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Ralph Deedsposted 11 years ago
http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/v … olls-video
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  Brenda Durhamposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  LOL.
  Hoyt should've never trusted those two trolls in his house.
  Yes, they're the trolls, not him.
  Sorry.
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  Silverspeederposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Governments love climate change, it increases their tax collecting ability.
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  e-fiveposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Private corporations (particularly multi-national dirty energy conglomerates) love to distort scientific information to deny climate change, it increases their trillions in profits.
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  bBereanposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  "Global warming" has been an incredible cash cow, birthing the big "green" toilet and generating propaganda to propel both the environmental and socialist agendas. It has provided a vehicle for bilking taxpayers of billions.
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  John Holdenposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  But hasn't the cause of climate change been an incredible cash cow for the polluters?
  
  And again we have more private profit and even bigger public losses!
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  bBereanposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  No, but a good job has been done marketing that line. Lucky for us I suppose that we have so many willing to "save" our environment. All they need from us is our freedom, property and money. If they play the rhetoric right some fools might even say "thank you" when the dirty deeds are done. Plenty of folks have been drinking the kool-ade. I wonder if it was warm.
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  Josakposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  What line? The Climate change is real and human affected line? Well that would be simple scientific fact.
  
  The people made lot's of money off reckless environmental damage line? Well that would be simple scientific fact too.
  
  There is no "line" just hard science and archeological proofs.
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  HollieTposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Yep, look to the scholars, on either side. Climate change exists, the debate is not about whether it exists-but why.
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  bBereanposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  It is being exploited as man made to imply it can be controlled by us, but all I see is a power grab.
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  HollieTposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Maybe it's being exploited as natural cycles to ensure that polluters can continue to pollute and profit. Who profits most, polluters (deniers) or their opposition?
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  bBereanposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Good question. We are getting it from both sides, no doubt.
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  HollieTposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I'm sure we're getting the findings from both sides- but follow the money, where does it lead?
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  Ralph Deedsposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Into the pockets of the polluters--coal companies, coal-fired power plant utilities, oil companies and car companies and their puppet politicians.
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  Silverspeederposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  But yet we still use their products and vote for their politicians.
  
  The fact is man is ruining the planet yet no one is in favour of population control.
  The fact is man is ruining the planet but no one is in favour of banning all motor vehicles
  The fact is man is ruining the planet but no one is in favour of sitting in the dark
  the fact is man is ruining the planet and no one has an idea how to stop it
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  Josakposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  We know how to fix it, instituting green technologies and carbon reduction methods that are not really that drastic and protecting sources of carbon recycling like the Amazon we can get our margin to be a very very long time, as in thousands of years and with that time i have no doubt we will invent technologies to solve the problem especially if we fund green technology research.
  
  What is happening now on the other hand is big industries are doing all they can to crush emerging green technologies and at the same time recklessly polluting, the terminal effect being we don't have enough time to fix the problem before it's too late.
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  Ralph Deedsposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  There are plenty of ways to stop or slow climate change if we get started before it's too late.
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  Zelkiiroposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I am.
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  Josakposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Yup, what is more likely? That advocacy groups and green organizations have somehow corrupted all of the legitimate scientific and archeological community on climate change using their very limited funds to bring about a massive conspiracy on the issue. Or oil and coal companies using their enormous sums of money have completely failed to gain any traction in the scientific community in an attempt to make more money?
  
  It's not the toughest question.
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  HollieTposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Josak, don't POLLUTE the conversation with common sense- it's not helpful
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  Josakposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Sorry, my bad
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  John Holdenposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Are you certain sure that climate change is a hoax?
  
  On what evidence do you base this conclusion? Remember, "I just know" in't a satisfactory answer.
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  bBereanposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  The hoax is that surrendering our freedom, livelihood, property and tax dollars will solve anything.
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  Josakposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Again scientific fact that the introduction 9compulsory or otherwise) of energy efficient technologies etc. will help ease the problem. It's already worked in many countries, the ones with the lowest carbon footprints per capita in the first world.
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  John Holdenposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  No, that doesn't answer my question. Either produce your evidence or drop the subject.
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  Josakposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  So many people utterly ignorant of the hard science and willing to destroy what we will leave our children for a few bucks. Very sad.
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  bBereanposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  It may seem inconvenient that not everyone is buying the green agenda's truth, but don't be discouraged. Perhaps we will finally learn it now that Al's Jazeera is coming to our local cable provider.
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  Josakposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Hard science is not a version of the truth, it's simple fact is all.
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  Ericdierkerposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Josak, that is fallacy. The earth is flat was a scientific notion and yet it never was fact. The moon could not be reached was a scientific fact in 1836 but not by 1986. Science is a snapshot of what we know this second, it is not fact.
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  Ralph Deedsposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Plenty of facts about climate change are well established by scientific measurements. It's true there is more to learn, but we know enough that we should be taking prudent measures before it's too late. It's quite clear that the climate at any point in time is a product of natural cycles AND the effects of greenhouse gases. Not much we can to about natural cycles, but we are capable of cutting back on CO2 if we put our mind to it.
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  Josakposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Firstly flat earth theory was never a scientific theory, truly it came about before the empirical scientific process by people just naturally assuming and the scientists who did investigate the theory found something else entirely. Secondly there is a big difference between supposing something and being able to categorically prove it experimentally as we can do with global warming.
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  Ericdierkerposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  And by your unassailable logic faith is valid for proof. We had proof that we could not fly to the moon. It was a fact. Now we have proof that we can. It is a fact.
  We have proof that climates change. We have facts that we can effect/affect that. Those are facts. Tomorrow that will change when a Volcano blows so high and so hard that climate is instantly changed and we cannot effect/affect that.
  Scientific proof is limited by current knowledge. Faith is not. I have faith that the climates will change, that will not change. I have fact and knowledge that we can effect/affect change,,,, that will change. As the Solar Flairs brought our temperatures to over 100 in May, which never happens, we may see cooling in August due to the Cholula Volcanic activity and resulting ash. Man is blind to his lack of impact. Climates change, get over it.
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  Josakposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Nope scientific experiment is proof.
  
  Yes Volcanoes etc. can change the climate so can we, an asteroid could destroy the earth next month butt hat doesn't mean we should start dropping nukes everywhere. Climates do change, indeed massive volcanic activity has caused global warming before the consequence of which was mass extinction that almost exterminated all life on earth, now we are doing the same thing, getting over it would be pretty idiotic.
  
  Being unable to reach the moon was never fact or scientific opinion btw so that is nonsense.
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  Ericdierkerposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Well I certainly want my government to spend money to stop solar flares and volcanoes from erupting. But I do like the concept of climate change. If you think about it, the essence of climate is not the sameness but the patterns of change. ie cool in the morning, hot in the afternoon, rainy when there are clouds and sunny when there are not. If climates were always the same we would have no climates.
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HollieTposted 11 years ago
It's quite funny isn't it? The distorters would love to have us believe that the debate is about whether climate change exists or not. When in fact, the real debate is not about whether the earth is warming, but whether the changes are man made or the result of natural cycles.

I do wish people would look a bit deeper, and not just jump onto the bandwagon that "fits" their ignorance and misconceptions.
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e-fiveposted 11 years ago
Follow the freakin' money.

Can anyone say with a straight face that government (who some of the same people often say can't do anything at all with any efficacy) somehow got 99.98% of underpaid university researchers to advance fraudulent scientific information simply to jack up taxes, hurt ordinary people, and "limit freedom"?

Can anyone say with a straight face that glaciers aren't melting, that weather systems haven't been more severe lately, that bad farming practices didn't have any role in the Dust Bowl (e.g. proof of direct human effect on climate), that Exxon-BP-Shell and the coal industry doesn't have a vested financial interest in distorting information, that the dirty energy crowd isn't pouring hundreds of millions into campaign funds, or that a "green agenda" is more cumulatively powerful than commercial interests of the most profitable corporations on earth who want to maintain those profits at any cost?

Please. Either government is incompetent, or it's not. It can't be both hopelessly inefficient AND capable of an intricate, nearly universal conspiracy involving almost every scientist on earth and supported by anecdotal evidence seen increasingly everywhere around us. And enormous "free-enterprise" corporations can't be incredibly superior in every way to government while still being hapless victims of a clever yet sinister fraud perpetrated by a bunch of hippies and bureaucrats to impose damaging restrictions on people for the fun of it.
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  John Holdenposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  
  Well said.
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  HollieTposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  THIS, in a very big way!
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  John Holdenposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  I can't wait to hear how the neigh sayers respond to this!
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Lie Detectorposted 11 years ago
The earth needed to warm up after the iceage of the 1970's. Widespread destruction from that iceage is still being felt.

What? There wasn't an iceage in the 70s? How can that be, the scientist told us it was gonna get cold.

Oh well, damn, starting to get hot.
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  Josakposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  So many of you don't seem to realize that that argument actually defeats yours, that "ice age" (actually a slight cooling period) should still be going for the next ten years because of the sun's distancing, but instead the temperature has been rising or staying the same due to the greenhouse effect which is fine for now but we will soon enter a warming period...
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  Lie Detectorposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Does no such thing, there was no ice age as the experts predicted. All it proves is that those experts are just as wrong about Global warming (now changed to climate change to protect their selves) as they were about the ice age.
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  John Holdenposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Do you remember about twenty or so years ago, holes started to appear in the ozone layer affecting the climate.
  
  These holes were attributed to the use of CFCs in aerosols and refrigeration plants.
  They banned the use of CFCs in aerosols and enforced the contained capture of CFCs from refrigerators.
  
  The ozone holes repaired themselves.
  
  You of course will say purely coincidence, I will say, it might be coincidence but everything points to it being cause and effect.
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  Lie Detectorposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Actually I don't think about it at all.
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  John Holdenposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Didn't think you did.
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  Ralph Deedsposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  And you obviously don't read about it either.
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  Josakposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  There was actually, if we remove the effect of the greenhouse effect the temperature dropped significantly. Arguing with science will just make you look the fool.
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  Lie Detectorposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  You may want to go back and look at those 1970's predictions.
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  Josakposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  They were dead on, they wrote that solar shift would cause a drop in the earth's temperature. They got that dead right. The earths temperature was dropped by those factors but also raised by global warming. Of course their field was a totally different one to the field of research that would find that other factors would cause global warming.
  
  The frightening thing is despite that drop (even you can't be ignorant enough to argue that the sun being further away will cause a temperature drop) the global temperature has risen.
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  Lie Detectorposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  http://www.forbes.com/2009/12/03/climat … utton.html
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  Josakposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Yup exactly as I said, scientists correctly predicted that the sun shift would cause global cooling, at the same time global warming rose the temperature. Scientists were right both times.
  
  Also note that I love it when an author with no scientific knowledge whatsoever attempts to claim that people who actually have two braincells to rub together and knowledge+education on the topic are all wrong
  
  When looking for opinions on a subject maybe stick to people who know the subject
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  Lie Detectorposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Predicted an ice age, and it never happened.
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  Josakposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Nope they predicted global cooling as a result of solar positioning, solar positioning did indeed reduce the earth's temperature. They were right.
  
  Your argument is the same as me pointing out that if you put water in a freezer it will freeze it begins to do this then you go in with a blowtorch and melt it and claim that proves I was wrong. Pretty dumb.
  
  The earth is currently further away from the sun than it was before these predictions are you actually arguing that this will not cause global cooling if not counteracted by other forces?
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  Lie Detectorposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  They predicted an ice age!
  
  Why do you keep denying that fact?
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  Josakposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Actually they didn't they predicted some global cooling. Which happened for some time, temperatures did drop. Then other man man causes reversed that trend namely the greenhouse effect. Which those scientists had no way of predicting.
  
  So yes they were precisely correct an unsurprising win for people who actually know the subject against old men with no scientific knowledge or training at all.
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  Zelkiiroposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  Stupid global warming. I would've been happy with an ice age. >:{
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  Brenda Durhamposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  They go on theories, not facts. Such is the nature of modern "science" (at least......modern science has been invaded by wild theory).
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  HollieTposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  No Brenda, hypothesis first, then theory. Research brings forth the evidence, or lack thereof. There is overwhelming evidence that climate change exists. So not theory, evidence.
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  A Troubled Manposted 11 years agoin reply to this
  "Note that many of the oh-there-was-an-ice-age-predicted type articles tend to focus on non-science articles for their sources: newsweek, for example. This is cheating on their part. Newsweek isn't science, of course."
  
  http://www.wmconnolley.org.uk/sci/iceage/
  
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Mighty Momposted 11 years ago

Here ya go. Hope this makes you happy!
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Mighty Momposted 11 years ago
Source:
http://www.carbonplanet.com/climate#

For those who reject the scientific claims, this is a global, BUSINESS-oriented
company (not nonprofit). Because, as we all know, BUSINESSES are always right!

Climate change does not equal global warming.

Climate Change might involve a change in seasons, an increase in the average temperature, or an increase in precipitation each year. Climate must not be confused with weather, which is a short term phenomenon.

Global warming results from an increase in greenhouse gases in the atmosphere causing the surface of the Earth to become warmer by trapping heat reflected off the Earth. Climate change is an effect of global warming.

The instance of a few cool or rainy days does not mean that global warming is not occuring. Climate change is exactly that, a change in climate. Climate is the weather patterns in a specific area, over a specific time period.

An increase in the temperature of the Earth can change climate and weather patterns. There are many scientific predictions about the results and extent of climate change. Climate change might involve a change in seasons, a change in rainfall patterns, a change in temperature around the world, and more extreme weather events such as droughts, floods, and storms. A change in climate will affect people, plant and animal species, agriculture, industry and culture.
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