Why would presidential candidate Bernie Sanders make THE VERY WORST president if elected? This "person" is advocated free college tuition of all things? Are YOU kidding me?! Bernie Sanders NEVER offered nor proposed anything logical as to how to improve the American economy. In fact, Mr. Sanders hasn't presented any constructive improvements to America. One can say that he has a socialist agenda for America. Furthermore, if Mr. Sanders elected, he would ruin America as we know it. Your thoughts on Bernie Sanders?
I don't know but he is proposing raising the minimum wage which would raise all kinds of money and raise more tax dividends. He also would raise the taxes on the rich and keep us out of these ridiculous wars. His stance on term limits and campaign finances is where we need to focus on pork barrel government that keeps the Congress fat and happy as well as their donors. He makes a lot of sense. A lot more than status quo Hillary.
Here is my opinion, he is better than ANY GOP candidate, and probably better than H. Clinton, because he does a better job walking the talk.
I feel the Bern and many others do as well....
another +1 here. We can take some lessons from Canada and the Scandinavian countries whose governments work for their citizens. Why should my tax dollars fund endless wars and why should special interests call the shots? Bernie has walked the talk for decades. I took notice of him when protesting the Iraq war (the 2nd time sigh) and noticed he was one of only a handful with the guts to stand up and say why it was the wrong course when everyone was all for it. He's been on the right side of history with many issues.
Has Sanders given us a reason to believe that his foreign policies would be any different than the Obama administration's failed foreign policies. He goes back to his talking point on this vote against the Iraq War, but other than that...what has he really said that he would do better or even different? I would like to hear some depth of understanding from him which I do not think he has. I'm not laughing at this joker! We do not need another socialist.
Added: More gun running from Benghazi to Syria to support ISIS?
More fast and furious gun running to the Mexican cartel?
He is NOT a promising president. https://berniesanders.com/issues/war-and-peace/
* Sanders lies..."The only mission President Bush and his neo-conservative friends accomplished was to destabilize an entire region, and create the environment for al-Qaeda and ISIS to flourish."
* What destabilized the situation was Obama pulling U.S. troops out of Iraq at the end of 2011. Three years later Obama declared Iraq a National Emergency. It was because of his failed foreign policies that created a vacuum and ISIS.
http://www.globalresearch.ca/america-cr … up/5402881
Bush and Obama are the same as far as elites go. Their goal is NWO! Bernie Sanders and Hillary aren't any different. Don't be fool! NWO is what politicians have been working toward for generations, Republicans and Democrats alike.
Bush use to spend $500billion a year.
Obama spends $1trillion a year.
How much would Sanders spend per year?
Where would the money come from for all his freebies?
Hi gm, I have not read through the entire thread, so I might be repeating something others have said. I'm just going to address the free college tuition and how it could help our economy.
First, let me ask you, do you consider your taxpayer dollars to be an investment in your country, your state, and your community? If you do, then do you agree that those dollars should be invested in ways that contribute to our growth and help us remain economically and culturally competitive with the most progressive countries? To that end, is it wise that a gifted young person, who is also poor, be deprived of an extended education that could result in that person becoming a stellar asset to our country? Is it wise that a wealthy young person, of average drive, intelligence and creativity, can buy a prestigious education while a truly gifted but poor young person is relegated to a community college or no college at all? Would you prefer that your dollars be invested in educating a gifted young person, or to fund an invasion of another foreign country, or to provide subsidies to already wealthy corporations? What are your priorities for your tax dollars?
I for one DON'T believe in free college tuition. I believe in the old fashioned way- if someone wants an education bad enough, h/she will EARN his/her way through college. Poor people have done this in the past. That is the problem with America now- too many social initiatives for hands out. I believe in the booststrap philosophy-do for self! Education is better appreciated if a person PAYS/WORKS for it, not the TAXPAYER. Middle class people such as myself am tired of being drained for social/welfare freebies. It is time that people EARN their way, don't you think?
I would not consider it a handout. I would consider it an investment, an investment that must be earned by demonstrated academic ability and a desire to succeed.
Edited to add: Our taxes fund a whole lot of stuff that I find deplorable, including some disastrous and immoral foreign policy debacles. I would be thrilled to know my money was going to something that helps all of us in the long run. A highly educated poor person is much more likely to become a highly educated middle or upper class person who can positively contributes to our society. It's an investment.
AMEN! You can't keep pushing people down year after year and then keep telling them they just aren't trying hard enough. I can't understand the disconnect in the minds of some people. An educated population is a working population who then spends their money and fuels a booming economy we all benefit from.
There are many countries who provide education for their citizens - and they have much more thriving middle classes than we do. Educate people and they'll have the means to give back to society - it is INDEED an investment.
Money on CNN -- The wealthy are not going to go for Sanders' free college tuition.
http://money.cnn.com/2015/10/16/news/ec … -spending/
And, how does he propose to pay for free healthcare too?
He is building sand castles in the air.
"Rebuild Americans' crumbling roads, bridges, airports, public transit systems and ports. Create 1 million jobs for disadvantaged youth."
I don't agree with his policies, but after I saw him speak at Liberty University, I came to admire his integrity and character.
Given that our opinions on everything political seem to always be the polar opposites, the fact that you dislike him so much just makes me want to vote for him twice!
Seriously, Bernie has my vote. Just the fact that he's running without any PACs, and refuses to take money from large corporations makes me like him. Raising the minimum wage? YES! Free public college education? YES! Break up the "too big to fail" banks? HELL YES!
And frankly, not one of the Republican candidates seems to be able to find his butt, even with a map and a flashlight. They're all a bunch of clowns, and not one of them is remotely qualified to be our president.
The REAL Joke is the Republican Panel of Loser Candidates ~ Ben Carson the Pathological Liar ~ Jeb "Jed" Bush the inept brother of the WORST president in our History George W Bush ~ Carly Fiorina one of the WORST CEO's in History who almost Destroyed Hewlett Packard and was vitually Exiled from California ~ etc etc ~ All either Losers, Inept, or Staff is under investigation ~
BTW, What else has Greed Driven Capitalism, the Failed Experiment we as a nation have been forced to endure for CENTUIRES, ever done for Working Americans except Enslave us??
I'm torn on Sanders. I really like a lot of the IDEAS, but I can't get behind the realities of them. We need changes towards the cost of college. We need better healthcare options than Obamacare and what we had before obamacare. We need to reduce the amount of money spent on fighting other country's battles. These are good IDEAS, but how do we achieve some of them without just throwing money away?
I was conservative until my mid to late 20's when it occurred to me that both parties like throwing money away just on different things.
Personally if we can throw trillions of dollars away over the years on war (something most conservatives are happy to support "bomb them") and other countries, why exactly are people uncomfortable with that money then going to the people who live here?
I have no idea where my vote will land yet. I'm not sure I can back someone so unwilling to address where the money will come from or how he plans on stop the abuse of aid. At the same time the other options are no better. It's a matter of choosing which thing I want my money going towards. Do I want my money going to government people using my tax dollars for something I don't like or to the American people even if I don't like it? Stuck between a rock and a hard place.
He has repeatedly said he wants tax reform in the top 1% earners. Change the corporate tax structure and stop the trade agreements that bleed jobs from this country. He has also said he wishes to raise the minimum wage to $15.00 per hour which will rejuvenate the economy with many more participating in spending their disposable income.
1.Demanding that the wealthy and large corporations pay their fair share in taxes. As president, Sen. Sanders will stop corporations from shifting their profits and jobs overseas to avoid paying U.S. income taxes. He will create a progressive estate tax on the top 0.3 percent of Americans who inherit more than $3.5 million. He will also enact a tax on Wall Street speculators who caused millions of Americans to lose their jobs, homes, and life savings.
2.Increasing the federal minimum wage from $7.25 to $15 an hour by 2020. In the year 2015, no one who works 40 hours a week should be living in poverty.
3.Putting at least 13 million Americans to work by investing $1 trillion over five years towards rebuilding our crumbling roads, bridges, railways, airports, public transit systems, ports, dams, wastewater plants, and other infrastructure needs.
4.Reversing trade policies like NAFTA, CAFTA, and PNTR with China that have driven down wages and caused the loss of millions of jobs. If corporate America wants us to buy their products they need to manufacture those products in this country, not in China or other low-wage countries.
5.Creating 1 million jobs for disadvantaged young Americans by investing $5.5 billion in a youth jobs program. Today, the youth unemployment rate is off the charts. We have got to end this tragedy by making sure teenagers and young adults have the jobs they need to move up the economic ladder.
6.Fighting for pay equity by signing the Paycheck Fairness Act into law. It is an outrage that women earn just 78 cents for every dollar a man earns.
7.Making tuition free at public colleges and universities throughout America. Everyone in this country who studies hard should be able to go to college regardless of income.
8.Expanding Social Security by lifting the cap on taxable income above $250,000. At a time when the senior poverty rate is going up, we have got to make sure that every American can retire with dignity and respect.
9.Guaranteeing healthcare as a right of citizenship by enacting a Medicare for all single-payer healthcare system. It’s time for the U.S. to join every major industrialized country on earth and provide universal healthcare to all.
10.Requiring employers to provide at least 12 weeks of paid family and medical leave; two weeks of paid vacation; and 7 days of paid sick days. Real family values are about making sure that parents have the time they need to bond with their babies and take care of their children and relatives when they get ill.
11.Enacting a universal childcare and prekindergarten program. Every psychologist understands that the most formative years for a human being is from the ages 0-3. We have got to make sure every family in America has the opportunity to send their kids to a high quality childcare and pre-K program.
12.Making it easier for workers to join unions by fighting for the Employee Free Choice Act. One of the most significant reasons for the 40-year decline in the middle class is that the rights of workers to collectively bargain for better wages and benefits have been severely undermined.
13.Breaking up huge financial institutions so that they are no longer too big to fail. Seven years ago, the taxpayers of this country bailed out Wall Street because they were too big to fail. Yet, 3 out of the 4 largest financial institutions are 80 percent bigger today than before we bailed them out. Sen. Sanders has introduced legislation to break these banks up. As president, he will fight to sign this legislation into law. 
Truth be told I have not been totally sold on Bernie either because I don't like a few things he stands for. But you have to weigh the good and the bad with it. I usually go into the voting booth pinching my nose as the choices always seem to stink.
 https://berniesanders.com/issues/income … nequality/
There is a lot of providing for people but where is that money really going to come from? What are the chances of him getting $15 an hour passed? Is he not taking into account that the rich already pay the majority of all of the USA taxes and yet we are still struggling? I like the man's history. One thing is for sure, he means what he says, and has a proven track record for following through when it came to his votes, but saying you want things to happen and being able to follow through with any of it are two different things. I just don't see anything on that list that I think he will be able to follow through with.
You underestimate the strength of a vibrant productive economy. The reason why we are struggling now is that fewer people have jobs that support any spending other than for necessities. Walmart is even seeing a loss of sales. As a result they are even raising wages to give people more money for employee retention and to boost sales. In some instances it has worked. Ben Carson claims that by raising the minimum wage you will create more unemployment but history shows us that in fact the opposite takes place every time the minimum wage has been increased. Yes the rich pay the most taxes by volume but not by percentages. Corporations are looking to enjoy another 20% deduction of their taxes under the GOP platform. How does that put money in the hands of the millions who buy and support the economy? Will the corporations hire more people to produce what they already do in hopes that more will buy. It is a cyclical ending place. The extra money saved by taxes being reduced will go into their shareholders pockets and increase their salaries.
Hey there rhansom,
Those points all sound good, but what about the substance behind them?
What is the much mentioned "fair share" that the wealthy and corporations should pay? How is any estate tax justified? How will he keep corporations from moving overseas completely, not just using their legal tax manipulations to move profits overseas? How is a Wall Street speculator defined for that extra tax? Only the ones that cause damage by failing, or anyone that takes a chance with their investments?
How can such a blanket statement as; "...no one who works 40 hours a week should be living in poverty." accommodate full-time workers that are in poverty due to their own poor decisions or misplaced priorities? Will he also tell full-time workers what they can spend their full-time wages on?
* I will note that I don't think a 4 year climb to that $15.00 min. wage will cause the damage opponents claim. I think those increments would be small enough to not be a jolt to our economic equilibrium. And I do think the infrastructure proposal is a good idea.
Regarding the trade pacts and agreements, I see them as a damned if you do and damned if you don't problem. Finding the middle ground that is best for the U.S. is a daunting task. But, demanding that corporations make their products in the U.S. is an unrealistic emotional reaction. Surely you remember the failure of the "Buy American" push of past years. The same voter that demands corporations keep their jobs in the U.S. is the Walmart shopper that won't pay $10 for something made in the U.S. when they can by an equal quality "China" version for $6.
The outrage mentioned in the Paycheck Fairness Act discussion rings a little hollow when opposing points about understandable possible reasons for the disparity, and opposing studies that appear to reduce that 22% gap to a 7% gap are considered. 22% makes great headlines but headlines are seldom constrained by facts.
Resuming with the single-payer healthcare idea, and the rest... each are worthy of a thread. Because I think there are obvious problems with them all.
It would be nice if the world was at a place that could accommodate Mr. Sander's ideas, but we aren't.
"What is the much mentioned "fair share" that the wealthy and corporations should pay?"
I don't know what a "fair share looks like but I would like to explore it with an open debate among elected officials that are not bought by the people who have a greedy oligarchic stake in it.
"How is any estate tax justified?"
I think the same answer might be explored as the one above should be.
"How will he keep corporations from moving overseas completely, not just using their legal tax manipulations to move profits overseas?"
Let them go overseas and tax them as any other American company that is doing business here. If you want access to the American consumer economy then support it.
"How is a Wall Street speculator defined for that extra tax?"
If he wants to play with publicly insured money then he should be willing to pay the price.
"Only the ones that cause damage by failing, or anyone that takes a chance with their investments?"
Investments that are not covered by convenient banking laws that allow them to bet against that which they tell others to invest in. Is that the one?
"How can such a blanket statement as; "...no one who works 40 hours a week should be living in poverty." accommodate full-time workers that are in poverty due to their own poor decisions or misplaced priorities? Will he also tell full-time workers what they can spend their full-time wages on?"
Are all of them suffering due to their own fault or stupidity. How many defaulted on reasonable mortgages when Wall Street crashed and people lost their jobs. It was a humongous income swap as Wall Street Banks got huge while mainstreet bailed them out while losing their homes and jobs. With the loss of those jobs many went to work at jobs with wages far below their education and experience to survive. Stupid them.
"Regarding the trade pacts and agreements, I see them as a damned if you do and damned if you don't problem. Finding the middle ground that is best for the U.S. is a daunting task. But, demanding that corporations make their products in the U.S. is an unrealistic emotional reaction."
I don't demand them to make their products in the US. What should be the demand is that if they wish to sell them here under a trade pact it should be for a price that is of a competitive labor amount based on the standard of living in this country. That is supposedly a guideline but as we have seen is seldom considered. It is a race to the bottom to manufacture outside the US to avoid taxes, labor costs, environmental considerations all the while taking advantage of the higher price they can get in the US. Just look at the Pharmaceuticals to see that.
"Surely you remember the failure of the "Buy American" push of past years."
It failed because as jobs were lost and incomes reduced no one had the money to support it. The corporations beat that to the punch.
"The same voter that demands corporations keep their jobs in the U.S. is the Walmart shopper that won't pay $10 for something made in the U.S. when they can by an equal quality "China" version for $6."
There is no comparison between US made products and cheaper parts made in China. I work on my own vehicles and I buy American made whenever possible because the Chinese made parts fail two to three times faster than does the American made parts. I found this especially true in engine and electronic parts.
"Resuming with the single-payer healthcare idea, and the rest... each are worthy of a thread. Because I think there are obvious problems with them all."
The heath insurers assured that they were always in the mix with ACA and made the government kick in where their profits would suffer. The whole lobby in that industry worked overtime on that one. Yes it is a good topic for a thread. If only it did not turn into a liberal/conservative quagmire as always.
"It would be nice if the world was at a place that could accommodate Mr. Sander's ideas, but we aren't."
You are probably right. We found out what change meant with Obama. More of the same from both sides.
I don't have a vote in the US, but if I did I'd give it to Bernie Sanders. I suspect I'd also be encouraging everyone to vote out anyone who was likely to stand in the way of implementing his policies. Of the candidates I'm aware of, he's making the most sense. Gee, what a surprise. There's a glimmer of hope for the future of America. For instance:
- Raising the minimum wage should certainly benefit your economy. It is hard to imagine that people will just stash their extra income under their mattresses or in the bank. Those who have been poor for years will happily spend their extra cash on things to improve their lifestyles.
- Therefore more cash flow for many businesses that have been struggling. and presumably the opportunity for establishing more small businesses in the future.
- Free university education would provide your country with the opportunity to put your brightest and best minds to work solving domestic, national and international problems in the future. Your country's future leaders and decision-makers could come from the smartest, (not the richest) in the land.
- Suddenly the US will be wisely recognizing the intelligence of the population as an asset to be protected and nurtured. You'll soon have an entire generation of intelligent, educated, proud university graduates, passionate about rebuilding the reputation and strength of the US.
I can see great advantages to all of his policies. Most exciting of all is the idea of having a President committed to spending money on fixing up the US instead of blowing up other parts of the world. He wants to spend money on things like infrastructure and health care and creating jobs ... where Americans can see and reap the benefits of money spent. How can anyone think that is a bad thing?
It is so much smarter to try and build your nation up, instead of tearing other nations down. The money he saves by resisting the urge to go to war should be considered when looking at his strategy for the future.
If you can just vote out all those fools who would create obstacles for him, I think you might be in with a chance of restoring the US to the status of a respected nation ... and a great place to live.
Oh, and another thing that excites me about the suggestion of free college and tertiary education is the potential to break the poverty cycle. Not only will students from poor homes have a chance to create a better future for themselves and their future families, but they are likely to offer aid and assistance to their parents and siblings. This could potentially reverse the growing homeless statistics.
I can see lots of advantages to his policies. I understand why the peers of Donald Trump wouldn't want him elected, but why wouldn't most Americans see his vision for the future as a good thing?
Good question, LTM. His vision is not seen as a positive light as it opposed to our view of ourselves are self sustaining. The world "socialism' strikes fear and terror in those that find Sanders a threat. The reality is that we are already 'socialist' in the most of the things that matter, but just don't like to mention the word. Both political parties here are wasteful in their own way, but if I am going to err it will be on behalf a citizen in need and not a military contractor, for example.
Give my regards to our friends "Down Under"!
About 45% of Democrats are socialists.
Republicans and independents are not, generally.
Most millennials don't know what socialism means.
I think millennials know what socialism is and are a lot smarter than their given credit for, which is reflected on how the majority of that demographic votes.
How many GOP's advocate plutocracy and oligarchy as opposed to Democrats?
"How many GOP's advocate plutocracy and oligarchy as opposed to Democrats?"
Oh please, do tell me! Just a guess that the Dems lean toward plutocracy and oligarchy more than the GOP does. (pejorative) (tyrannical) (Athenians)
Forbes Top 20 Richest 1% Americans: 16 Of The Top 20 Are Sanctimonious Democrats! Surprised? They ARE AlsoThe Big Liars … Also The Party Of Wall Street … Also The Party Of GE … Also The Party Of Communism, And Also The Party Of The Banking Cabalists!
http://politicalvelcraft.org/2011/11/26 … and-the-p/
The One World Government in North America will have one bank and one currency called the Amero for Canada, the United States and Mexico.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Ame … tary_union
For the Amero to come forth, first the American dollar has to collapse. Obama is trying to make it happen with spending $1trillion + annually. That is the goal of Bernie's and of Hillary's.
That's socialism. I do not think most people know the meaning of "socialism".
Oh, free this, free that! Come on!
I do not consent.
Real ID! (chips)
If, people will wake up to what "they" are doing and stand against the elite their sand castles in the air will collapse.
"Bernie is an UTTER....JOKE!" I agree 100%.
I am a critical thinker.
Don't befuddle the issue we all know that the conservatives and the GOP are more allied the corps and the desire of the affluents relative to the rest of us.
There is a classical definition for 'socialism' you need not be a rocket scientist to find it out.
For me, Trump is the UTTER JOKE, lets see what the electorate says next fall shall we?
2 issues for those against Bernie. I'm curious where some of you stand. Bernie Sanders is the only one wanting to really do something when it comes to healthcare. There are people like me out there who worked their butts off for years doing for themselves, making themselves succeed, who fall on hard times physically, being unable to work, and can no no longer care for themselves. In the USA unless you have a handful of diseases, even with tons of doctor documentation it still takes a minimum of 2 years to qualify for disability. So in that 2 years should people do without meds for the sake of buying food? Miss doctors appointments because they can't afford the $40 co pay?
Healthcare is an important issue. I am considered middle class. However after paying the outrageous cost of insurance, federal taxes, state taxes, and deductible I'm poor. This wasn't the case when I could physically go out and add to our families income, but I am sure there are many more like me in this country.
So to all of you who are so against the ideas Bernie has for Universal Health care what exactly is your candidates plan for helping someone like me who can no longer work, but is stuck waiting years before getting disability? I've asked this to several conservatives now and the question has been dodged or completely avoided each time.
Lastly, on the college aspect. When I started college I was a 16 year old in foster care. If it wasn't for your tax dollars I would have been part of the other 97% of foster children without an education. I immediately started a second degree at 18 before leaving foster care, also paid for by tax dollars. So to those against college being paid for by the government is there an exception to that or do you think all people should be disqualified from the process?
"I've asked this to several conservatives now and the question has been dodged or completely avoided each time?"
The Right has no answer and couldn't care less about your situation. That is why they are always slow to answer such pointed questions.
You're probably right. I think many fail to think about anything outside of the boxes already checked off in their head. We have to help some, I'm curious at what point many of these conservatives feel someone is worthy of their tax dollars. My vote is undecided, but what I know so far, no republican has any intention to do anything to help with the healthcare issues our country faces.
" My vote is undecided, but what I know so far, no republican has any intention to do anything to help with the healthcare issues our country faces."
Trump has a plan. I know that several of the Republican candidates running for president do have a healthcare plan already because I have read them. I am not interested to even know about the others. It just takes some reading to find out unless its on YouTube.
I found only that all of them agreeing they want to overturn Obamacare.Trump only offers saying that with no mention of what he would do in place of it. He also said he would save medicare and medicaid but did not elaborate on how. He did however say he believed in Universal heathcare but did not elaborate. Ben Carson also didn't provide more than that other than saying he supported HSAs. Lastly (because I have done no research on others) Bush has very few plans, but has a history of being against helping the mentally ill or expanding medicaid to include helping people with Chronic illness (which I have).
I have really been hoping some republican had found a link along the way with more detail than I have found in my hours of digging the internet.
Trump has said a lot about healthcare. And, ObamaCare is a catastrophe!
http://www.ontheissues.org/2016/Donald_ … h_Care.htm
Ben Carson has a very good healthcare plan.
"We didn’t need the monstrosity of the $1.2 trillion Affordable Care Act. Even after it is fully implemented for 10 years, 23 million people still won’t have any health insurance.
We need to re-establish a strong and direct relationship between patients and their physicians. For instance, I strongly support Health Savings Accounts (HSAs) which empower families to make their own decisions about their medical treatment. HSAs will also drive down health care costs while protecting patient choice and freedom.
More freedom and less government in our health care system will mean lower costs, more access, and continued innovation." https://www.bencarson.com/issues/health-care
Its really worth reading to be informed. But then, I don't care at all what Jeb Bush has up his nasty family tree healthcare plan.
I've read both of those, do you think they count as plans? At least Trump sort of says what he'd like to do. Ben Carson however says nothing really. HSA is for people with spare money. He doesn't address what the other portion of America is going to do at all. I've read pages and pages on all of them. No republican has a plan more defined than Trumps, but even that is a lot of good ideas without saying how he wants to get there.
For the record I am not a Dem, I'm independent. I also think Obama care is ridiculously horrible, it's a plan that did nothing but make situations worse for many.
Bernie supporters really need to look at his reality here in Vermont ! Enough said !
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