Capitalist dictator executes his uncle

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   Onusonusposted 6 years ago

   Oh wait. I forgot, there's no such thing as capitalist dictators. It was a commie, as usual.
   http://news.yahoo.com/north-korea-execu … 39706.html

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      Zelkiiroposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Julius Caesar (despite being mostly awesome), Nero, Caligula, and several other emperors of the very capitalistic Roman Empire would like to have a word with you...

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         Onusonusposted 6 years agoin reply to this

         Had to go back 2,000 years for that one.

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            Zelkiiroposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            Well, ever since then, the power's been divided among more people, so we have mini-tyrants in recent history. Like Boss Tweed and Andrew Carnegie.

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               Onusonusposted 6 years agoin reply to this

               Yup. Tweed, (Democrat) go figure. And Cranegie? He called on the all the rich people to use their wealth to improve society, and stimulated wave after wave of philanthropy. Clearly a shrewd business man. If you don't like him don't work for him. But, who did they murder?

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                  Zelkiiroposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                  Everyone who died in the streets or in the factories due to abysmal work conditions and insulting pay.

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                     Onusonusposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                     North Korea in a nutshell. In capitalist countries you can choose your destiny, in communist countries if you don't like it you get shot. But on the bright side North Korea is very eco-friendly. They've got a tiny carbon foot print.  No gun crimes either. Great healthcare too.
                     
                     I really do like communism. It so abundantly points out the contrast between the good and the bad.
                     The very philosophy straight out of the Frankfurt School posited that the workers seduced by the material successes and general prosperity provided by capitalism were too blinded by this prosperity and relative well-being to recognize their class consciousness and bring about the communist revolution.
                     That's the answer they came up with to account for the success of this terrible system that created the largest middle class the world has ever seen.

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      rhamsonposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      What this action on Un's part shows us that thugs are thugs whether they come from a third world country or right from a ghetto.

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   Levellandmikeposted 6 years ago

   I do hope none of you were surprised by this development.
   I knew the guy was toast as soon as soon as I heard of his arrest.
   There is absolutely nothing Kim Jong-un could do that would surprise...outside of an outright rejection of communism, dissolving North Korea and reunifying with the South, that is.
   You thought Stalin was nasty?
   This guy's just gettin' started. Hang loose, sports fans...it's gonna get worse from here.
   In the words of George Zimmer, "I guarantee it."

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      Onusonusposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Nothing surprises me when it comes to commie dictators. What is baffling to me are those few who actually labor under the delusion that their system is a better way to go when there is so much evidence to the contrary.

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         John Holdenposted 6 years agoin reply to this

         Communist dictator is an oxymoron.

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            Onusonusposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            In order to take money from one group and give it to another group you will always have to use force and coercion. Thus in communism dictatorship is the rule and not the exception.

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               John Holdenposted 6 years agoin reply to this

               It is still an oxymoron.
               
               Communism does not involve taking from one and giving to another be it by force or persuasion.

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                  Onusonusposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                  In order to achieve their ends the planners must acquire power over others. Their success will depend on the extent of how much power they receive. Democracy is an obstacle to this suppression of freedom which the centralized direction of economic activity requires. Hence arises the clash between planning and democracy.

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                     John Holdenposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                     Yes, you were right originally - capitalist dictator.

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                        Onusonusposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                        Wrong. In order for the capitalist to gain success they must persuade the consumer that their product or service is of value. This creates competition between capitalist entities, who would not survive without the prevalence of the average man.
                        Henry Ford learned this when he lowered the cost of an automobile to the affordability of the very people who worked for him. The standard of living increased, their salaries went up their lives were easier and the economy thrived. The great downfall, of course, was when private sector unions took over and we ended up with the lovely concrete jungle that is now down town Detroit.

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                           wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                           Greed has a way of doing that - producing worthless concrete jungles - whether greed by business owners or employees.  Or even the "entitled" of the country, living off the public charity.

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                           John Holdenposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                           And aren't they very good at persuading people to buy things that they neither need nor want.

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                              Onusonusposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                              They most definitely are. However they can never force anyone to buy anything. That's what government does.

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                                 John Holdenposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                                   I bet you really believe that as well!  They really are good.

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                                    Onusonusposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                                    Last time I checked Nobody forced me to buy a TV, or a car, or a computer. However I was forced to paying into social security, and a government healthcare package chalked full of benefits I will never need.

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                                       John Holdenposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                                       Oh sure, they didn't wind your arm up your back, they are more subtle that but have you never wondered why advertisers employ psychologists?

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                                          Onusonusposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                                          So you would rather have a government official force you at gun point to buy something you don't need? Interesting...

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                                             John Holdenposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                                             What do governments sell that I might or might not want to buy?

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                                          wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                                          I once built a liquor store, quite small, and was there when the owners and employees showed up to stock the shelves.
                                          
                                          The work and psychology that went into determining where each bottle/brand went was enormous; far more than actually putting the bottles on the shelf after a location had been determined.  Psychology, past experience of sales, price, profit, location of doors, windows and checkout - it all had a play in where each brand went and I understand large, chain type, stores are much worse.
                                          
                                          Still, it's far from being forced to buy something.

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                                             John Holdenposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                                             As I said it is much more subtle than marching you up to the till at gunpoint, in fact it is so subtle otherwise aware and intelligent people deny that it happens.

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                                                Onusonusposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                                                Yes, much worse than a gulag.

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                                                wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                                                There is a huge difference between drawing your eyes to a product and making you buy it.  And that's all that such shenanigans can do - draw your eye to it.  I have no doubt that it results in more sales for that specific product, at the expense of others, but don't see it as any more evil than any other kind of advertising that produces knowledge of a product.
                                                
                                                Now some of the stores selling food here give free samples, but that can work both ways.  Half the time I gag and run the other way!

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                                                   John Holdenposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                                                   No, it's much more insidious than drawing your eye to a product.
                                                   What are your feeling on data mining as used by many (most) supermarkets?

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                                                      wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                                                      I don't use their card and pay cash when possible.  I have to trust that they don't use my credit card information to collect such data, although that is probably a rather forlorn hope.  At best, they won't know my name, address, etc. from the card and even that's very unlikely.

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                                             Onusonusposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                                             You horrible, horrible dictator. How do you sleep at night?

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                                                wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                                                *plaintively* It wasn't my store - I was just paid to help build it!

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                                                   Onusonusposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                                                   More like you were forced to build it by a bunch of power hungry capitalist pigs!

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                                                      wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                                                      I know.  And to make it worse, the owners already had 2 other stores!  Both of them about the same size as a 7-11 store!  Power Hungry Capitalist Pigs at their worst!
                                                      
                                                      Their sales goods were top of the line, though - they had one bottle of something (can't remember what) that sold for over $10,000.  One bottle in the state.

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                                                         Onusonusposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                                                         They should have employed a government bureaucracy to pop the cork and distribute it evenly among the towns people.

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                                                            John Holdenposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                                                            No, your capitalist government just taxes you to repair the damage done by alcohol.

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                                                               Onusonusposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                                                               The commies in government do.

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                                                                  John Holdenposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                                                                  Quick, check under your bed for reds!

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                                                               wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                                                               No, that's only under Obamacare, similar to health care in Europe where taxes pay for it all, and even then it's going to die a horrible death because there isn't enough taxes taken in to pay for it all.
                                                               
                                                               It's only in the socialist countries where you find govt. taxing the citizens to pay for stuff other citizens want but don't want to pay for.  Mostly, anyway - although much less than the socialists the US still has far too much of that nonsense.

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                                                                  John Holdenposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                                                                  But I'm talking about governments taxing citizens to pay for the ravages of the corporations.

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                                                                     wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                                                                     Oh!  You mean where citizens voluntarily do stupid things and then feel entitled to force someone else to pay for them!
                                                                     
                                                                     Yeah, we see some of that too - entitlements really are a big thing in the US now.  Not as much as in socialist Europe, but far beyond what a country can reasonably be expected to cover.

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                                                                        John Holdenposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                                                                        No, I'm talking about when corporations screw up and the citizens are then taxed to pay for the screw ups of the corporations, like the bank bail outs and other such cons.

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                                                                        Onusonusposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                                                                        That's democracy for you.

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                                                            wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                                                            I tried to get them to share, but no dice.  Stingy, they were.  Even when I went back the next month to add some track lighting they STILL wouldn't share.

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