalled as you are.
No you are missing THE point - what people believe doesn't make it a fact. The fact is without a fetus there can never be a human being - quite simple therefore a fetus IS a human being. No different than without a child you cannot have an adult.
Actually the majority of women who have abortions are from low-income, healthcare deprived minorities. Whoever "they" is should check their facts. How many children are not here because their mother used birth control pills, and IUD, condoms, or any other form of interference with the natural mating process? Are those children any less "not here" than those who were aborted? Pro-lifers are pro-choice also. They just approve of their choice of birth control and have selected one to single out as evil. It's an easy choice because for most of them abortion will never be an issue in their lives or the lives of anyone they know. It's easy to be committed to a cause that costs you nothing.
We are certainly closer to the end times than ever before - simply by the passage of time. The Bible says we won't know the time or the season when Christ comes back. Yes, I know the Bible. Abortion is not a Christian or non-Christian issue. And not all Christians view this from the same point of view.
Women who suffer from anxiety, depression and all the rest no doubt do so for a reason: the judgment of people who have strong opinions about a subject that requires nothing of them. When will we Christians feel strongly about the fact that the biggest danger to a woman from age 15 and 55 is the man in her life? Possibly if we tackled that issue, abortions wouldn't be needed so often in the first place.
Sorry to come down so strongly on your well-meaning question, but I've about had my fill of this issue being the litmus test for Christianity.
The difference between say using a condom or IUD and abortion is life. Abortion takes place AFTER human life has been created. That is a strawman argument.
And you know when life begins? (An IUD aborts a fertilized egg after it has been created not before.)
MissMelissa- I understand your feelings. But I've got to ask. Do you think there were no abortions before Rowe V Wade? Throughout history the number of abortions probably dwarf the number since R V W. Also, the methods were barbaric. Women were butchered by back door abortionists. Before them it would be a kick to the stomach or some other primitive method. Speak of mental problems.
And do not blame anything on men. Men have absolutely no say in whether his child is aborted or not. Women can say "No". except in the case of rape. Many women would die without an abortion. What about their right to life? Women can also say "No" to abortion. But the rest should be able to make up their own mind.
What is right or wrong for you, is up to you. What is right or wrong for someone else, is not up to you. I respect your commitment to God and these days that is difficult. But the world we live in requires acceptance; even if you don't agree. Pray for these people's welfare and do not stress over things that you cannot control. God gave you that ability.
I do not have all the answers. I agree that we should pray for these people. The greatest commandment is to love. As much as I hate the murder of innocent children, I cannot control the actions of other people. I will pray for them.
Say a special prayer for Mr. Getitrite. He needs all he can get. Not because of his abortion stance, but because he seems so consumed by his own misery. I've heard that misery enjoys company. Don't be a victim.
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The question is does anyone care that since Roe vrs. Wade there have been more than 55 million sanctioned murders of unborn human beings in the US. Yes murders of human beings, not sperm or eggs (which unless united to form a fetus have no chance of ever becoming a human being).
Call it whatever you want, abortion, freedom to choose or a woman's right the only honest description of abortion in the US is that it is a legalized murder of an unborn human being.
So let's be honest "does anyone care?"
"86% of abortions today are done out of CONVENIENCE" those people must not care.
"Women who have had an abortion have an 81 percent higher risk of subsequent mental health problems compared to women who have not had an abortion." if they didn't care maybe they care....now.
"Women with a history of abortion have higher rates of anxiety, depression, alcohol use/misuse, marijuana use, and suicidal behavior, compared to those who have not had an abortion." if they didn't care maybe they care....now.
Truth is many people care. I'd venture to guess many more people care that 55 million innocent people have been legally murdered in the safety and security of their mother's womb than don't care. Recent polls reveal that the majority of American women support abortion restrictions. This is unsurprising, since unfettered abortion access hurts women and gives men a sexual advantage.
In the end abortion is not the sign of the end times...it has been going on since sin entered the human race. Within one generation of Adam and Eve murder entered on the scene of human history and it has only gotten worse ever since.
What is probably the most appalling aspect of abortion is that millions of mothers, who in this country can put her baby up for adoption, rather than err on the side of not committing a murder of her own flesh and blood would choose to murder her baby for convenience never even imagining that if her mother had done the same SHE wouldn't even be alive. This is the result of the influences of the Godless which will one day be judged and those who have not repented and accepted the atonement God has provided through his son, Jesus Christ will pay an eternal price for the sins, and the murders they have committed. Small price to pay for the convenience of legally murdering your fetus? I think not.
Wow! What you said was pretty powerful and honest. There are many men who USE women like sexual ashtrays and ask them to get rid of the baby, especially if they were just USING the mother. This is unfortunate and true.
Thanks MissM, but sadly the pro-abortion crowd has the mindset that they know what is best, do not believe in the God of creation and by their own commitment to their position on abortion must wear "55 million murdered" as a badge of accomplishment.
pro-choice is not pro-abortion. Most of us who are pro-choice don't presume to have the right to tell other women to do with their bodies. I am pro-choice, but would never have an abortion myself.
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