I didn't research this, but worthy of research. This came in my e-mail today as a forward from several unknown sources.
Just a quick refresher course lest we forget what has happened to many "friends" of the Clinton's
1-James McDougal - Clinton 's convicted Whitewater partner died of an apparent heart attack, while in solitary confinement. He was a key witness in Ken Starr's investigation.
2 -Mary Mahoney - A former White House intern was murdered July 1997 at a Starbucks Coffee Shop in Georgetown. The murder happened just after she was to go public with her story of sexual harassment in the White House.
3- Vince Foster - Former White House counselor and colleague of Hillary Clinton at Little Rock 's Rose Law firm. Died of a gunshot wound to the head, ruled a suicide.
4- Ron Brown - Secretary of Commerce and former DNC Chairman. Reported to have died by impact in a plane crash. A pathologist close to the investigation reported that there was a hole in the top of Brown's skull resembling a gunshot wound. At the time of his death
Brown was being investigated, and spoke publicly of his will ingness to cut a deal with prosecutors. The rest of the people on the plane also died. A few days later the air Traffic controller committed suicide.
5- C. Victor Raiser II- Raiser, a major player in the Clinton fund raising organization died in a private plane crash in July 1992
6- Paul Tulley - Democratic National Committee Political Director found dead in a hotel room in Little Rock , September 1992. Described by Clinton as a "dear friend and trusted advisor".
7- Ed Willey - Clinton fund raiser, found dead November 1993 deep in the woods in VA of a gunshot wound to the head. Ruled a suicide. Ed Willey died on the same day his wife Kathleen Willey claimed Bill Clinton groped her in the oval office in the White House Ed Willey was involved in several Clinton fund raising events.
8-Jerry Parks -Head of Clinton's gubernatorial security team in Little Rock . Gunned down in his car at a deserted intersection outside Little Rock . Park's son said his father was building a dossie r on Clinton . He allegedly threatened to reveal this information. After he died the files were mysteriously removed from his house.
9-James Bunch - Died from a gunshot suicide. It was reported that he had a "Black Book" of people which contained names of influential people who visited prostitutes in Texas and Arkansas .
10-James Wilson - Was found dead in May 1993 from an apparent hanging suicide. He was reported to have ties to Whitewater.
11- Kathy Ferguson- Ex-wife of Arkansas Trooper Danny Ferguson, was found dead in May 1994, in her living room with a gunshot to her head. It was ruled a suicide even though there were several packed suitcases, as if she were going somewhere. Danny Ferguson was a co-defendant along with Bill Clinton in the Paula Jones lawsuit. Kathy Ferguson was a possible corroborating witness for Paula Jones.
12-Bill Shelton - Arkansas State Trooper and fiance of Kathy Ferguson. Critical of the suicide ruling of his fiance, he was found dead in June, 1994 of a gunshot wound also ruled a suicide at the grave site of his fiance.
13-Gandy Baugh - Attorney for Clinton 's friend Dan Lassater, died by jumping out a window of a tall building January, 1994. His client was a convicted drug distributor.
14-Florence Martin - Accountant & subcontractor for the CIA, was related to the Barry Seal Mena Airport drug smuggling case. He died of three gunshot wounds.
15- Suzanne Coleman - Reportedly had an affair with Clinton when he was Arkansas Attorney General. Died of a gunshot wound to the back of the head, ruled a suicide. Was pregnant at the time of her death.
16-Paula Grober - Clinton 's speech interpreter for the deaf from 1978 until her death December 9, 1992. She died in a one car accident.
17- Danny Casolaro - Investigative reporter. Investigating Me an Airport and Arkansas Development Finance Authority. He slit his wrists, apparently, in the middle of his investigation.
18- Paul Wilcher - Attorney investigating corruption at Me na Airport with Casolaro and the 1980 "October Surprise" was found dead on a toilet June 22, 1993 in his Washington, DCapartment. H ad delivered a report to Janet Reno 3 weeks before his death.
19-Jon Parnell Walker - Whitewater investigator for Resolution Trust Corp. Jumped to his death from his Arlington, Virginia apartment balcony August 15, 1993. He was investigating the Morgan Guaranty scandal.
20-Barbara Wise - Commerce Department staffer. Worked closely with Ron Brown and John Huang. Cause of death unknown. Died November 29, 1996. Her bruised, nude body was found locked in her office at the Department of Commerce.
21- Charles Me issner -Assistant Secretary of Commerce who gave John Huang special security clearance, died shortly thereafter in a small plane crash.
22- Dr. Stanley Heard - Chairman of the National Chiropractic Health Care Advisory Committee died with his attorney Steve Dickson in a small plane crash. Dr. Heard, in addition to serving on Clinton 's advisory council personally treated Clinton 's mother, stepfather and brother.
23- Barry Seal -Drug running pilot out of Mena Arkansas , death was no accident.
24-Johnny Lawhorn Jr. - Me chanic, found a check made out to Bill Clinton in the trunk of a car left at his repair shop. He was found dead after his car had hit a utility pole.
25-Stanley Huggins - Investigated Madison Guaranty. His death was a purported suicide and his report was never released.
26- Hershell Friday - Attorney and Clinton fund raiser died March 1, 1994 when his plane exploded.
27- Kevin Ives & Don Henry - Known as "The boys on the track" case. Reports say the boys may have stumbled upon the Mena Arkansas airport drug operation. A controversial case, the initial report of death said, due to falling asleep on railroad tracks. Later reports claim the 2 boys had been slain before being placed on the tracks. Many linked to the case died before their testimony could come before a Grand Jury.
THE FOLLOWING PERSONS HAD INFORMATION ON THE IVES/HENRY CASE:
28-Keith Coney - Died when his motorcycle slammed into the back of a truck, 7/88.
29-Keith McMaskle - Died stabbed 113 times, Nov, 1988
30-Gregory Collins - Died from a gunshot wound January 1989.
31-Jeff Rhodes - He was shot, mutilated and found burned in a trash dump in April 1989.
33-James Milan - Found decapitated. However, the Coroner ruled his death was due to "natural causes".
34-Jordan Kettleson - Was found shot to death in the front seat of his pickup truck in June 1990.
35-Richard Winters - A suspect in the Ives/Henry deaths. He was killed in a set-up robbery July 1989.
THE FOLLOWING CLINTON BODYGUARDS ARE DEAD:
36 -Major William S. Barkley Jr.
37-Captain Scott J . Reynolds >
38-Sgt. Brian Hanley
39-Sgt. Tim Sabel
40-Major General William Robertson
41-Col. William Densberger
42-Col. Robert Kelly
43-Spec. Gary Rhodes
Quite an impressive list!
This is what happens to friends of the Clinton 's ?
I believe that some are just theories and others have been suicidal, or simple accidents, if all of these people are supposedly deceased due to being slain and none of them actually came out about the truth, then why is Monica Lewinsky and all of her buddies still alive? She came out publicly along with Jennifer Flowers etc. and they are all still alive. People due die of heart attacks, vehicle accidents, gunshot wounds, spousal abuse, abandonment , age, unfortunately I just don't buy it. Sad things happen to powerful people, we have seen a lot of death around our family from family to friends and we did not have our hand in their deaths, suicides or health due to there passing. I don't think the Clinton's had anything to due with any of the deaths, it was coincidence. Just an opinion.
If you believe the democrats and the republicans are two separate entities you've been sadly misguided. Follow the money.
Sweetiepie: I think conspiracy theories is an engaging way of learning to connect dots. Are they true? Are they false? Well, at least you've done some reading and learned interesting things along the way.
Keep in my that conspiracies do afterall, exist. JFK, Watergate, Monica Lewinski, the Ides of March..you get the picture.
It must be remembered that the first job of any conspiracy, whether it be in politics, crime
or within a business office, is to convince everyone else that no conspiracy exists. The
conspirators success will be determined largely by their ability to do this.
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I don't buy into the conspiracy theories either.
A quick search on Snopes.com brings this up as a false rumour
A better thread would be "Too many deaths around Bush to be coincidence'. Oh, right...thousands of those deaths weren't coincidence, just the "unfortunate circumstances" of a war he never should've started.
Get a life and give up on kicking the Clintons. It's been done ad nauseum already. If you need something to occupy your time, visit any Veterans Admin Hospital and do whatever you can to cheer up one of Bush's "unfortunates" who didn't die in Iraq.
Yea, there is a lot of truth to that. I had some personal dealings with the Clinton's during their Governorship. They are quite anti-christian.
This is the type of mentality that elects people like president Bush. The Clintons are Christians, but you know they do not have to be, and honestly why should we care about their religion. Clinton was a good president and I am sorry people are still finding dirt on him. He was not perfect, but like a few have noted what about all the things that happened under Bush. This list of people associated with Clinton that died, well people get on with years and this happens. Cannot believe people buy into these conspiracy theories.
Lita: Isn't snopes.com kinda like wikipedia? To settle for either of those sources as fact is an easy out. I was hoping to inspire more in depth skill (which I don't have).
Jama: If there had been a list this long sent around about Bush I would have posted it too, please refrain from judgment of someone you don't know...me ! Isn't it better to look at all information, than to be biased on either side? I am not nieve enough to think that people in government are clean. I find it a better stance to not be biased right or left when it comes to political representatives.
Did you actually read the Snopes report and their references? It certainly shows more research and logic than the unsubstantiated claims of a mass email that has been doing the rounds for years.
Here's the Bush list! -
Of course, there is corruption everywhere and there may well be one of two 'real' connections, but these lists are just pap.
Note that Ron Brown appears on both lists - making the point that the facts can be twisted to fit the bill (or the george).
Many of the people on these lists were connected to shady characters with no connection to the Clintons. South American drug dealers, for instance. Many on the Bush list were high-up employees of Enron and Arthur Anderson, and committed suicide when that mess unraveled. Others were old and died of natural causes.
A little food for thought: any real conspiracy would not involve so many deaths by gunshot. Much easier to make it look like a person walked out the door and never came back. The skeletal remains, if ever found, would be devoid of any evidence to determine cause of death.
Snopes is I believe a good beginning. Research takes skill and investigative depth, it is true. After a while, you begin to be able to tell, just by looking at the way it is written (not always the case)if it rings valid or not.
Investigative reporting is what we have reporters for. Unfortunately, not many real ones are left!
You are right in saying not all of government is clean. I would recommend you read Noam Chomsky--although he is something of a libertarian, he does lean decidedly left, so...you might not like that. But that's what he does. Reads and reads and reads and does a very good job interpreting the morass.
Snopes is NOT Wikipedia. False equivalence. You're dismissing them solely because you don't agree with what they've come up with. No, Virginia, there is no Clintonian conspiracy.
If you haven't researched this topic already (as I have) you should.
It's truly an eye-opening thing.
I am always pissed when I see the "No one died when Clinton lied" bumper stickers, I just want to scream "HELLO! VINCE FOSTER ANYONE?!?"
It's only a small part of the corruption that goes on in government...
Vince Foster committed suicide...and I believe that...
Holy Cow!! Makes you wonder. But how can he get away with this is he is behind it all?
Thanks for bringing this to our attention. I thinks stuff like this is wonderfully entertaining.
The only thing in life we are sure of, is that one day we are going to die
C'mon, strictly coincidence. Some people just attract suicidal and accident prone friends. One more recent item, an officer that was involved in the passport event before the election, and who was thought to be cooperating with the investigation was shot and killed in his car last week. Guess who one of the passport info looked at belonged to. Yes, hillary clinton. OK, just more coincidence. Nothing to see here, move along.
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