Al-Qaida was the name of a US computer data base (in Mujahidin era)

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   maxoxam41posted 11 years ago

   What a joke! We've been fed lies over and over.
   Pierre-Henry Bunel, former French military intelligence quoted "The truth is, there is no Islamic army or terrorist group called Al Qaida. And any informed intelligence officer knows this. But there is a propaganda campaign to make the public believe in the presence of an identified entity... The country behind this propaganda is the US".
   The truth ALWAYS comes out. We just need to look for it! Alleluiah!

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      Quilligrapherposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      
      Good evening, Max. Nice to see you back with us again.
      
      There is no evidence that you have looked for the truth.
      
      "The truth is, there is no Islamic army or terrorist group called Al Qaida. ~ Pierre-Henry Bunel
      
      First, before you believe a convicted traitor, ask Osama bin Laden. In an interview with al-Jazeera in October 2001, he explained how his group came to be called al-Qaeda. He said, “The name ‘al Qaeda’ was established a long time ago by mere chance. The late Abu Ebeida El-Banashiri established the training camps for our mujahedeen against Russia's terrorism. We used to call the training camp al Qaeda [meaning "the base" in English]. And the name stayed.” {1}
      
      Well, in addition to bin Laden, let’s see how many others believe your claim is a joke. Both Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi and Ayman al-Zawahri (who, by the way, is a member of al-Qaeda) disagree with you and the French traitor Pierre-Henry Bunel. Al-Jazeera-America published the following account on Feb. 3, 2014:
      
      “Al-Qaeda's leader Ayman al-Zawahri last May ordered ISIL to operate independently from the Nusra Front, another Al-Qaeda-linked group. However, ISIL leader Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi rejected al-Zawahri's orders and unsuccessfully sought to merge the two branches.” {2}
      
      So it seems, even al-Jazeera and the rebels fighting in Syria recognize that al-Qaeda exists, but not Maxoxam41.
      
      Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad recognizes the existence of al-Qaeda, but not Maxoxam41.
      
      “In a speech to the U.N. General Assembly, Ahmadinejad argued that al-Qaeda claiming responsibility for the attacks on the World Trade Center and the Pentagon was a bluff, aimed at manipulating people’s emotions…
      In response, al-Qaeda issued a statement calling upon Ahmadinejad to stop making assumptions about 9/11 that are contrary to what really happened and to refrain from making a statement the group described as ‘ridiculous,’” {3}
      
      The list goes on and on.
      
      “Charles Lister, visiting fellow at Brookings Doha Center, also told Reuters that the Al-Qaeda statement ‘represents an attempt by Al-Qaeda to definitively reassert some level of authority over the jihad in Syria’ following a month of ISIL disobedience.”{2}
      
      Pierre-Henry Bunel is a man that admitted in a court of law that he is untrustworthy. Only a fool would accept his claims as facts without doing independent research. Apparently you have not done any. Take a look at the man you have chosen to believe without questioning. M. Bunel was found guilty of treason by a French military court and sentenced to five years in prison.
      
      “In November 1998, a French officer, Pierre-Henri Bunel, admitted that the month before he had passed on Nato's overall target plans to a Yugoslav diplomat in Brussels. This was in October last year, five months before the bombing began. He was reported as saying that he had acted out of hatred for the US.” {4}
      
      So, in the end, it is not surprising that you are sympathetic to his cause.
      
      Thank you, Max, for sharing your joke with us. 
      
      {1} http://edition.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/asiap … ranscript/
      {2} http://america.aljazeera.com/articles/2 … evant.html
      {3} http://english.alarabiya.net/articles/2 … 69158.html
      {4} http://www.theguardian.com/world/2000/mar/09/balkans2

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         rafkenposted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Quilligrapher - Max's point here is that the CIA set up "the Base" camp and so at its start, knew all the original members but did not tell the public about the group this until after 9/11. The CIA funded and trained the group and after they got out of the CIA's control, the CIA  needed funding to try and control them and could not admit to the masses that they needed more tax dollars to try and gain back control of the millions they had already spent so who knows how much of 9/11 was influenced by the CIA, was it perhaps a plan they had taught these people to use on another country, after all, aren't many of today's dictators, ones that the CIA had put in place many years ago, to abate communism? Therefore before any real facts had been gathered, the opportunity to blame the group was jumped on. It is perhaps worth noting that, although most of the so called 9/11 terrorists were from so called friendly Arab nations, not even a slap on the wrist was given to them, yet invasions on countries from where none of the terrorists originated, occurred. The so called "intelligence community" within the US has gotten completely out of any bodies control and has now become more of a liability to the US than an asset, there are now so many "specialist" groups working alone, often hampering others, that there is no longer any one truely intelligent source and certainly not one available to the President at any one time, let alone the American people.

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            maxoxam41posted 11 years agoin reply to this

            Thanks for this precision.

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            Quilligrapherposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            Greetings, Mr. Rafkin. I do not believe I have had the pleasure of chattng with you in the past. It is a pleasure for me to do so now.
            
            While your comments are indeed welcome, I am pretty sure that the points you attribute to Max, in fact, belong to you and not to him. Although I truly appreciate your input, there really is no need to explain to us what he meant when we all read what he wrote. The history behind the name “al-Qaeda” and early CIA involvement are interesting background but they are not at all related to the falsehoods and the distortions Max applauds in his post.
            
            Max wrote:
            “ What a joke! We've been fed lies over and over.
            Pierre-Henry Bunel, former French military intelligence quoted "The truth is, there is no Islamic army or terrorist group called Al Qaida. And any informed intelligence officer knows this. But there is a propaganda campaign to make the public believe in the presence of an identified entity... The country behind this propaganda is the US".
            The truth ALWAYS comes out. We just need to look for it! Alleluiah!”
            
            As a minor sidebar comment, lies in forum posts are not a joke and this forum has seen far too many false, distorted, unsupported, misleading, and slanderous statements.
            
            In an article he published in 2005, former Col. Bunel falsely claims as the truth 1) there is no Islamic army and 2) there is no terrorist group called al-Qaeda. This is in 2005, four years after his conviction.
            
            However, bin Laden himself speaking to al-Jazeera in October 2001 said, “The late Abu Ebeida El-Banashiri established the training camps for our mujahedeen against Russia's terrorism.”  Those camps bin Laden speaks of, Mr. Rafkin, had been training an Islamic army in Afghanistan for "our mujahedeen" against Russia; an army that Mr. Bunel claimed did not exist! {1}
            
            Secondly, when Mr. Bunel made his false claims in 2005, there was indeed a terrorist group called al-Qaeda. Osama bin Laden, again in 2001, said, “The name ‘al Qaeda’ was established a long time ago by mere chance. The late Abu Ebeida El-Banashiri established the training camps for our mujahedeen against Russia's terrorism. We used to call the training camp al Qaeda [meaning "the base" in English]. And the name stayed.” {2}
            
            While bin Laden clearly disagrees with M. Bunel over the origin of the tag, he clearly confirms that his organization had accepted that name as their identity within a month after 9/11!
            
            The French traitor Bunel went on to say, “But there is a propaganda campaign to make the public believe in the presence of an identified entity representing the 'devil'.” Yes indeed, there was a campaign, hardly propaganda, to inform the public about a “devil” when they identified the entity of those responsible for 9/11. Bin Laden himself confirmed responsibility for 9/11 in a video delivered to al-Jazeera. “As I looked at those demolished towers in Lebanon, it entered my mind that we should punish the oppressor in kind and that we should destroy towers in America.” [Bold emphasis added.]{3}
            
            M. Bunel was deliberate in not mentioning bin Laden’s 1996 worldwide fatwa against Americans and Israelies when he made his "propaganda" claim: 
            “My Muslim Brothers of The World:
            Your brothers in Palestine and in the land of the two Holy Places are calling upon your help and asking you to take part in fighting against the enemy –your enemy and their enemy– the Americans and the Israelis.” {4}
            
            In 2005, this former intelligence officer trained in the art of duplicity, accused the CIA of a “propaganda campaign” knowing about bin Laden’s threats in both his first fatwa in 1996 and his second fatwa against ALL Americans in 1998. “ We — with God’s help — call on every Muslim who believes in God and wishes to be rewarded to comply with God’s order to kill the Americans and plunder their money wherever and whenever they find it.” {5}
            
            Of course, Mr. Rafkin, you are at liberty to rationalize Max’s praise of false statements from a man convicted of treason after he changed his testimony twice while under oath. If you still believe Mr. Bunel is a truthful and trustworthy person, then visit his Facebook profile where he lists is occupation as “Government Official.” {6}
            
            I sincerely appreciate your making the time, Mr. Rafkin, to respond to my comments. Your speculation about what goes on within the very secretive CIA is quite interesting.
            
            {1} http://edition.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/asiap … ranscript/
            {2} Ibid.
            {3} http://rense.com/general59/full.htm
            {4}
            http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/mil … he-rundown
            {5}
            http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/mil … he-rundown
            {6}
            https://www.facebook.com/pages/Pierre-H … 2165824145

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         maxoxam41posted 11 years agoin reply to this

         I stumbled upon the documentary "zeitgeist: addendum", it reveals it all. No need of your babbling. When you will be open to the truth then I will listen. At the moment I am a step before you in the understanding of the past, I ALWAYS move forward. You WON'T slow down my progression.
         Al-Djazeera is Qatari, in what way is it relevant? In what way can I trust a media that is sponsored by radical Islam, the same ones that are eating hearts and killing children with gas in Syria? Are you pro radical Islam now? No NYTimes, anymore?
         Bunel like Snowden and Manning, all traitors as soon as they open their mouths to say the truth... So much for our freedom of speech!

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            Quilligrapherposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            Hi there, Max. I am happy to see you are in favor of free speech.
            
            However, the freedom to speak freely does NOT relieve the speaker of his ethical obligation to accept full responsibility for all damage caused by his speech. 
            
            If Snowden thinks his decisions were both legal and moral then he should face his accusers and defend his actions.
            
            Pfc. Manning, to her credit, had the courage to face the court and to plead guilty to 10 of the 21 charges. She was prepared to accept responsibility for her actions.
            
            I hope you have a pleasant evening, Max.
            

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   sparksterposted 11 years ago

   Pierre-Henry Bunel is certainly not the only military official who claims this either.

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      wildernessposted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Wonder what any of the deniers have to say about the bin Laden explanation of the group's origins and name?  That he didn't exist, either?

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         maxoxam41posted 11 years agoin reply to this

         Given that he was connected to the CIA, I rest my case.

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            wildernessposted 11 years agoin reply to this

            That would be a good thing - a case without evidence isn't worth much.

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      maxoxam41posted 11 years agoin reply to this

      Finally some rationality.

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