Sen. Scott, Black GOP congressmen speaks of race and policing

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   Credence2posted 8 years ago

   I thought that this article, attached, was most revealing. It might just show that this problem is not just a figment of left's imagination. A politically conservative Black man from a politically Conservative state, South Carolina, explains the points that I have trying to make for some time.
   
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   https://www.yahoo.com/news/capitol-hill … itics.html

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      IslandBitesposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      "recognize that just because you do not feel the pain, the anguish of another ... does not mean it does not exist."
      
      Great words!

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      colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      I don't believe anyone thinks its imaginary, but people are waking up! The way to fight it is through awareness, ditching the victim consciousness, and becoming aware of the four universal laws.  The law of attraction, the law of conscious manifestation, the law of allowance, and the law of balance and harmony ... and having the courage and the wisdom to be objective in these difficult times to know what to do. 
      
      'Many hands make light work'.  If each of us will talk to at least one person this week ...  the critical mass of consciousness is what is important here.  Truth and righteousness is on our side, goodness is on our side if we keep an open heart and we don't hate what we might call our enemies, or opponents, and stand up for our rights as sovereign beings and come together in groups to talk about this. 
      
      We can create little communities of thought that transcends and breaks this matrix.  Because united we stand, divided we fall.
      
      All this stuff about the shooting of blacks and whites, its all a way to get us separated and apart.  Clearly, most of these people who do the shootings are Manchurian candidates, and we should not bite the bait they are putting in front of us. 
      
      What we need to do is what is good, what is right, creating community and becoming aware. This is a life and death situation, and just as the Son's of Liberty, they would meet together and talk about the concepts of a free country (they were risking their lives).  They were envisioning, and building the connections it kept manifesting by them taking the action necessary (not just thinking about it in some deception) in this dimension ... and that's what builds our freedoms (and breaks the shackles).  That's science! 
      
      I would recommend reading the book "Love Life and Joy".

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   rhamsonposted 8 years ago

   What strikes me as peculiar is the advice I hear coming from parents with regards to encounters with police. The complaint is that black parents complain that they have to educate their black sons to show respect and comply with police when being stopped. I should have thought this was a given as that is what my parents taught me when I was young (I am white). Disrespect and ignoring the police can lead to whatever it leads to when it becomes out of control. A white man in Fresno, CA recently was pulled over and after being told to show his hands and walked away was shot and killed. He was found to be unarmed. How is the policeman to know what was in his hands other than cooperative behavior from the suspect?
   
   http://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/ … nd-is-shot

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      Credence2posted 8 years agoin reply to this

      yes, there is a certain defiance and bravado among Black boys. I am well aware of the peer pressure associated with this as I have 'been there'.
      
      You, as blacks, are being educated with the knowledge that what may be considered an innocuous action by white kid in Mayberry, might just well get you killed. Racism cannot be ignored as part of the big picture. The disparities, unexplained, in documented encounters with police along with sentencing under the criminal justice system attests to that. It is the difference In the amount of slack (discretion)  available and how it is used that can mean the difference in coming out alive after a police encounter or ending up dead, it is that difference that I am concerned about. And it seems to be a chasm.
      
      The case is made by Senator Scott, if the persistence of racism is evident reducing his treatment from that customarily afforded a United States Senator to that of a common street thug. I would be angry as well, why shouldn't I be? If this subconscious racism can operate at this level , what do you think that the average black man on the street can expect?
      
      bTW, I saw the video of Fresno incident. This has a higher level of justification for the use of lethal force than a cursory execution of a boy with a toy gun or the recent case of the Black man gunned down by police during a routine traffic stop in the Twin Cities.
      
      It would be great if someone could invent a non lethal weapon for police, phaser on stun?

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         rhamsonposted 8 years agoin reply to this

         I totally get your points that there is a difference in the way some encounters with police are between black and white suspects. My point is that a little consideration and respect goes a long way. A police officer who detains somebody puts his life in peril the minute he steps up to the suspect. Any untoward action on the suspects part puts them both on downward trend. I have been pulled over by police and even as a suspect in a bank robbery (my car matched a description of the get away car), but with some common sense and respect I was able to go my separate way. Whether it is an indicator of valid percentages or not there seems to be a profile that tends to favor one race over the other as to a persons suspicion by the numbers of either race being involved in a crime. Maybe that is an unfair assessment towards the black population but it is a reality in many's mind. When it comes to safety related confrontations between the police is it fair for the policeman to risk more (statistically speaking) because a suspect is being uncooperative?

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            Credence2posted 8 years agoin reply to this

            I follow you. Of course respect and consideration is the key. The man in St. Paul was considerate with the officer on the traffic  stop, what happened?
            
            The BLM movement is about the issue that in similar circumstances in a confrontation, blacks are treated more harshly without justification, this goes beyond courtesy and cooperation.
            
            The shooting incidents that have made the news as inappropriate use of lethal force did not just happen because victims were discourteous and disrespectful. There is no basis to the idea that among adult suspects, Blacks are less cooperative than whites as a major part of the problem
            
            If we are going to have peace among us,  we are going to have to alter the common Anglo perception of reality. This is going to have to change as too many still think this is all a lot of hub-bubble over nothing.

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               colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

               "If we are going to have peace among us,  we are going to have to alter the common Anglo perception of reality." 
               
               So in Little Rock yesterday 3 black males tried to rob a girl from the Sonic carhop. She refused and resisted them and they shot her 6 times. She is in stable condition and expected to survive. Y'all be careful out there. We aren't even safe at work.
               *  https://www.facebook.com/KARK4/videos/1 … 571319113/

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                  Credence2posted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  I don't have to look too hard to find such crimes that are committed by whites, but of course you all have halos over your heads so the search would be fruitless?

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                     colorfuloneposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                     I gave you the scientific solution in my first post but you dismissed that.  Never the less, here I am with my 'halo' on wanting to help because I care.
                     
                     Tomorrow is National Day of Rage and the cities with scheduled protests are not safe places to be starting about 7 p.m.  There are 100's of thousands of protesters being bused in, its an organized leftist effort that will most likely have negative consequences for us all.

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         wildernessposted 8 years agoin reply to this

         They have (non lethal weapons).  Hands, batons, tasers, bean bag guns come to mind.  But none of them are worth much when facing a bullet or even a knife, and none can be guaranteed to drop a violent suspect before they can kill the cop.
         
         We seem to have come to the point where the cop is required to face additional danger to their lives simply to prevent hurting a violent suspect intent on killing someone.

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            Credence2posted 8 years agoin reply to this

            It is too bad, wilderness,  that the technology is not here yet to allow us to retire the firearm in favor of weapons where the level of force can be set and controlled.
            
            BLM is not about asking police to risk their lives unnecessarily. It is about equal application of the law for all. When discretion is to be applied, race is not to be a factor. That is not too much to ask, is it?

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               wildernessposted 8 years agoin reply to this

               I'm sorry, but BLM is about giving blacks a "bye" on their behavior, nothing more.  Automatic "discretion", as you put it, for blacks...because the majority of killers are black and the cops know it. 
               
               That the root of the problem is not skin coloration but poverty and parentless homes does not change that blacks are far more dangerous to cops than random individuals of other races are.
               
               "There is no basis to the idea that among adult suspects, Blacks are less cooperative than whites as a major part of the problem" (your post)
               
               This statement is true ONLY if you limit the sample to those of equivalent background.  If you choose only inner city blacks and whites from only affluent neighborhoods then the statement is patently false.  As blacks make up a disproportionate percentage of poverty stricken neighborhoods, and whites a disproportionate percentage of middle class and up neighborhoods, it should be obvious cops, having more interactions in areas with more crime - those with a higher percentage of blacks - are going to find a disproportionate percentage of blacks that are "uncooperative".  It has gone on for decades now, and as a result of that blacks are often fearful and/or hateful towards cops; either attitude exacerbates the problem.  But pretending that a random black man interacting with a cop in their neighborhood is just as cooperative and reasonable as an random white man interacting with a cop in their neighborhood is silly (please pay attention to the "random" and consider the economic/social aspects of each).  It creates such things as BLM (with its promotion of violence) while helping solve nothing at all.

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                  Credence2posted 8 years agoin reply to this

                  I'm sorry, but BLM is about giving blacks a "bye" on their behavior, nothing more.  Automatic "discretion", as you put it, for blacks...because the majority of killers are black and the cops know it. 
                  
                  So, old wise one, the Constitution and Bill of Rights are mere scraps of toilet paper when it comes to the rights of black people?
                  
                  So, a United States Senator is treated like thug solely because of his skin color, or did you bother to read the article? How do you explain that disparity, unless you think the man is making this all up as the role of bias and bigotry, which is also as AMERICAN as apple pie is conveniently ignored.  How do you explain that?
                  
                  I and others like me are more than happy to have dockets overflowing because of profiling related police harrassment, law suits will abound. Such was the fate of 'stop and frisk. You can bet on that. You need to stay in Idaho.
                  
                  
                  
                  Justice is not based on random individuals or statistics but on individual expectations of rights. But is was big of you to acknowledge social-economics rather then some direct racial construct as the culprit. I really wasn't expecting that.
                  
                  
                  
                  Granted social-economic circumstance always plays a role as an accelerator in crime. But, it is not the sole reason or the good senator could not relay the account that he did. And how much more of an 'uncooperative' and disrespectful stance do cops take upon the residents of the inner city? It works both ways.

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                     wildernessposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                     Yes, I read the article.  And if true is reprehensible even though the Senator did admit to a lot of convictions.
                     
                     But I know all about that - my (white) son was driven out of town by the same behavior.  Ticketed on his first day with a license for parking too far from the curb.  Ticketed the second day for parking on the rolling curbs we have here.  Ticketed for speeding, and then the police report mysteriously changed between writing it and trial to indicate cars driven off the road from his poor driving (didn't happen, and I know as I was there).  Ticketed for speeding the morning after a new speed limit sign was put up, instead of the normal warning.  Handcuffed in a squad car for over an hour (quite illegally) without being charged, while we waited for a "drug specialist" to arrive and interrogate him...only to have the "specialist" tell me he didn't know much about drug users.  Ticketed for driving without a license...after it was revoked that morning and they were unable to notify because of a wrong address in their files (dropped after Mom indicated a willingness to testify that she had changed it 4 times because they couldn't get it right).  And every ticket accompanied with an illegal search and seizure (so our court appointed attorney said, when we met with him for the first time a year after the ticket and months after the last date to suppress evidence) and charged with possession of tobacco with community service assigned.  Literally driven out of town and into the Army (nowhere else to go at 18) but it turned out well as he used his GI bill on getting out and is doing extremely well for a young man. 
                     
                     So don't tell me about police abuse - I know first hand and I know it isn't limited to blacks.
                     
                     But none of that is what BLM is about - they are about police killing any black man irregardless of circumstances.  Because only skin color matters to them - that and getting police out of black neighborhoods.  A most stupid goal as it is only the police that makes inner city neighborhoods livable at all.
                     
                     Of course I recognize the cultural and socio-economic problems of blacks.  Unlike some, while I do recognize some physical differences between the races, find them inconsequential.  I also find that there is quite a cultural difference between "black culture" and that of other races - something that you and the BLM wish to pretend isn't there.  On the average, the young black man is violence and crime driven to a far greater extent than other races (almost certainly due to family life and economic status).  Blacks, represented disproportionally in the inner cities (nice term for slums), have developed a "gimmee" and "entitlement" philosophy to a larger degree than other races.  And now the BLM wishes to extend this "entitlement" philosophy to include an excuse for the violence and poor behavior with police.
                     
                     No, justice is not based on "individual expectations of rights".  While various black groups have tried to put that into place, from Black Power to the BLM, it is the expectations of the society as a whole that governs.  That and, in our society, the constitution - which does not mention any special rights for blacks.  Only rights for every citizen.  It is quite true that other groups, notably the gays, have demanded equal rights and are getting them.  But the BLM, I say again, isn't wanting equal rights - they are wanting more rights based on nothing more than skin color.  Something our constitution denies.

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                        Credence2posted 8 years agoin reply to this

                        All people economically disadvantaged have a gimme attitude, the largest abusers of medicaid are found in West Virginia and Eastern Kentucky, not many blacks there. So, you can put your Tee-Vee based biases aside, for a moment.
                        
                        Sorry about the impositions on your kid, I hope that he continues to do well.
                        
                        I say that a still racially biased AMERICA explains to a great extent the disparity in treatment between Black and White suspects by the police. I stand firm on this opinion regardless of that of those who live on Mars. The movement will continue with peaceful protests and having my blessing.
                        
                        I bet you resent the cell phone cameras and the requirement that all cops must video record encounters with citizens in the line of duty? It is true to standard right wing,  are you not connected?
                        
                        What is it about conservatives always complaining about Blacks wanting special rights? Their desire not to be forced to the back of the bus was a 'special right'?
                        
                        Being free of abusive police tactics is a right belonging to everybody. The slaughter of unarmed civilians and children regardless of color will not be tolerated. And as the Black community may well be subject to this abuse disproportionately, those individuals and municipal police departments WILL be held accountable. That point WILL be made as it focuses attention on this matter to the benefit of all.

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                           wildernessposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                           Pretty much as expected: blacks are killed disproportionally to their behavior (false) and are not asking for special privileges (false, as BLM exhibits just such privileges).
                           
                           You will keep your opinion, rejecting any information or data that suggests otherwise.  You will continue to deny that blacks want privileges other races don't get, while asking for just privileges.  You will continue to reject any police action that harms anyone with high levels of melanin in their skin, regardless of provocation or circumstances.
                           
                           You will throw red herrings such as Kentucky into the mix, in an effort to "prove" that blacks do not commit more violent crimes and have a poor attitude towards police.  Plus a few about people that ignore such things live on Mars.
                           
                           You will even apply silly attitudes to those that agree with you, based solely on their desire to be fair.  Like resentment about video recordings by cops.
                           
                           And I will continue to look at facts and try to figure out the why while you default to a racist position that all whites are racist.  It is a difference between us.  I like your you, Credence, and appreciate your posts (even though we usually differ)...on all topics but racism.  For I think your posts are inevitably racist themselves and I find the attitude not only deplorable but quite damaging to any efforts to stamp out what remains of that disgusting attitude in our country.

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                              Credence2posted 8 years agoin reply to this

                              Funny, as for your last paragraph, I have the identical attitude about you.

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                                 wildernessposted 8 years agoin reply to this

                                 So be it.  We shall talk again on another topic (I hope).

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                                    Credence2posted 8 years agoin reply to this

                                    Fair enough, until next time.......

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