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   ahorsebackposted 9 years ago

   Let's see just how long this  death will stay in the news  ,   a man who could never  say ," I will see you tonight Mom " .    Killed while on duty in NY City last week  .    Let's see if our media  remembers for more than the usual ten second tribute .  Or if all the AL Sharpton's  of the night  show up for the funeral .   Lets see if all the forum dwellers who hate authority ,who push the conspiracy theories care .
   
   

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      rhamsonposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      A very good divisive post. Taking a tragedy and injecting outside data to incur anger and judgmental opinion. The "us" and "them" personification of the tragedy does what to change the recent attacks against authority? Does it make the perpetrators any more cognizant of your opinion? What understanding are you trying to change or reenforce? What understanding of yours are you trying to portray? What is the root of the problem you think could define anything to help turn it around? Or are you trying to vent but in the process stirring something up to further your anger? The "us" and "them" scenario is what got all of us here in the first place.

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         ahorsebackposted 9 years agoin reply to this

         MY point ,  .....How quickly the conspiracy theorists , The media  and the soft hearted liberals jump onto the  " Police state  " wagon  when a thug is shot by a cop , how quickly Al Sharpton  buys a plane ticket  to the crime scene    !   And  then perhaps on  page six of the  all of US media  outlets  , we see where a cop is killed ;    Pretty quiet here on the forums  when it's  just a cop !

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            rhamsonposted 9 years agoin reply to this

            Good try on the turn as I stated. Very devisive on your part.

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      gentlespiritbearposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Good for you my man! I totally agree one hundred percent with you! I also feel sorry for this gentleman who lost his life trying to protect people like us. So for that I wish to say thank you very much for risking your life for us even though the press as well as the radio stations just don't care.

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   kimberlyfriendposted 9 years ago

   Well unfortunately there is anger ...Unfortunately officers are being retaliated against for the actions of other officers, such as the Brooklyn man, Brinsley who stated to his Instagram followers, “burn the flag” in protest of the recent police killings of black men. “Marching up and down the streets does little to nothing to bring awareness to serious matters,” he wrote. “So let’s ruffle some feathers and take it into our own hands and make them watch in horror as we burn what they represent.” (BY Tina Moore, 2014) Before he shot his girlfriend and killed officers Rafael Ramos and Wenjian Liu in their squad car.
   
   I hope that this was not the case here but This brings the question was this some retaliation brought on by the Baltimore riots? These people  rather than peacefully demonstrate for the questionable death of a man at the hands of officers, three which were black,  choose the mentality of Brinsley, lets burn Baltimore, loot and terrify “them”. I am sorry this is when justice is no longer about justice, this is when justice becomes something tainted and unbalanced. Who pays for the lives lost or the injuries sustained in street violence.
   
   This is our problem "Fear" of inciting violence or offending someone, what about what is Right!! This riot and the officers killed by Brinsley was about that "us" and "them", they chose to bring that mentality to the forefront !!

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   wildernessposted 9 years ago

   
   
   "COEUR D’ALENE, Idaho — A 16-year veteran of the Coeur d’Alene police force died of a gunshot wound Tuesday night, just hours after he was shot trying to stop a man who stole his patrol car, the department announced."
   
   http://q13fox.com/2015/05/05/coeur-dale … atrol-car/

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   ahorsebackposted 9 years ago

   Exactly , where is the social conscience  and outrage there ?     How far off  can a  collective social conscience be  before it ever rights itself ?    I for one ,  am tired of the "Thug " mentality of  much of our youth culture .     It's pretty hard to feel sympathy for those who practice thuggery   like a religion and then feel sorry for them when they go down , no matter what race .

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      rhamsonposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      "Thuggery" as you call it the negative effect of social collapse. How to survive in a lawless culture if you will. Strike first or be struck down and better yet strike as a bigger group than the other before being struck down. The night belongs to the lawless in these neighborhoods. Try and turn them in is signing your own death warrant. What you are asking is for extraordinary individuals to take up the cause for what? To die? Remember it is about survival and not community. You have a congressmen running around telling everyone to be calm and peaceful in Baltimore. What has he done in almost twenty years for this community in decay? His only retort to the violence and looting is be peaceful and calm? Lets just see where the calm and peaceful gets this community from now on.

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   wildernessposted 9 years ago

   
   
   Trevor Casper (May 21, 1993 – March 24, 2015) was a state trooper for the Wisconsin State Patrol. On his first solo assignment in uniform,[2] Trooper Casper was shot and killed[3] in Fond du Lac, Wisconsin while attempting to apprehend a bank robbery and murder suspect on March 24, 2015.
   
   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trevor_Casper

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   wildernessposted 9 years ago

   
   
   "Police Officer Michael Johnson was shot and killed as he and other officers responded to a suicide threat at an apartment in the 2600 block of Senter Road shortly after 6:40 pm.
   A friend of the subject in the apartment had called police and stated the man was drunk and was possibly having thoughts of hurting himself. As officers approached the building the man stepped onto the balcony and opened fire without warning, fatally wounding Officer Johnson. Other officers returned fire and provided aid to Officer Johnson."
   
   http://privateofficer.org/lodd-police-o … l-johnson/

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   wildernessposted 9 years ago

   Officers killed in the line of duty, 2015 to date:  41
   
   Yes, where is Sharpton?  How many of us heard of any of them?  Or do they not matter; only when a cop kills a black man does it matter?
   
   
   http://www.odmp.org/search/year

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      Credence2posted 9 years agoin reply to this

      nobody is discrediting the role of our law enforcement officers. Police are paid and equipped to deal with the criminal element and deal with the level of danger associated with the job they have chosen. Are those shootings of officers in the line of duty, tragic? Yes, certainly so.  But, I just think that police abuse of civilians, shooting unarmed people is outside of the rules and regulations as to how they comport themselves and therefore rises to another level and it is not the same. I hold the cops to a higher standard than the criminals that they are to apprehend.

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         wildernessposted 9 years agoin reply to this

         Yes, Credence, I think you ARE discrediting the role of our cops.  They are there to protect us, not coddle criminals, and that's something our society seems to have forgotten (at least until they need help).  Every year we hamstring our cops a little tighter while demanding more of them.  And every year we, as a nation, get a little looser about following laws ourselves.
         
         We see comments insinuating that a cop can never, under any circumstances, shoot an unarmed person.  Foolish though such a statement is, we still see it and we see it ever more often.  Next will be that a cop can't shoot until shot himself, I suppose.
         
         We see statements that dead cops are tragic, but quickly move on to the next dead thug, in order that the mob be allowed to hang a cop.
         
         We see excuses that cops are paid to have a dangerous job, as if that justifies the carnage in blue.  It doesn't.
         
         So yes, you are discrediting the role of our cops.  They are not baby-sitters, but a para-military force hired to protect us.  When we see the Baltimore riots going on while that blue line stands there and watches there is something wrong, and what is wrong is that we'd rather accept criminal actions (as long as it isn't directed at us) before allowing any possible harm to the thugs burning and destroying.  I disagree.

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            Credence2posted 9 years agoin reply to this

            What is your idea of coddling criminals? Is not shooting unarmed people coddling them? There should be very damn few instances that justifies a cop shooting an unarmed person. Those are not the kinds of things that you have to consider in rural Idaho, a great deal I am sure. That idyllic place you call home with Sheriff Taylor. In more urbanized parts of the country, the problems are different. Let me ask you then, just how much freedom and license do you think that they (law officers) should have? I want that proper balance maintained between society's interests in law and order and protection of the public, criminal or not from abuse that is not warranted by law enforcement.
            
            Ok, Sgt. Friday, if there is no danger posed by an individual, why shoot people that are unarmed and not a threat?  How do you justify this, in minority circles these matters are substantive issues.

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               wildernessposted 9 years agoin reply to this

               "In more urbanized parts of the country, the problems are different."
               
               Why?  Possibly because we tie the hands of the police, and encourage bad behavior by criminals that know they won't be punished?
               
               "why shoot people that are unarmed and not a threat"
               
               Which happens only in extremely rare circumstances.  Of course "threat" has to be defined, and if the minorities wish "threat" to mean only shooting a cop, why then they will see rampant criminal activity in their neighborhood.  Which they do.
               
               Credence, when ordinary citizens have to line up in front of cops in riot gear to protect them from "unarmed" thugs there is just something wrong, and it isn't because cops are too free to kill.
               
               
               
               
               Ask yourself why this would ever happen.  Why is it necessary to protect armed cops from "unarmed" rioters, and by ordinary citizens.  You may find a hint of what goes wrong when we constantly hamstring our cops.

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      rhamsonposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Your point being where is the outrage for slain police officers as a means to discredit others. I don't care for Al Sharpton at all and detest his divisive tirades but that has nothing to do with the validity of the claims of unfair and racially profiled arrests. Is it also your point the police are morally in the right and should suffer less criticism and more heroic stature due to performing their duty? Sure if it is warranted but not all cases are the same and the nature of searching out and confronting criminals carries with it the possibility of getting shot and killed. What of the case of being black and just being racially profiled as a suspect because of it. And then dying in the process to later be found innocent?
      
      I can come up with statistics all day long to counter how many unarmed and suspicious blacks are killed. How does that help the case for a solution to these conditional actions?
      
      http://www.occupy.com/article/black-man … urs-police
      
      http://www.motherjones.com/politics/201 … led-police
      
      http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/1 … s-suggest/

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         ahorsebackposted 9 years agoin reply to this

         We can ALL  come up with "statistics " that support our beliefs , whether  real or supportive of false agenda's and opinions  !     The truth , however is singular !   Our cop's  are the front line of a new war, a war against  our very decency in fact .  Many  , especially  or youth   have no real idea of morals , of mature and  decent social standards .  Our cop's are now not just cop's anymore , they are social workers ,   day care worker's ,doctors ,  drug councilor's   and yes ,  EMT's  and druggist's  ,   
         
         Just what more would you expect them TO be ,   Godlike  perhaps ?
         
         They are also simply  very human !
         
         By the way ,  your sources for statistic's are somewhat questionable .

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            rhamsonposted 9 years agoin reply to this

            By the way that was my point precisely.

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         wildernessposted 9 years agoin reply to this

         From your link: "The 1,217 deadly police shootings from 2010 to 2012 captured in the federal data..."
         
         Meaning that around 400 people are shot each year by police.  And it costs us about 120 dead police to do so.  Considering that the large majority of that 400 is 100% justified, how is it that we ignore the police dead?  How is it that we glorify the thugs being shot and automatically (automatically, mind you) vilify any cop that pulls the trigger?  Why do dead cops not make any but local news? 
         
         Answer: because it suits the purposes of the likes of Al Sharpton and reader hungry media to do so.  And we as a people are being sucked in as too stupid and too ignorant to notice that - we the people are at the point that any and every cop shooting not only merits an investigation (it always has) but a noose as well.  Every cop that pulls a trigger is immediately guilty of murder, and to verify that attitude just look at the comments coming from the people when it happens.  Without having the faintest idea of what happened, the cop is already hung in their minds.
         
         How many of those 41 cops killed this year made the national news?  How many black men shot by cops made the national news?  How many white men shot by cops made the national news? Why?
         
         Answer: because the likes of Sharpton get to scream out their racial hatred, which the media grabs as an attention getter and blasts to anyone that can hear or read.  And the deluded people soon come to think that all cops are on the racist rampage (no, I do not include you, rhamson). 
         
         Now, the media (and Sharpton) could wait for a guilty verdict, but neither one gets what they want that way,do they?  Sharpton doesn't get his moment of ugly fame and the media might lose readership - either way it isn't happening.

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            rhamsonposted 9 years agoin reply to this

            "Considering that the large majority of that 400 is 100% justified,"
            
            Now that's a good one!

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               wildernessposted 9 years agoin reply to this

               So?  And how many of the cops are now behind bars?

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                  rhamsonposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                  I guess we will never know. 100% that is.

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                     wildernessposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                     Best guess could be done by counting.  Which gives the "large majority" indicated doesn't it?

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                        rhamsonposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                        Maybe your selective style of counting.

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                           wildernessposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                           Or your own.  But I referred to simply counting the number of cops that are in jail for shooting someone "in the line of duty".  Even the most active liberal can only do so much with something that simple (except to say that most of the guilty were not jailed, but of course that's another matter).

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                              rhamsonposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                              "shooting someone "in the line of duty".
                              
                              How can you be sure of this number? Are all of them justified?

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                                 wildernessposted 9 years agoin reply to this

                                 Picked the number off the net - accept it or not as you choose.  And I already said not all were justified ("large majority" does not mean "all", regardless of how you might spin it).

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   ahorsebackposted 9 years ago

   I believe Americans in very  high numbers  have become convinced that cops are on a war path against poor innocent  children ,  THIS attitude  is all fired by an extremely  ill-  inciting media !    The naiveté'  of  average  liberal  "intellectual's  follows suit   and  hence ,   there has been born  an attitude towards  cop's  that  resembles the much  idolized  attitude of the 'sixties generation '  , If it's anything resembling authority - it's got to be ALL bad ! 
   
   I am ashamed of the once fairly decent - mainstream media  in this sense ,   free speech has risen to a new level of pure un-aduleven older people .terer stupidity   AND all of this is multiplied ten-fold by all  the ultra  liberal sources  in social  media .
   
   One thing that has become more than obvious to me  is the sucker mentality of even older people !

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      rhamsonposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      So the answer is don't report it, or not so much, or put a different slant on it? They don't have a choice because they are competing for viewership and consequently commercial revenue. Is this capitalism run amok?

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         ahorsebackposted 9 years agoin reply to this

         Actually  an honest , unbiased ,  centrally accurate slant on media  reporting would be excellent !  That's all I'm saying .   if you are implying that there is accuracy in he media today .....well let's just say , Not !
         
         Sensationalism is the new  and only rule of  mainstream media .

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            rhamsonposted 9 years agoin reply to this

            What do you expect from a source of information that has been turned into "infotainment".

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               ahorsebackposted 9 years agoin reply to this

               +++++

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      gentlespiritbearposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Once again I have to agree with you.

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   psycheskinnerposted 9 years ago

   How about everyone just taking every murder seriously for whatever reason it occurs which includes in some cases criminality and in others racial bias?  Why attack people because they happen or are inclined to be more involved with some of the murders that happen every single day than others.  Compassion for all victims is to be applauded.

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      rhamsonposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      I agree! These conversations too often turn into a all or nothing argument. If one side agrees with the other on a point then they are proven wrong and then picked at until they walk away.

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    Sandra Michealsposted 9 years ago

    I am also agree.

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