What would be the rational for voting for someone because of party affiliation? Are strategic party moves detrimental to the democratic process? Do we need political parties.
Now Diane, don't get me going here! Our two parties seem to be fighting to be only one and to me the party I use to affiliate with is the worst and selling out our country bringing in just anyone and everyone and giving them all they can so they can have their vote and control the world! It is happening and we will have a one world government because it is too far into the process to stop it I think.
Power is what it is all about and we should never have drank the Kool Aid...
Given todays widespread media presence , we should probably evolve the two party system to eliminate labels , the brilliance however of our founding fathers was that they saw the constructive brilliance in divisional politics. The problem though , is that getting people to think for themselves and "do the homework " required for intelligently moving our system forward isn't growing as fast as our media coverage is !
Sophomoric university system driven , Ideological party persuasion voting , peer pressure in lesser matured voters , That is where lack of intelligence will never effect progress.
That's why I decided to become a "no party affiliation." I am not a robot and make analyses to come up with my own positions.
Diane , unfortunately I believe , sometimes cynically , that we are too easily persuadable by media and political pundits , that there is a vial and indecent "go to " game they all play with us . They consider us sheep and all of us are to bow to their supposed intellectual directing .
I too vote as my conscious tells me , I split the ticket all the time and I hope that we all learn to do our own homework yet I find that people really more intelligent than I , fall for the P.C.. I have a curse to admit , I am a media junkie.
Media junkie? You too? I try to balance listening to CNN, Fox, OAN, local news, and I devour news sites on the Internet.
It is our civic responsibility to know who/what we are voting for and the impact on the economy, world and community relationships, and all of the things that inspire the person or idea to be presented for consideration.
It concerns me to hear some young people talk about voting. The Bernie Movement appeals to them because they don't realize that nothing is free and what we will have to give up for what we think we want.
If we ignore the evil Feberal Governments they will go away.
Although not until enough abuse has been done to public first and then a revolution has been Then we the people can reset each our harmless destiny.
I hear the young people too, it is always the conservatives that believe that everybody is looking for a free lunch. I criticize the old for endless clinging to ideas and concepts that consistently fail to work.
I am not so young and I see what the young see, a corporate and political system corrupt to the core that produced a Donald Trump as a credible candidate and Ms. Clinton as part of party machine from the Democrats.
A society that is too stingy to invest in its people but can spend billions on aircraft that does not fly.
So, it is a matter perpective, what is it that you value that is going to promote a successful American ecomony and social cohesion among us?
My problem is with the impracticality and improbability of free education. There is no way to provide free college education. The student may not pay for it but it will have to be paid for. Salaries for educators and administrative staff alone must be paid. Care and maintenance of the facility. If students don't pay, then there is a huge tax bill.
I remember when California Proposition 13 was passed. Prior to that people had been losing their homes because of ridiculously high property tax bills. The Proposition capped property tax increases to 2%. I don't know about post secondary but public school class sizes grew, arts programs were eliminated completely, educators got out of teaching for higher salaries, and many dominoes fell.
I'd like to see Bernie's plan to pay for free college.
Dianne, the idea of a totally free college education may be fantasy. But working to reduce the cost of college for eligible students could be going in the right direction. If I can subsidize the 'big shot', I can help those that whose success is going to determine the viability of our economy into the future.
I was living in California when Prop 13 was passed (1978)? It was an anti-tax revolution at the time. California is expensive and that is the reason that I no longer live there.
I would like to see the plan, but making the financial/Wall Street money changers pay more toward that goal is no problem for me.
There definitely needs to be ongoing analysis to determine more economic and efficient ways of doing things. I have done systems evaluations and been told I did a great job; however, nothing changed!
Dianne, following the theme we have been discussing regarding Bernie's extensive support among the young, here is something that might explain some of it.
http://www.salon.com/2016/06/24/they_ar … upporters/
There is many countries with free education. America has 10 times the military budget over the education budget. Just take 50% of the military budget and give it to health and education budget and you will the best system in the world.
Then America will not need to destory many other countries Heath and education lifestyles
I think the military situation is pretty complicated. It seems there is at least 3 groups of murderers who are trying to get to the US to kill us all.
Our history goes back to smaller countries who were not able to defend themselves requesting assistance from the US. It people were happy in Syria and had a good leader, the mass murder of its citizens wouldn't take place. When it does, people become refugees and try to get out. These people have family and friends all over the world. What can they do to help?
I'm not saying war is the answer. I'm asking, "What is the answer?"
Except American, most people survey in the world are calling US the leading terrorists nation in the world. Is that what America calls Police ing ?
The Pentagon is guilty of appalling waste and abuse. I worked for DoD as a contracting professional years ago and the concessions we made for the defense contractors were horrendous. This all from tax payers money. I would rather help the young contribute to the continuence of a successful American economy than pay for this.
Marvin Gaye is right, 'War is not the Answer", but there are many that promote the idea that a prosperous American economy is impossible without some bogey man, somewhere.
Tyranny is part of man's makeup just as sure as the sun rises from the east and sets to the west. I can't afford the globo-cop scene, while other countries coast under our 'military umbrella' at my expense. Thereby diverting their resources to their people.
Don't forget about the homegrown domestic type murderers, like McVeigh, Roof, or the PP attacker in Colorado last year.
Assad is no one to play with, he is a tyrant just like his mentor, Putin. The world remains in a quandary and there is not enough military might anywhere to squelch it.
The UN still has to be the best hope, as it can operate more objectively, and not be accused of pursuing a national interest as the expense of others. The globe will collectively have to take responsibility for these issues, I can't afford to anymore.
Now that I know how to tweet folks, I'm dangerous.
I'm confused about what the UN is doing at this point. (seriously) Are they doing anything? For some reason I thought they look to the US as the lead - maybe I'm wrong.
I take a class on redesigning communities. We evaluate each others projects. One guy is trying to redesign a slum area that is filled with residents and more and more immigrants are coming from Syria and Afghanistan. There's no food, no sanitation, illiteracy, etc. It broke my heart to see the meager things he is hoping to accomplish. I thought most of the Middle Eastern refugees were highly educated.
I worked for a government contractor. We had some major Christmas parties back in the mid-80s. Travel accounts were really good too. Then money starting shifting from the defense industry and party was over. I understand what you are saying.
What can we do to help these poor people? What can we do about the whack jobs that want to kill us? I'm going off subject a bit but I hope it is ok.
The first part of a solution is being aware that there is a problem. That, in itself, is cleverly masked from the masses.
There is credibility when the UN acts, even when America takes the lead at times. That Desert Storm operation in 1990 was an example of how the world can get together to halt the designs of a tyrant, Saddam Hussein.
You're preaching to the choir, Castlepaloma.
That is exactly what I think as well...
I am an educator and I see where a lot of money is being wasted k-12 with levels of administration and professional development based on what one person or district does when they want everyone to replicate it. They spend money to teach it to you. The next year, here is the latest thing that was successful.
My students loved Freedom Writers. Did it have any impact on them? No! But they loved to watch the movie and go to the line.
I see a lot of inner city kids that are in a cycle of poverty and illiteracy. I tell them they shouldn't have kids until they are able to take care of them properly k-12 and I'm politically incorrect. Most inner city kids are not prepared to go to college. The biggest problem - POOR PARENTING!
Dianne, I will never support waste, fraud or abuse regardless of the ideological direction from where it may come.
Bureaucracy and administrative overhead cannot be a substitute/excuse for results that are expected from professional anybodys at the end of the day.
My heart breaks when I see the continual anti-intellectual attitude taken by so much of the youth. I remember it as part of my K-12 experience. Our kids were always in trouble or in detention, the emphasis was on sports and delinquency. Heaven knows, that there are so many tools available that could not have been imagined 50 years ago for those that want to succeed. But, the challenges are greater, too. You're not going to receive a living wage, today, with benefits on jobs of just putting one widget on top of another. It is a new world out there and were getting behind, fast.
I am with you, it is the parents that are at the crux of the problem. Is it apathy, lack of resources?
Black folks have always had hard times, but there was always the talented tenth that blazed the trail opening up what was always at one time closed. We have given up, and now participate in a gradual genocide within our inner city communities
I realized about 5 years ago that I am part of the problem. My neighborhood is a ghost town. We got educated and left our parents who continued to age. We had no keys to our home. Drugs proliferated in the early 80s and people I thought would have had better since became drug addicts. I have two younger sisters who were caught up into drugs. I have no children but am the one others come to for assistance. My sister seems to be lost but, praise God, her kids hate drugs and her behavior. Now her grandkids even see it.
If I had stayed home, maybe my family and my neighborhood might have been better. I have many friends who did what I did.
Welfare recipients should be drug tested and made to work at least part time. One job could be childcare provider for 4-6 other mothers.
There's no money for field trips. Though students are poor 90+% have cellphones and I can't teach choir because of them texting, Facebooking and tweeting. They communicate with other people in class. Administrators say we should incorporate use of cellphones in class. I worked in Friday karaoke. No, they want to do it every day.
The system is frustrating.
Even most Americans are sick of war, but it's no longer a true democracy.
"...Sophomoric university system driven , Ideological party persuasion voting "
You just said "it is cowardly not to vote ones ideological party..."
Which is it?
I like Bernie Sanders. But even if the obvious voter fraud perpetrated by the Clinton campaign disqualified Hillary and allowed Bernie to challenge and beat Donald Trump, (which I am certain he would) Bernie is only one man against an enormous machine. In order to fix this we not only need to do away with political parties, we need to abolish government. Law and Order are not synonymous with government. On the contrary, government is synonymous with war and oppression. I challenge anyone who disagrees to name one major war that has not been prosecuted by a world government.
Of course, in order to abolish government it would require a real revolution, which is defined as a violent overthrow of a government or system. Philosophy, morality, and peaceful protests aren't going to make a significant difference in the status quo. The ruling elite aren't going to give up power and control without a very ugly, and very bloody fight.
The American people will have to decide if they are willing to fight and die for their freedom, or to continue to submit to the tyranny of an oligarchy masquerading as a democratic republic. But even a democracy is defined as a dictatorship of the majority. And so, a republic tainted by a democracy, as in "democratic republic", is also unacceptable. Unless these parties, and this corrupt government are abolished, the American people, as well as the entire world will never be free.
Bernie? Freedom? Those two are incompatible - the only "freedom" Bernie offered was to forcibly take whatever he could from the people. He even says so!
Which country has the best government?
None of the above. Of course, the best government is no government. At least not as we currently define government. What I mean is, the best government is a people who truly govern themselves, minus a privileged class of politicians whose primary purpose is to create the illusion of a democratic republic, when in reality the popular vote is nothing more than a placebo for the proletariat. The best government is a united people with solidarity of purpose who abide by the just laws they have agreed upon themselves. Unlike the laws levied by this government that are used to extort money from the citizen in the form of taxes and fines, under threat of imprisonment. In a free society imprisonment is only reserved for real criminals: thieves, murderers, etc..
The laws concerning DUI are the most recent examples of how the government has perverted the law for profit. Anyone who does just a little research will understand that the majority of fatal Motor Vehicle Collisions involve drivers who are stone cold sober! It is simply a fact. But the government, and all those riding the gravy train (judges,lawyers,breathalyzer companies, etc.) have created an entire industry around DUI. Groups like MADD have demonized drunk drivers and created the grand illusion that the people who cause the least amount of traffic fatalities are the bogeyman! The government has gotten so greedy that people don't even have to be drunk anymore. Now a person can qualify as DUI by having a certain blood alcohol level without being a danger to anyone. It has been estimated that drunk drivers cause 10% of all traffic fatalities. https://www.motorists.org/issues/dui/myths/
Just one example of government corruption and extortion in a materialistic capitalist system. And it won't get any better through legislation because the legislators are also on the gravy train! This only further illustrates the unfortunate predicament the American people are in today.
Personal responsibility? It would really be interesting to watch that work. When I loved one dies, regardless of whether the driver was right or wrong, wants just and sometimes metes out justice. The common sense solution starts to hit snags because not all will be happy with the resolutions.
The problem with FREE anything from government , without major tax increases or huge spending cuts , ie. military , defense , space exploration ,S.S retirement packages , IS THAT it would require major abuses to our constitutional rights . Again , l High taxes - I will never understand how we blame the party of economic -responsible - conservativism for wanting LESS government ?
To suggest no government for any people would be best for all is shallow , un-intelligible , and speaks to only the shallow shock value of insanity . Imagine a populace with no stoplights, no justice system no economic system. The dark ages would love you Wrenchbisket . Clans of half dressed , zombie cave dwellers . What kind of sophomoric intelligence takes all we have evolved to today and reverses it to a fig leaf dress and a hardwood club ?
Even todays human intelligence would reduce itself to the level of cannibalism without government. We can't all run around like natives on the prairie again raping , raiding , pillaging ,taking another tribes children and wives to repopulate our own . Sometimes I wonder just how long intellectual thought would even last with the directing of political correctness , popular cult opinion and someone standing over you with a bull whip.
Didn't know you can pile political BS that high.
I give US politician top PHD in PILING it HIGHER & DEEPER.
You speak of the dark ages when I am the future. Mind control as practiced here in the U.S. is a subtle and insidious form of oppression that inhibits, or even destroys an individuals capacity for critical thinking, while cultivating blind obedience to authority. We can understand that this is not unlike the results of an abusive marital relationship. It is not uncommon for a woman who has been abused in a relationship for many years to defend the abuse and suggest that it is her fault when she gets beaten by her husband; that she should have had dinner prepared on time, she should not have talked to that stranger, or she should not have worn that particular dress. We can understand that such women are experiencing a form of "Stockholm Syndrome", and we can also understand that a majority of Americans who subscribe to, and defend an oppressive government, are also suffering from the same condition, which is the result of over 2 centuries of abuse and control.
Your rant about cannibalism and no stop lights is quite humorous. Have you ever though about becoming a writer of fiction? The irony here is that the world becomes more civilized without government, not less. You are suggesting that without overlords to draw imaginary borders and divide the land into real estate, wage imperialist wars throughout the world, and extort money from the citizen in the form of taxes, that the modern world would fall apart and revert back to the stone age. If you can ever find the time I suggest that you educate yourself. Suggested reading: Henry David Thoreau, Emma Goldman,Errico Malatesta, Peter Alexeyevich Kropotkin, Karl Marx, W.E.B Dubois. If you get through all of that then you might understand how the American people have been suckered, exploited, murdered, used as pawns to commit genocide, and generally abused by a ruling elite for nearly 250 years. Mankind will either evolve,remain enslaved by world governments, or perish. I am a proponent of evolution.
In the meantime, I have refrained from insulting you because of your IQ and lack of education. I suggest you refrain from insulting me for being intelligent. Since you are such a champion of the "Pilgrims Progress" here in the New World, perhaps you wouldn't mind going to Flint Michigan and having a drink of water, or going to Cincinnati and swimming in the Ohio River, or encouraging your wife, daughter, sister, or mother to go walking alone after midnight in any city or rural area. After all, in such a progressive, modern,and civilized society that is being controlled and monitored by a benevolent government, the water is surely safe for drinking and for recreation. And why should any woman fear sexual assault in such a civilized country?
Wrench , every problem that you describe above is caused by nanny state liberal legislation !
The only thing you missed was how the apathy of the same leftist mentality caused the inner city meltdowns ! Why don't you google that up . The top twenty or so most violent cities in America and see who runs them and has , some of them for a century ! One day your higher intelligence will open your closed mind.
Regardless, we are still talking about the same thing, and that is the corruption of government. The people of the United States do not represent themselves. They are represented by so-called representatives: senators, governors, and representatives who are apart and disconnected from those they were elected to serve. Many Americans find it convenient to simply elect someone else to mind the store. But now we see how the people of Flint Michigan are paying a high price for such a grand convenience. I guarantee that if the governor and his family lived in Flint that this tragedy would have never occurred. Even a dog will not soil it's own bed.
It doesn't matter if we are talking liberal,conservative, Democrat,Republican,or Whig. No matter how you dress it up, evil always looks and smells the same, and it always delivers the same results: innocent people being dispossessed, marginalized, hurt and killed, while the rich continue to prosper. Government is inherently evil. It is no wonder that a career in government attracts criminals like Rick Snyder. Here is an excerpt from a letter Michael Moore sent to Snyder:
FROM: Michael Moore
TO: Michigan Governor Rick Snyder
Dear Governor Snyder:
Thanks to you, sir, and the premeditated actions of your administrators, you have effectively poisoned, not just some, but apparently ALL of the children in my hometown of Flint, Michigan.And for that, you have to go to jail. To poison all the children in an historic American city is no small feat. Even international terrorist organizations haven’t figured out yet how to do something on a magnitude like this.
But you did. Your staff and others knew that the water in the Flint River was poison — but you decided that taking over the city and “cutting costs” to “balance the budget” was more important than the people’s health (not to mention their democratic rights to elect their own leaders). So you cut off the clean, fresh glacial lake water of Lake Huron that the citizens of Flint (including myself) had been drinking for decades and, instead, made them drink water from the industrial cesspool we call the Flint River — a body of “water” where toxins from a dozen General Motors and DuPont factories have been dumped for over a hundred years. And then you decided to put a chemical in this water to “clean” it — which only ended up stripping the lead off of Flint’s aging water pipes, placing that lead in the water and sending it straight into people’s taps.
Your callous — and reckless (btw, “reckless” doesn’t get you a pass; a reckless driver who kills a child, still goes to jail) — decision to do this has now, as revealed by the city’s top medical facility, caused “irreversible brain damage” in Flint’s children, not to mention other bodily damage to all of Flint’s adults. Here’s how bad it is: Even GM won’t let the auto parts they use in building cars touch the Flint water because that water “corrodes” them . This is a company that won’t even fix an ignition switch after they’ve discovered it’s already killed dozens of people. THAT’s how bad the situation is. Even GM thinks you’re the devil ...
"Many Americans find it convenient to simply elect someone else to mind the store."
This best describes the trouble here in Akron (OH). for 30 years the EPA and many city engineers have told the city government the sewage needed an overhaul. Instead the people of the city just kept electing the same Mayor year after year. Now the bill that the bill is due the long time mayor quit and the bill is being foisted on everyone in the county. Every city, town and village connected to the system is having their bill tripled because Akron couldn't take care of their own house. A million dollar problem became a billion dollar problem because of voter apathy.
By the way Wrench biscuit, My I.Q as compared to even some higher ones , understands a stagnant culture of Native American people who once given their own sovereign countries even WITHIN American borders seems to have done so little for themselves even with the nurturing of a federal government agency and their own agency hierarchy to be self governed !
For one thing with some of the most precious natural resources at the immediate control of the that same Native American hierarchies fingertips , Why then are your people starving , dying of drug and alcohol poisonings , ignoring the opportunities of special affirmative actions in higher education , and generally living in squalor ? Or , Is it the fault of very rich gaming casinos under the corruption and control of your tribal leaders ?
Maybe with every self governing tribe of native Americans inside America having as much and more freedoms from local ,state or federal taxes and controls than the Average American Tax Payer or that of any other nation , for that matter , one of lower I.Q. is to wonder just what opportunities were missed out on by your people ? Maybe, in our next life , Columbus can explain the wasted opportunities of Native Americans . After all he never set foot on mainland America ! I admit ,am of a lower I.Q , but what I am not though is supporter of professional victim ology and a squanderer of much opportunity .
Jesus Wrench , you had me there for a minute........... but then you brought up Michael Moore ? You know , the guy going through a divorce that's got to figure out how to divide an uneven number of houses between him and his ex ..................9 houses !
One day you will learn to argue with me against hypocrisy..........and not by using it !
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