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Confederate Battle Flag: Symbol of Racism

  1. Don W profile image84
    Don Wposted 3 years ago

    The principle the constitution of the Confederacy was founded upon:

    "Our new Government is founded upon exactly the opposite ideas; its foundations are laid, its cornerstone rests, upon the great truth that the negro is not equal to the white man; that slavery, subordination to the superior race, is his natural and moral condition." (Vice President Alexander Stephens, 1861)

    Though never officially adopted as the national flag of the confederacy, the confederate battle flag, commonly referred to as the Confederate Flag, has come to represent the confederacy and its ideals. It was adopted by the Klu Klux Klan at the turn of the 20th century as it symbolised the same principle: "the negro is not equal to the white man". And it continues to be used as the preferred symbol of hatred today:

    http://static01.mediaite.com/med/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/CH9A7YpWcAAeLNM.jpg

    As of now this symbol of a pro-slavery South during the civil war, is currently flying at full staff (all other official flags are flying at half staff, but a state law prevents this flag from being lowered) outside the State House in S.C. Isn't it time this symbol of racism and hatred was removed from public buildings and placed in a museum where it belongs?

    1. Credence2 profile image81
      Credence2posted 3 years agoin reply to this

      In consideration of the White South, many say that it is a symbol of historical heritage. It was the South/Confederacy's finest hour. The men were courageous, brave and resourceful, while fighting for all the wrong things.  Living in the southeast US, I have seen this battle standard flown from the back of cars and pickups. These guys are telling us all that they remain "unreconstructed', after 150 years. I don't have time to waste trying to demonize these people, I have bigger fish to fry.  I am more interested in what goes on in the South Carolina statehouse and in Washington in regard to racial justice than to be concerned over the symbolism that a piece of cloth has for a few people.

      But putting it in  a prominent place on the state house grounds and public buildings is not appropriate no more than my insisting that the multicolor afro-banner go there. The state and its taxpayer dollars representing all of its residents are sending the wrong message. The flag is not the state flag and is not representative of all of South Carolina. Yes, it should be retired to the museum.

  2. aware profile image66
    awareposted 3 years ago

    The confederacy  never became a nation.  It didnt   bring slavery to america. Or invent  it.slavery in America  is from. 1501 to 1865..what flag flew in that time.it?  It wasnt the stars and bars. It was the stars and stripes.  And various European  nations  flags.

    1. Don W profile image84
      Don Wposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      This is not the stars and bars, it is the Confederate battle flag. The stars and bars is a different flag altogether.

      Both are symbols of a failed rebellion, that was founded on the principle of racism and fought for the preservation of slavery. And you are right, the confederacy never became a nation, so why should its battle flag be flown in front of buildings paid for by taxpayers? They are part of the country's history, so they should be preserved in museums, but not flown in front of public buildings. What's the difference between this and a German town flying a Swastika in front of its local goverment building. That's part of history too right?

      1. Colin Quartermain profile image94
        Colin Quartermainposted 3 years agoin reply to this

        I believe there is a law in Germany and Austria making it illegal to fly the Swastika. I'm not sure that its even on display on museum pieces, like aircraft.

        Could you possible expand on why the battle flag is considered racist for me, a UK reader? To be perfectly honest its a flag I most closely with associate with the Dukes of Hazzard rather than anything else, and my A-level history supposedly taught me that there were slavery states that sided with the Union in the US Civil War.

        1. Credence2 profile image81
          Credence2posted 3 years agoin reply to this

          We are flattered to have you drop by.

          The Confederate flag represented seceding states who had a fundamental objective of continuing the institution of slavery. This rebellion was crushed at a great cost. Those that resented the outcome of the war and were determined to keep the new freeman in a stage of bondage, saw the Confederate flag as their symbol of resistance to being "reconstructed" in the aftermath. It was much used as a symbol of racist intimidation by those who resisted Black aspirations for equality well after the War's end.  The black community continues to  see this resistance as a source of hostility

  3. ahorseback profile image77
    ahorsebackposted 3 years ago

    I've always believed that the confederate flag  should be outlawed  from flying  anywhere in public .  The worst war losses in American history  were in the war between the states .     There should be no flag of  the confederacy flown at ANY state house !      Both the North and the South suffered extensive  losses of young men and ,  for that !    I have lived in the south and feel ashamed whenever I 've seen that flag .

    1. Don W profile image84
      Don Wposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      My things have reached a tipping point. There seems to be quite a few people suggesting that the flag be removed now.

    2. janesix profile image61
      janesixposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      There should be no flag but the United States flag flown at any state house period.

  4. ahorseback profile image77
    ahorsebackposted 3 years ago

    Its just time !   It simply represents too much negativity to too many people . ! Free speech or not !   The rights of speech has to have been  written to include some sense of responsible and compassion in  that very free speech !

    1. janesix profile image61
      janesixposted 3 years agoin reply to this

      No, it isn't time for your Orwellian society. It never is.

      1. ahorseback profile image77
        ahorsebackposted 3 years agoin reply to this

        I would think that common sense might dictate that  there are times when liberal mindset of "anything goes "  just goes away ! Perhaps even  out of  simple and common decency , and yet there are those who will always come full circle   with  the regurgitation of such senseless drivel .

  5. colorfulone profile image83
    colorfuloneposted 3 years ago

    Here is how the slain pastor may have felt about the Confederate flag. Surprised me.
    http://allenbwest.com/2015/06/whoa-this … rate-flag/

  6. Superkev profile image86
    Superkevposted 3 years ago

    Question: How will outlawing the Confederate flag prevent the next shooting of this nature or improve the lives of black Americans?

    The flag is not the problem. If it was then the murder rates in places like Chicago and Detroit should be nil.

    If the State of South Carolina's gov't wishes to take it down from the Statehouse, and the people of that state agree, then so be it. But do not try to pretend that the problem is a flag.

    1. Credence2 profile image81
      Credence2posted 3 years agoin reply to this

      Great, put it to a vote. Are so obtuse to not see what is going on? I don't want that symbol and what it represents on the statehouse that represent me and the taxes that I pay. It is time to retire the old rag and not give a prominent place in the public square. No one is outlawing it, you want to fly it from your pickup truck, ahead. I don't care if it sold and you can buy it. Just fly it from your own yard. Yes, the flag and its prominence is one of the problems.

      1. Superkev profile image86
        Superkevposted 2 years agoin reply to this

        If that is what the people of the state want, then yes, they have the right. I will also mention that it is the ethnic minority, female, republican governor of that state that is having it removed.

        That being said, the flag is not even a little bit of the problem, to state otherwise is utter nonsense.

        Also, Amazon has suspended sales of the Confederate Battle Flag yet continues to sell Nazi and ISIS flags. Hypocrite much?
        http://usercontent1.hubimg.com/12493912.jpg

  7. ahorseback profile image77
    ahorsebackposted 2 years ago

    I guess in a perfect world , we would ALL love one country !  American's everywhere would feel secure , patriotic , part of one  nation  , one people , one faith . But , it's just not to be .   Like all countries , many ,many of them anyway , eventually  America  will fall ., the problem is though , I believe  it will fall from within !

 
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