WHen my wife and I had to decide where to live on the mainland once we left Hawaii, I told her Texas was definitely off of my list. That annoying in your face conservatism and arrogant rightwing advocacy made the place more uninhabitable than the moon. And from my perspective, Florida is no nirvana, but, still, it is not Texas, yet.
They lived down to my worst expectations.
What the story about this new anti-abortion law of theirs?
A little background::
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/ … uth-dakota
https://www.npr.org/2021/09/01/10332021 … ppens-next
We are talking about having neighbors, complete strangers turn in anyone they suspect is aiding or assisting a woman in pursuit of an abortion. What if I decided to help a woman under the terms of Roe vs Wade obtain an abortion outside of this cretin state, could I still be sued? With a $10,000.00 bounty, imagine the depth and breath of the assorted scum that will rise to the challenge.
As the article says many of the woman carrying fetuses may well be unaware of their pregnancy. The whole idea of this "reporting" reeks of fascism and Nazism. No exemption for rape or incest? But, again this is Texas and this is typical.
Other crimson red states seeks to duplicate what has happened in Texas. I can't imaging the anxiety of our modern maidens that have the misfortune of living there. Your neighbors are watching and sticking their noses in a business that was completely legal under Roe vs Wade.
You right winged oriented women by supporting Trump and the right wing tribunal that is to pass for the Supreme Court who chose to stick its head in the sand, will now get what you deserve and what you asked for.
Fembots, incubation machines, rightnow. Many other impositions are planned to make control of your reproduction processes just the beginning on a slippery slope.
So, for you anti choice people, what is Texas going to do to stop women from going to Mexico or more progressive states, like nearby Colorado or even California. How far
will they go?
Texas can do nothing to stop a woman from traveling out of the state to obtain an abortion in another state or country.
Some women need to murder their conceived child.
At conception, the spark of a human begins its formation.
If it were not for the spark, the fetus would not proceed with the life set in motion by the contact of sperm and ovum. And that is science.
An abortion is murder, since conception / LIFE is halted.
What if a man knew the woman he impregnated would go to jail for murdering this life?
Would he be so enthusiastic to have random hookups?
Would a woman?
There are legal consequences for murder, after all.
No woman should ever endure an UNINTENDED, UNWANTED pregnancy. That is THE HEIGHT of barbarism. I am pro-choice 100%. Before legalized abortion, girls/women who became accidentally pregnant had to (1) undergo secret, even dangerous abortions, (2) had children they didn't want-curtailing, even short circuiting their lives or abusing the children because they DIDN'T want them. I believe in a woman's right to a safe abortion. I believe that ALL children should be planned/wanted. That is all I have to say in the matter. Any woman who is against abortion is a gender traitor.
Kathryn, I buy your thoughts completely.
The price to play for an abortion would be jail time.
Man, would you think twice about having sex outside of a marriage situation!
"The price to play(pay?) for an abortion would be jail time(term?)." You're reading much to crack your brain? Lol! That I agree. But seriously, abortion is murder. When you kill a person, what do the law said? Your life goes for the life you take away! But a Judge can be lenient and commute the death sentense to life or lesser options. Yep, what d'you thought?
- well, yes. Lets say she spends a year in "jail." Lets say, she is educated there concerning the development of embryo, fetus, infant and all aspects of child development. She would receive training in Science, Nutrition, First Aid and CPR. After all, if she is so unlucky to get pregnant, she might need a little remedial help in life. She would be expected to take tests and receive passing scores.
This year of confinement and education after an abortion would be a very valuable experience. The so-called jail could be more of a center where a girl is restricted in freedom, but not treated too badly. It would not be a real jail, but a modified detention facility with many suitable features. (Not comfortable enough to encourage the getting of abortions for the purpose being taken care of, though.)
Failing the tests would not be punishable, but passing the tests would surely provide these unlucky females certain advantages on their resumes. Who would resent the opportunity to jumpstart one's path toward higher education, employment or motherhood?
What if the female who murdered her child is quite educated and successful? Oh well, she is treated like any other unlucky (murdering) female. Pass the tests, get the Certificate.
One Size would Fit All.
Credence, I need enlightening of "COYETE".
Tell that to a woman who has been raped.
But they should not have a reason to do so. Or should they?
Exactly, women shouldn't have to go to another state to get an abortion.
Actually the Government has no say what we can do with our own bodies, including religions.
They screw with us anywhere, those greedy power hungry bastards.
I thought the US was the land of the free. But apparently not for women living in Texas.
Had the left considered reasonable restrictions Texas probably wouldn’t have gone that path but when well placed democrats insist there should be absolutely no restrictions on abortion, even up to and through the last trimester, laws like this one being tried out are inevitable.
The fact is...
To different things.
The Republicans made these restrictions, they didn't have to do it. You can always find an external excuse Live to Learn.
100 percent pure bullsh*t, absolutely pure.
Refuge of a typical rightwinger, hide and make excuses for the tyrant and tyrannical behavior that support your attitudes and values, having nothing to do with a balanced observation.
No use in your even pretending neutrality on the issues of the day L to L when you make silly admissions like you just did here.
Is this just one of the many symptoms of Rightwinger madness disease?
I’m not sure what caused you to come back with that but, seriously. If one side refuses to be reasonable why would one expect the other far end to come out with different behavior?
I don’t agree with the Texas law but I can certainly see how we’ve come to this. Instead of accusing me of madness maybe listening and attempting to see where another human being is coming from would be the better option? I will say, you used to display an ability to do that and I miss it.
You disappoint me, you used to be so much more of an impartial observer.
I don't like conservatives nor conservative based politics and I don't hide that, although it is nothing personal.
You have supported rightwing partisan politics regardless of the big picture. You can accept the state of Texas putting a lockbox on your womb if you lived there?
I have supported Roe vs Wade and that is NOT abortion on demand. Why do conservatives continue use to insist on violating the shaky truce between Left and Right on this matter?
I am listening, what say you?
I believe the left is abusing the truce, where abortion is concerned. I think six weeks is an insane limit but there has to be a limit and, until the left begins to understand that the country is evenly divided on whether abortion should be legal or not, that reasonable safeguards should be in place to protect the sanctity of life and stops deciding whether a life form is a fetus or a human being only by the whim of their personal attachment to the individual potential human in question there will be controversy.
I’m pro choice but only for measured and reasoned choice that takes into account that a potential human’s life is in the balance.
I just find the left incredibly short sighted and callous on the extended questions we must grapple with on this issue. The greater our knowledge becomes the more we have to fine tune our understanding, on any issue. These line in the sand, dogmatic beliefs (such as your argument portrays) do not help us continue our country’s long standing desire to grow increasingly inclusive of the rights of all.
Texas chose the wrong line, IMO, but a line needs to be agreed on.
Can any kind one give me a link to the Roe vs.Wade story? Thanks.
Just type it into any search engine. It was a landmark case in America that gave women legal access to abortion.
Lol. Make sure you add the e at the end of dud. Otherwise it kind of looks like an insult.
They would/could not do this if there were no Covid 19 issues to deal with.
They overstep in the name of getting the country back into gear economically and financially.
I understand the basis of their insistence.
But is it constitutional?
When the penalty for aborting after rape is more severe than the penalty for rape, that's when you know it's a war on women.
There is no excuse. This is Taliban behavior. Men deciding how women should live their lives.
A federal judge denied a Department of Justice request to block enforcement of the controversial Texas abortion law.
"[T]his case presents complex, important questions of law that merit a full opportunity for the parties to present their positions to the Court," wrote United States District Judge Robert Pitman in a one-page decision Thursday. "Accordingly, IT IS ORDERED that the United States’ Opposed Motion for Expedited Briefing Schedule, (Dkt. 13), is DENIED."
The DOJ had asked the judge to grant a temporary restraining order or injunction in an effort to block the state from enforcing the law that effectively bans all abortions in Texas, prohibiting the procedure from roughly six weeks into pregnancy. https://www.foxnews.com/politics/judge- … ortion-law
The ruling comes two weeks after the Supreme Court voted in a 5-4 decision to let the Texas law remain in force, denying an emergency appeal from abortion providers to stay the law until legal challenges can be brought.
Thanks to both Kathryn and Sharlee for sharing their opinions on this matter.
I am glad that I was not born a woman.
I would be P.oed all the time just thinking about a entire world dominated by a tyrannical patriarchy. And to think that so many go along with the "system" to get what crumbs fall, seeking to gain favor with their "masters", regardless of sacrifices to individualism and self esteem.
Obviously, the conservative oriented women has long made peace with that status quo. As long as I am not required to participate in my own denigration, it need not concern me, I guess.
"Only Women Bleed" Alice Cooper-1975
Women have the right to safe abortions. No woman should ever have to endure an unplanned, unwanted pregnancy which has deep psychic effects on her as well as the child. Women's lives have been immeasurably better because of the access to legal abortion. They can continue their lives. They don't have to have a child that they didn't want. Since no birth control method is 100%, abortion is a viable option. Women have the unmitigated right to reproductive freedom.
It is good that you advocate rights and freedom in this case.
I find it hard to believe that you can adhere to rightwing values as closely as you do, yet can allow for even this exception.
Conservatives are only right "all the time" relative to liberals. In truth they make mistakes and have some bad values too - just at a fraction of the rate liberals do. This is common knowledge, at least among conservatives...who are not known for blind acquiescence nearly as much a liberals.
That, sir, is debatable. Of course, conservatives believe they are always right and infallible.
Well, we don't agree and that is the "rub", isn't it.
Glad I am an anarchist, don't have to conflict constantly with my alter ego.
Politics is social science. It is a waste of time in the overall scheme of things, but not if we are all trying to get along with one another.
Take the Taliban.
Are they getting along with one another in such a way as to make people prosperous, happy and content?
I would say NO.
Is politics a waste of time when considering the locality of people and their governance?
I have little problem with local politics. It when it gets centralized large it becomes absolute power that corrupts and requires the most slaves. More slavery right now in the world than any other time in human history. The main reason America is there is for profiteering, it's not for the people health. Let locals handle their business , they will do a better job at it.
There upsides and downside everywhere one goes with every culture and every person. People are best dealing with their own problems. Muslims are not children, I know, from touring throughout middle East.
Not sure you got the meant context of my comment. I was simply answering your question literally.
It well appears you are compartmentalizing. My view on abortion is complicated. You see I am a conservative, and I do keep conservative values --- however, I mix my beliefs with reality. I am a conservative woman, but I am also a nurse. I have over many many years witnessed botched abortions, due to women for one reason or another not wanting the child. I have also been witness to child abuse, add incest to the mix, and rape. There are circumstances where having a child is just so unfair to the child...and if incest or rape is involved it's unfair to the mother and the child.
So yes, I believe in abortion.
Being a woman, I can also tell you I never got pregnant unless I wanted to. So, for the women that have abortions due to unprotected sex, for the most part, I look at that, and to be kind --- lack of intelligence. Today one has so many birth control options. I am always amazed at women that make the claim that they need to be the one to make decisions in regard to their health and their own bodies. Abortion is a very evasive procedure that offers a small chance of infertility, which increases if abortions are done repeatedly. Just seems a poor option for birth control in my view.
So, in the end, it would appear as a conservative woman who my own life experience to conclude abortion in the early embryonic state can be merciful. The moms that are aware of all the different forms of birth control but just don't use them Oh well I will keep that opinion to myself.
"The moms that don't know how to protect themselves from unwanted pregnancies"
There are precious few couples in this country, or even in the world, that do not know how to protect against unwanted pregnancies. Perhaps 2 couples in the country...or perhaps less.
It is not a matter of ignorance, then.
I worded that wrong... I should have said --- The moms that are aware of all the different forms of birth control but just don't use them Oh well I will keep that opinion to myself. I will change it. Because I agree that any intelligent woman is aware of all the various birth control out there.
No, it is not a matter of ignorance. That's why I stopped short with my opnion.
So, based on your comment can I presume that you disagree with the Texas law? Seems like an arrogant disposition on the part of the state of Texas.
Why would they be satisfied just in restricting abortion facilities within their jurisdiction, rather than control any option for the women that live there?
This a conservative initiative, totally.
Control of reproductive rights where men are not subjected to the same scrutiny is the beginning of the erosion of women's rights in the state. I hope that the fair maidens of Texas are aware of this.
the Rightwinger must be brought to heel in this aspect as well as many others.
I don't approve of the law as written.
It would appear the law makes no exceptions for cases involving rape or incest. I feel this should have been addressed, and some exceptions were made in the case of rape or incest. These both add a psychological aspect to the pregnancy. It would not be unusual for a woman or teen female child to hide the fact that they were raped or experienced incest. So the six weeks would most likely be problematic for them.
I see the Texas new law bans abortion as soon as the cardiac activity is detectable. That's around six weeks, which is before a lot of women know that they're pregnant. I think 8 weeks would be more appropriate.
This given time might even work to decrease abortions in some cases. Just giving the woman a bit more time to think carefully about the
I have never been able to understand the rationale behind abortion being murder, but murdering a child innocent of any possible wrongdoing, because the mother might feel bad carrying it to term, is OK. Bad feelings, depression, etc. do not trump taking someone's life.
But that's just my opinion - it is quite possible that if I was the victim of rape or incest, carrying the rapists child, I could and would rationalize killing that child.
Everyone here seems to be debating on the pretext of it being murder or not. The thing is the conservatives who are for this bill are mostly in it to have control over women. A big chunk of those who support this do not care whether the child or mother survives once the child is born or the kind of life the child will lead. All their worry about the kid ends the moment it is not directly linked to the mother they want to control.
Conservative aside, I care for the mother; the unborn fetus, whether it's life or not. What's an unwanted pregnancy, or an unwanted child? Because you don't plan well for the pleasure act? By goodness sake, avoid intercourse. There's no alternative. Seriously, certain have an issue with their reproductive organs. They need a baby or two. If a parent has decide the prdgnancy is uwanted, why not let birth take place and those that want to adopt babes take care of the child with the co-operation of the law? Just my opinion and suggestion.
I don't know what the case is in your hemisphere. But trying to bottle up the sexual urge is an exercise in futility. Whether it is now or 100 years ago. It is an impulse, who can plan for that, especially for younger people? I was no better, but just lucky.
It is unreasonable to ask a young girl to bear to term a child that is the product of rape or incest. I don't like the idea of abortion any more than you do. But, fair is fair.
But Roe vs Wade made the balance between the state's interests in preserving life that is viable beyond the womb and a society that condemns a women for getting pregnant and requiring her to bear to term based on conception around the Rightwinger view that the protoplasm at the beginning means treating women as dutiful incubators. Would you welcome that?
Yes, COYOTE is appropriate in addressing Kathryn's rather morally priggish position, that is contrary to the reality that we face in today's world. Sex is primal and you cannot simply put a lid on it.
No women aren't incubators but human beings. Again, no woman should be forcibly pregnant. That is the height of utter barbarism.
Basically, I agree with you. But--- Has abortion become a form of birth control for some women? Hear me out... As a nurse, I can tell you I became very friendly with some women that had 3 and 4 abortions, and I got to know the couple some of the women I speak of due to problems with their abortions, infection, bleeding, etc. One of the questions that are posed - Have you had other abortions and how many.
Would it not be better to early on make sure women be educated on birth control?
I think abortion does have its place. But not sure as a woman I would want to be caught up in an unplanned pregnancy with all the birth control we have today. I think I would feel I did not protect my choice, myself.
I always felt it smart to use birth control, and not face an unwanted pregnancy.
At the same time, I realize unwanted sex such as rape or incest takes away a woman's choice completely, and I feel abortion is very appropriate.
"At the same time, I realize unwanted sex such as rape or incest takes away a woman's choice completely, and I feel abortion is very appropriate."
I have never understood this, given that abortion is accepted as murder. Is it appropriate from the child's point of view? Does an uncomfortable 9 months trump the child's right to life itself?
Of course, if abortion is NOT murder then the question is moot up until that point in time that it becomes murder.
I can only give my thoughts on why I feel the mother should be given the choice to have an abortion due to rape or incest.
If a woman consents to have sex, I would hope in most scenarios she realizes she could become pregnant. She takes the chance she could become pregnant. My true feeling is --- I think a woman exhibits intelligence when she takes the responsibility of not becoming pregnant when she does not want to.
Incest or rape --- the woman is totally out of control of her body. All decision-making has been taken away. I don't approve of casual abortion. I prefer women to take responsibility for their bodies and use birth control.
Is abortion murder? Is purposely killing a human being? Yes, it is. Not sure how it could be called anything else. Has society come to the point that the unborn have no say so? Yes.
So where from here? It is very apparent a large majority of women chose to look at life differently than the words -- murder, killing. Many in our society have changed the words to --- right to choose. This right covers them, their personal health, their body. What's been left out of the equation is the undeveloped life that needs their womb.
Clinically when does it become murder? At the moment the child is aborted it dies as a rule. Myself, I could not conceive of having an abortion. But, it is very clear there is a segment of women that see little to no problem having an abortion.
The subject is a very hard subject to discuss.
"Is abortion murder? Is purposely killing a human being? Yes, it is. Not sure how it could be called anything else. Has society come to the point that the unborn have no say so? Yes."
Then, as far as I can see, the intentional, deliberate murder of a child conceived of rape or incest is still intentional, deliberate murder. This is the part I simply cannot visualize; how does one go from murder to "not murder" because it was rape? The reasoning, if any, makes no sense at all, and the child itself is simply shunted aside as if (as you point out) we give no say or rights to children in the womb.
Not trying to be argumentative; seriously searching for the rationale that turns that child into a "thing"...because of the father's actions. This is perhaps the only place we visit the father's sins on the child, and that "visitation" results in executing a child that has done no wrong.
You have brought up a very interesting valid point. One that needs to be addressed.
I think we all as individuals come to our views of abortion due to individual life experiences. So many variables to think about, to consider. I don't think many women that choose abortion look at the act as murder. IMO they don't let that part of the act slip into their minds.
I don't feel it is due to the actions of the father. I think it is the fear of bearing a child that was conceived in violence, and not in many cases even knowing who the father is. And literally not feeling they could care for our bond with the child, So the decision to do away with the child becomes almost a mercy.
I do see your point that killing a child has done nothing. But in the case of rape, that child could actually become "a thing" that the mother just can't emotionally accept, due to the violence it was conceived under.
Absolutely we all have differing opinions and thoughts on abortion - I do not, for instance, view an early fetus (perhaps up to 3 months) as a "person" that can be "murdered". RvW was an acceptable compromise in my mind.
But even if I did choose that path I could never accept killing a child because of what the father did. There is, after all, the possibility of adoption - there are millions of parents desperately trying to do just that, and I cannot believe a child would choose death over adoption.
The only reason to abort a child, IMO, is the physical health of the mother and that is rare indeed with today's medical expertise.
I see your point, and I am sure many women would look at it as you have -- and not even consider killing a child because of what the father did. Able to keep the emotional trauma out of their decision-making. I don't think the decision would be an easy one in any circumstance for most women.
I am with you, I support adoption... there are many couples that wait long periods to adopt a child.
'The only reason to abort a child,...is the physical health of the mother... I'm in that tight place with you. Say the fetus is very sick to endanger the mother's health and life. Other than that, I wash my hands off clean of the blood of an innocent person.
Are we leaning now into a state of barbaric or more of a mordernization? Does the old time savage or barbaric tribes had this in common? Apart from incest or rape? Certain girls consent to sex without realising the consequence of pragnancy. Is the boy also in the same boat of ignorance? All the same, abortion or parental care of the fetus, which should you prefer? Our thoughts, and opinions on abortion in these modern era is not yet straight forward. The fetus whether "it" is a person or a thing should have had a right these days. A right to preservation and protection. But it's a different thing if the abortion is naturally induced. Naturally, the law protect a place, or a wild life. Wondering why the fetus is undeserving of such protective measures.
I agree with you completely. There's no difference between kill and murder. These word carry the idea of taking another life.
As long as your going to eat that person, it's not murder.
According to the Bible hand book.
As always the Bible is contradiction are endless. Nothing could be clearer. God does not want us to eat meat. People are made in God's image and animals are not, but this spiritual difference is not sufficiently morally significant to allow killing animals for food. Killing another person is a capital crime and a sin. Killing an animal is just a sin.
The moral and spiritual ambiguity about eating meat is made more explicit in the ninth chapter of Genesis (Genesis 9:3-6) when God tells Noah in the covenant made with him after the Great Flood,
"Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things. But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat. And surely your blood of your lives will I require; at the hand of every beast will I require it, and at the hand of man; at the hand of every man's
Our intestines are very long, unlike the intestines of cats. Meat sits within human the body on its long journey out of the body. Meat will purify and cause problems. If you eat meat make sure you eat enzyme rich foods such as fresh vegetables and do not drink liquids after a meal containing beef, chicken, turkey, pork, duck, fish, lamb ... etc.
Anybody who eats meat and is against abortion is in my opinion in a state of hypocrisy.
Murdering a cow is worse than getting rid of a two-day-old fertilized ovum. Even killing a mosquito is far worse.
Too much logic. Religion is against all logic.
If intelligent people hadn't ignored religion, today we would still think the earth was flat.
I buy that. But it's still taper at the Poles.
There is a science to religion, but it is not known or recognized. Even Jesus had to speak in parables because the people could not understand the science/reality of what he said. He did however introduce it to his disciples.
I wonder if he knew the earth was not flat? I think the people of that time knew. After the dark ages the knowledge of the heavens being fixed, the spinning of the earth and its journey through space on an orbital path was lost. But, I am totally guessing.
I hardly agree. Abortion whether it's murder or not still possess some questions. The actors of incest or rape(unwant sex, sex at a threat, or at gun point) are never pictured as committing murder in the first instance! Yes, incest or rape is murdering a person. In the Northern parts of a country like Nigeria, some rape acts has been passed into law. If a man rape a girl, he qualify to have his dick chopped off by an appointed doctor. But if he died during and after the surgery, so be it.
In the Northern parts of a country like Nigeria, some rape acts has been passed into law. If a man rape a girl, he qualify to have his dick chopped off by an appointed doctor. But if he died during and after the surgery, so be it.
Now that is what I call an "effective deterrent"
Credence2, I can agree on all your pointers. However, I'm yet to find and read Kathryn views, because she's a very strong against abortion. More so, here's a factual scenario that plays itself out in my Wakirike(Okrika) Ijaw nation, in the Niger Delta. A girl from 15 years is ripe for marriage. Any relationship with a boy or man, that results in conception without marriage is frown at. But the act is done. Custom demand the parents of the girl to take care of the mother and unborn fetus. Rape and incest were hardly heard of in those good old days. Another scenario that plays itself out of the above is this. A pregnant lady looks beatiful to a suitor. Realsing she would be the wife of another guy cast a periwincle shell at her belly with the tag words:if you born a girl she's my wife. If a boy he's my friend. Now all parental cares pass to the invocator. So where does the idea of unwant pregnancy comes up?
What is "say-so" to the unborn?
Unborn soul: "I say I must be born! It doesn't matter if I was conceived of rape or whatever.
I want to come to earth. Here I am. Ready or not. I don't even care if you are not ready. That's how badly I want to come. Please don't kill me."
The Soul entered into the union of the ovum and sperm willingly, with full desire to be born and live a lifetime on earth.
Is it loving to deny the free-will of this newly ignighted soul coming from the astral plane to live a life on earth?
A serious question indeed. If the pregnancy is due to consent sex, then I would not let the fetus to be abort. Is the mother's health in danger? Is the babe or mother to be save? Just allow nature to take its course. If the mother or babe die, a life remain. I've seen it happen. In rare cases, both mother and child died. That's unfortunate.
Conservatives want to consider a fetus at conception inviolate until it is born. I hope the conservatives have nothing against birth control. But what about the RU-486 drug that can induce abortions? Can you control what a women ingests, if she self aborts who has the right to interfere? There cannot be a more dismal state of existence than being a child unwanted by its mother.
I hear concerns about summary executions of fetuses who are innocent, I sympathize with this attitude.
But, if women were forced to carry to term every zygote that slipped by, what are the implications for women to have some control over their lives and bodies? Do you really think that this control will stop at just reproductive rights? You ladies will be defined by your womb and what is or what not in it. All of this is patriarchy to the extreme.
This will have an affect on women's behavior and choices, while there are no comparable threats made toward men and their role in this process.
As many said before, Roe vs Wade is a reasonable compromise and I abhor the conservatives for attempting to change it.
+10000000000, there must be legal abortions. No one should endure an UNWANTED pregnancy. The hallmark of a civilized, enlightened society is the right to reproductive freedom. It is beyond barbaric to force women to be mothers. Children should be wanted & loved. Haven't people forgotten that? There WILL ALWAYS be abortions whether it be legal or illegal. When abortions were illegal, women had back alley abortions, oftentimes w/disastrous results. Also there was higher incidence of child abuse when children weren't wanted. People ought to THINK, THINK, THINK. Ask a child who was abused, uncared for because h/she was UNWANTED. Studies show that children who are UNWANTED tend to be abused than children who are WANTED. Yes, I support a woman's right to an abortion. Abortion is a right!
Credence2. I haven't read the comments in this thread because I know many will be vitriolic and likely personally abusive. I just wanted you to know that I'm in your corner and suggest you should have chosen Canada as a place to settle. We northerners are far more tolerant and accepting of alternate points of view, but the divisive invective so common in the U.S. is now starting to slither into Canada, and I don't like it.
You've made my day, Rupert. I like that Canadian patchwork quilt analogy over the amalgamated "melting pot" idea so prevalent here.
It is a more sophisticated way to view people and life.
These ugly attitudes of our authoritarian advocates here are moving north like the killer bees did. Knowing what it is when you see it is half the battle.
Nice to hear from you again and I am grateful for your support......
I haven't been following this issue, but they will go elsewhere & oftentimes put themselves into more danger.
by SparklingJewel 12 years ago
regardless of where one stands on the abortion issue...how could any American citizen stand for allowing their tax dollars or be forced in their work ethic to be used for something that is against their deepest moral and ethical conscience...to them it is an ultimate abuse of their liberty...
by Credence2 7 years ago
Based on the linked article, it appears that there was no such thing as the Supreme Court Decision entitled Roe Vs Wade. What was it, over 40 years ago, and we still deal with these RED retrograde states trying to chip away at this right obtained by women, nationwide. First, no abortion, excluding...
by Grace Marguerite Williams 9 years ago
According to Huffington Post and Reuters, the Kansas House of Representatives passed a bill on Friday, April 5, 2013 on a 90/30 vote declaring that "life" now begins at fertilization. This is after the Kansas senate blocked the bill on a 28/10 vote. Republican and staunchly...
by SEXYLADYDEE 9 years ago
Yesterday marked the 40 year anniversary of Roe vs Wade. Are women in a better place today?My Mother was a nurse from 1960 until 1986. During that time she described how woman came into the emergency rooms with coat hangers or knitting needles stuck in them, septic, bleeding and worse. She was a...
by Credence2 6 months ago
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics … eme-court/Here is another link in case you have paywall issues with WP.https://news.stlpublicradio.org/health- … t-of-stateIt was bad enough in Texas where the law allowed civil suits against those that provide assistance to women seeking...
by Jackie Lynnley 3 years ago
I read this was true and I just have to know if it is, please! Please provide links to prove what you say. Surely we are not going to be aborting babies ready to come into the world fully developed and healthy?
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