What would YOU want to say to President Obama at this moment regarding his social policies? What would YOU want to say about his socioeconomic policies? Say whatever you feel...........
What new revelation do you think is going to come from this? This is just a set up for the same old arguments.
The problem with your country's financial woes do not lie with Obama but are the result of decades of financial mismanagement; a lassez fair attitude to corporations and their political lobbying. Your national debt is legendary and is the result living beyond your means for decades.
You allow corporations to bully/bribe government into policies that favour shareholders and not the people or the nation. For example your lax regulations regarding food manufacture compared to Europe means you eat shit resulting in a chronic obesity problem; your people get fatter to feed the increasingly fat corporate bank accounts. That it is enshrined into law that companies must maximise returns for shareholders can only mean to produce an imbalance of wealth forever upwards to those of higher socio economic status.
So where has your money gone? Into the pockets of fat corporations. It sits in bank accounts doing nothing, doing no work, being put to no good use, just accumulating more interest for them. Your successive governments have given your wealth away and placed the burden of shortage on the common man. You need a mass redistribution of this redundant wealth back to government to pay the debt and fix the holes in your country.
As for obamacare, I cannot comment, but access to free healthcare for all at the point of need paid for by the state is a mark of a civilised society.
Trouble is that the OP only wants to hear voices that agree with her!
President Obama is becoming a disaster in many areas, especially regarding Obama"care". This "health" plan is going to RUIN America. Anyone who applauds such a "health" plan is totally, totally misguided, naive, and clueless. Sadly, President Obama is IN over his head!
Hmmm, you stated no one could read the health care bill, and you were wrong. I'm wondering who is clueless....
You are prevaricating,NEVER said that at all! Obama"care" will bankrupt America and decrease the quality of care. Really, why are YOU applauding this monstrosity. Obamacare is bad for America! American health care is FINE the way IT IS. Why are some people applauding this? Obamacare is going to sink America socioeconomically and health wise. I do not want the government into my health care. I was not raised to be a socialist, hmmmm.......
Yes you did, and I would appreciate your taking back the accusation that I am lying.
"Kathryn and Moneyfairy, of course, NONE of us saw the bill."
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I apologize Pretty Panther. I have read about Obamacare extensively in news reports, books, and magazines. It has more detriments than benefits overall. In the majority of cases, each time government implements something, the quality decreases.
So, honest answer, why did you say no one saw the bill? All bills are available online for public review and comment.
I don't have a problem with legitimate gripes about the ACA, but I do have a problem with spreading misinformation or, should I say, PREVARICATING.
The ACA will help many people. I have friends who are self-employed and who have families and the ACA will help them greatly.
I work with a young woman who does not have health insurance. She has two young kids who get free health care through the state. She went on the exchange and discovered she could buy health insurance for $57/month. She is ecstatic. She makes about $10/hour.
It's sure not helping this gentleman and thousands of others as well: http://gopthedailydose.com/2013/10/06/v … gulations/
The truth is that every health care service rendered will be charged at increasingly higher rates as time goes on. I predict that the barter system will come into full swing in the end. I do not agree that those who cannot afford and/or do not want health care insurance will be taxed/fined so that Others can have it.
+1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000-it is only going to get WORSE, not BETTER with Obama"care". You are correct regarding your premise, Kathryn! YOU and I see this and others simply refuse to acknowledge this! Simply amazing to say the least!
I would still like to know why you said no one saw the bill. As soon as you explain why you chose to spread this important bit of misinformation, I will move on to other pronouncements of fact you like to make that are, of course, NOT.
To reiterate, I have read books, articles, and news reports on Obama"care". Obama"care" is socialized health care. It is socialistic in its premise. Our health care is well enouigh as it is currently. There are ways that uninsured people can obtain health services without exorbitant costs. There is a hospital in my area in which uninsured patients are charged on a scale according to their salary. There is another hospital that charges uninsured patients $15-$20 per doctor visit. We DON'T need Obama"care" at all. It is superfluous and unnecessary. That is ALL I have to say about it. We have ENOUGH health and social programs in this country already. Good night I am off to bed.
You still have not explained why you said no one saw the bill. Did you truly believe that and were mistaken? Or, did you intentionally spread misinformation? Either way, you are part of the problem. Again, please explain why you stated something that is easily proven to be false. You haven't done that.
Yes, I am pushing you because I see you make these pronouncements with such certainty, and then high-five others who do the same. Are you part of a gang of liars? Or, are you buying into the misinformation campaign because you're too lazy to work at knowing the truth? Or, do you think others are too stupid to figure out your pronouncements are false and will just believe them without question?
Which is it?
There is nothing socialistic about Obamacare - it is straight forward capitalism.
No, it's authoritarian.
Forcing people to buy a product is not capitalism.
Forcing companies to offer maternal care to every member is not capitalism.
Taxing people for not buying a product is not capitalism.
Oops, my bad. I didn't realize who I was replying to. Can't talk to someone who doesn't use the same language.
Analogous, IGNORE John. It is fruitless to even have an intelligent conversation with him. IGNORE.
It's ironic. He often posts about how people don't understand Socialism and use the term incorrectly, but then he says capitalism is authoritarianism...
Capitalism is authoritarian, check your dictionary for the meaning.
Oh John, please, don't embarass yourself. Capitalism is freedom and growth. Jeez, you are really showing yourself and it isn't pretty at all. NEXT!
Freedom and growth!
Where have you been hiding?
No, don't tell me, I know, in Never land.
Yes, you probably are right, we should ignore you.
I AM IGNORING you. You are a persona non grata to me. Less than THAT in my eyes. BEGONE, John, you are quite noisome. I live in the real world. I studied, work smart, became successful, and retired quite comfortably. I refuse to see America go on the path to socioeconomic destruction by the likes of Obama and his agenda!
And you did all that with your eyes closed, perfectly oblivious to those not so fortunate.
You failed to notice that the world changed while you were busy being successful, and it wasn't socialism that changed it, it was capitalisms thirst for higher profits at any cost (except to them selves).
I expect that we are of similar ages and I can remember well when you could leave a job on Friday and have your pick of jobs on the following Monday. I know though that those days are long behind us. Now you are much more likely to be told on a Friday that your services are no longer needed and for it to take you years to find somebody else who can use your services.
Come down off your throne GM and mix with the ordinary people, find out how they live and what their hopes really are. I doubt you'll find many that don't want to work.
No, you should try communicating in English, like everybody else.
Check it in your dic-tionary
Analogous, +1,000,000.000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000! We KNOW what Obamacare IS. You are on target!
When all else fails (meaning when the facts do not support the argument), then there is a resort to the "nobody knows the 'real' facts" nonsense.
I would say "thank you" to President Obama for is humanity and his understanding that our founding principles---based in the social contract of The Enlightenment, require that we "promote the general welfare". There is no socialism in the Affordable Care Act. There is humanism.
While I agree with some of President Obama's policies, I believe that health care should be a personal thng. Each person is responsible for his/her health care needs. The government should not have to step in. Each tub sits on its own bottom. These social programs are the reason why America is in the morass she is in currently i.e. the welfare system cames to mind. I am for LESS government into our affairs!
Te welfare system that you so hate is a direct result of the capitalism that you so love.
There's no welfare in socialism? Nope.
THEY CHOOSE to KNOW NOT. They prefer to going along with THE GREAT DELUSION.
But it is you who goes along with the great delusion, the delusion that capitalism is wonderful and will take care of everybody. The delusion that capitalism wants everybody to work and have plenty.
YOU CHOOSE NOT TO KNOW.
Capitiali$m is good and is growth. It is an equal playing ground. If you are capable/smart, you will succeed. If you are NOT, you fail. Simple, not BS! If you FAIL, accept your consequences and take your medicine.
And for millions failure means death by starvation purely because some people have no economic worth.
It is not and has never been an equal playing ground and plenty of capable and smart people get left by the wayside while many pretty ineffectual people exploit to their hearts content.
And the GOOD news is that in the US and in much of the developed world unregulated capitalism (that perversion of Adam Smith that wallows in some dog-eat-dog pornography of wealth accumulation) has NOT existed since Theodore Roosevelt was president during the first decade of the 20th century.
The great wealth of the post-World War II "American Century" was accumulated in a mixed economy; an economy of regulated capitalism.
The fact is the recent (post-2000) experiments in unregulated capitalism have proven to be disastrous in terms of wealth creation. Banks and corporations going bust; privately held capital losing much of its value; unemployment, etc.
It is unfortunate that Adam Smith's sense of capitalism---as a moral system of wealth creation, has been discarded by some for a late 19th/20th century morally bankrupt perversion of capitalism that rests of attachment to robber barons.
Do you really believe that success in the US is simply a marker of whether one is capable and smart or not? Really? There are no other factors? None?
For the sick and unable to work, yes there is welfare but for those who don't work, no, because with socialism there would be no need for people not to work.
Disappearinghead> I would say, "Thank you for your service to the nation. Unfortunately, we have to downsize and thereby your position will no longer be needed. However, if you would like to remain with our country we can offer you a position in the Obamacare customer service department where you will be taking up to 1.4 million calls a day. Of course, there will be a sizeable cut in pay...."
OOPs..I meant gmwilliams..is my rookiness showing?
"Obamacare is going to sink America socioeconomically and health wise. I do not want the government into my health care. I was not raised to be a socialist, hmmmm......."
Is that so, OP? Well, you'll be interested to know that as far as healthcare goes, the U.S. ranks 37th in the world in terms of healthcare quality. You've even been beaten by Cosa Rica at #36, according to the World Health Organization.
And as for your view that everyone is responsible for their own healthcare, what about those who aren't given health insurance through their work?
You weren't raise to be a socialist? Good for you. It's nice to see your political opinions were dictated to you, and you're spouting the same mindless rhetoric as the GOP.
gmwilliams, I'm yet to hear you admit you were wrong about American healthcare being the greatest thing since sliced bread.
I would say: "You small, petulant, insignificant little man. You are not fit to hold the office you currently occupy and never were. You are a canker. A sore that won't go away. I would rather kiss a trial lawyer than be seen with you. You're a putrescent mass, a walking vomit. You are a spineless little worm deserving nothing but the profoundest contempt. You are a jerk, a cad, a weasel. Your life is a monument to stupidity. You are a stench, a revulsion, a big suck on a sour lemon. May you choke on the queasy, convulsing nausea of your own trite, foolish beliefs. You are weary, stale, flat and unprofitable. You are grimy, squalid, nasty and profane. You are foul and disgusting. You're a fool, an ignoramus."
Or something like that
Any way it is too late. Why are we talking about something we could have prevented years ago?
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