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Do you think that "Black Lives Matter" is designed to bring us closer or to fur

  1. pstraubie48 profile image85
    pstraubie48posted 23 months ago

    Do you think that "Black Lives Matter" is  designed to bring us closer or to further divide us?

    I am hopeful that we can find a way to live together on this planet respecting each other and valuing each other.

    https://usercontent2.hubstatic.com/12775047_f260.jpg

  2. tamarawilhite profile image91
    tamarawilhiteposted 23 months ago

    Divide.
    Black lives only matter to BLM if taken by cops - the tens of thousands of blacks murdered by blacks don't matter to them.

    Cop violence doesn't matter to them, which is why there are more whites killed by cops than blacks but there is less outrage about whites being killed.

    There are BLM members calling for segregation for the comfort of whites. That there should only be black police in black neighborhoods, white "allies" segregated from blacks at events and silent unless spoken to, that black kids should have black teachers - in short, a reversion to 1950s standards except whites are the ones excluded. Reversing the social pyramid of the 1950s to punish the innocent several generations later is not fair, and guilt tripping and demonizing those who say we want equality and this isn't that is immoral.

    The Dallas cop shooter was not a lone wolf, he'd sat in meetings where they called for blacks to kill both cops and whites.

    Black Activists Call for Lynching and Hanging of White People and Cops
    http://www.breitbart.com/texas/2015/08/ … -and-cops/


    Black Lives Matter Leader Calls for Running Over, Shooting Police
    http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/07 … ng-police/

    Cops are actually less likely to kill blacks when threatened than whites due to political concerns.

    Roland G. Fryer Jr. is a black economics professor at Harvard. Distressed by what he was seeing in the treatment of black men, Fryer commissioned a study on how the role race play in the use of lethal force by police.
    The study found no indication of racial bias associated with incidents in which cops fired their guns.
    The study concluded that police officers who had not been attacked were more  likely to shoot white suspects.
    Source: http://tribunist.com/news/harvard-study … onclusion/

    1. RTalloni profile image88
      RTalloniposted 23 months agoin reply to this

      It important to keep this input in mind when involved in a discussion on the topic.

    2. profile image0
      LoliHeyposted 23 months agoin reply to this

      It's really sad and frustrating to see people buy into their crap, and Obama's racist crap as well.

    3. Jackie Lynnley profile image90
      Jackie Lynnleyposted 23 months agoin reply to this

      This is all about bringing in martial law and blacks are falling right into the president's plan. I wish some eyes would open. We are going to be controlled very soon letting the government stir up trouble to gain control.  Hillary will follow Obama.

    4. Ericdierker profile image53
      Ericdierkerposted 23 months agoin reply to this

      One time I saw a T-Shirt with Black Lives Matter on it. I live in a very mixed neighborhood with many many African Americans -- they just don't seem to be present here. Are they just a very small minority with violence and shouting?

    5. Charlie LeSueur profile image79
      Charlie LeSueurposted 23 months agoin reply to this

      Jackie Lynnley, your comment about martial law struck home with me. I've been saying the very same thing for 3 years now. If we look back at history, Mussolini & Hitler did the same things this administration is doing now. Welcome to the 3rd Worl

    6. Jackie Lynnley profile image90
      Jackie Lynnleyposted 23 months agoin reply to this

      If everyone would look at the big picture they could easily see it. Look how Hillary right now is almost inviting blacks to kill cops. I know her and Obama are getting illegals ID'd to vote by the thousands if not millions, it will be a fixed electio

    7. MizBejabbers profile image93
      MizBejabbersposted 23 months agoin reply to this

      Eric, sometimes my posts get deleted when I add links, but google "blacks in Russia" or "blacks in Europe" and see who is backing this movement.

    8. pstraubie48 profile image85
      pstraubie48posted 22 months agoin reply to this

      This is a very difficult topic..and it would be almost impossible to determine the right and wrong in shootings without cameras to catch every bit of action that occurs.

  3. dashingscorpio profile image88
    dashingscorpioposted 23 months ago

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    Neither.
    It's a movement about {awareness} and seeking equal treatment.
    Essentially it could be called "Black Lives Matter (too)"
    Basically some people are starting to feel that if the (police) kill someone who is black it's a "free pass".
    There are almost no indictments or prosecutions.
    Every race should feel that the police and justice system will treat them equally. Governor Mark Dayton of Minnesota for instance acknowledged that had Philando Castile been a white man with a license to carry a concealed weapon he would still be alive.
    Some folks believe if George Zimmerman had been a black man who killed a 17 year old white Travon Martin he would have gone to jail.
    Whenever any group feels they're not receiving "equal rights" in America historically they have marched and protested. Wanting equality in the justice system (doesn't mean no other lives matter).
    When women marched for the right to vote during the suffrage movement they weren't trying to take away the vote from men.
    Eventually the 19th amendment was ratified in 1920.
    Some people simply have such a difficult time with the name BLM that they don't allow themselves to believe there is racism and inequality of treatment of citizens within our justice system.
    We can't fix what we won't acknowledge.
    Changes in America have never come easy.

    1. bradmasterOCcal profile image32
      bradmasterOCcalposted 23 months agoin reply to this

      BLM is a social issue that government cannot fix, as with any other social issue.
      Acknowledge it all you want, it can't be fixed. If a 2 term black president didn't help what would help? nothing.
      The black stereotype is a composite from real life.

    2. The Dirt Farmer profile image95
      The Dirt Farmerposted 23 months agoin reply to this

      I agree with you, dashingscorpio. BLM is all about creating awareness of the issue of institutionalized inequity and maltreatment of African Americans in the US under the law, which of course can be ameliorated if enough people demand justice.

    3. grand old lady profile image84
      grand old ladyposted 23 months agoin reply to this

      I think you stated this rather well. It must be acknowledged or it will never be fixed. Sometimes I think the injustices against black people in America are a reaction to the fact that some Americans dislike the fact that they had a black president.

    4. pstraubie48 profile image85
      pstraubie48posted 22 months agoin reply to this

      Change does come slowly but it can come if we make it our business to reach out to others. It must begin at the grassroots level...in our neighborhoods and communities, I believe. We cannot affect change if everyone is not invested n making it.

  4. RTalloni profile image88
    RTalloniposted 23 months ago

    The answer would depend entirely on you talk to.  Some thoughts to consider as the topic is pondered include the fact that history displays human nature and that only the details change, for instance, the majority of the world no longer participates in infant sacrifice but abortion on demand is lobbied for constantly. One take on that picture is any society that disregards life in the womb will struggle to determine what lives do matter.  It's a struggle that is not isolated but bleeds into every segment of society.

    1. Jackie Lynnley profile image90
      Jackie Lynnleyposted 23 months agoin reply to this

      I heard someone comment on BLM saying if it really did to black community why are they not protesting abortion clinics? I for one do think blacks do not realize how the party they prefer keep down the black race through abortion 4x more than white.

    2. RTalloni profile image88
      RTalloniposted 23 months agoin reply to this

      The fact of the black community being targeted for abortion by early promoters is in the historical record but today a good segment of the population knows that. Only a portion of blacks do not know it today. It's important to never forget that fact.

    3. MizBejabbers profile image93
      MizBejabbersposted 23 months agoin reply to this

      Aw Jeeze, that trite old stuff again. Welfare blacks may have been targeted, but abortions are expensive and medicaid doesn't pay for abortion on demand. I doubt if enough rich or upper middle class black women seek abortion to use that argument.

    4. The Dirt Farmer profile image95
      The Dirt Farmerposted 23 months agoin reply to this

      x

    5. Jackie Lynnley profile image90
      Jackie Lynnleyposted 23 months agoin reply to this

      Abortion is free in many places MizB and I am sure woman wanting one will find them. Here is a little info on that. https://www.guttmacher.org/state-policy … r-medicaid

  5. profile image60
    moderndaywriterposted 23 months ago

    I don't think it was designed to divide us, but that's exactly what it is doing. As I read in Tamara's post, blacks kill blacks at an overwhelming rate. If "black lives matters" was meant to come together and show their lives are equal to others (which they are equal for the record), they wouldn't be slaughtering their own. BLM has morphed into a "black lives vs. blue lives" or "black lives vs. white lives" mentality for the movement, dividing us and making us feel like we have to choose one side or the other.

    1. Kiss andTales profile image80
      Kiss andTalesposted 23 months agoin reply to this

      Simple these people stand side by side in unity a global brother and sister hood.
      They get along in peace. 
      If you got a problem here on earth .
      God the Father will not tolerated in his realm ,the reason satan was thrown down here.
      Serious !

    2. bradmasterOCcal profile image32
      bradmasterOCcalposted 23 months agoin reply to this

      Whatever its intentions, the results are divisive. In LA years ago, the mostly black crowds rioted, pillaged, vandalized, and set cars on fires, because their sports team won. The Blacks like the Muslims need to build up their image with deeds.

    3. pstraubie48 profile image85
      pstraubie48posted 22 months agoin reply to this

      We need to do as Rodney King said....we all need to just get along. Unfortunately there are those of both races who are filled with hate and rage and like to stir the pot..   It is NOT everyone...there are so many good people of all races.

  6. Kiss andTales profile image80
    Kiss andTalesposted 23 months ago

    The answer is still any race matters ! Again people should not get so hung up on skin color. Their countless of people mixed with white and black blood.The genes are not racial why should humans be.
    It is totally sad of any injustice white or black
    But how does the Heavenly Father feel about it all?
    Ps 11:5 Jehovah examines the righteous one as well as the wicked one; He hates anyone who loves violence.

    Pr 6:16 There are six things that Jehovah hates; Yes, seven things that he detests.

    Pr 6:17 Haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood,


    What will be the future for those who practice violence and hatred . Your life will be forgotten as written.

    The King James
    Pr 2:22But the wicked shall be cut off from the earth, and the transgressors shall be rooted out of it.
    Simply they will be gone very soon.

    Ho 2:18 In that day I will make a covenant for them with the wild animals of the field, And with the birds of the heavens and the creeping things of the ground; I will rid the land of the bow and the sword and war, And I will make them lie down in security.

    1. Kiss andTales profile image80
      Kiss andTalesposted 23 months agoin reply to this

      conclusion,  Are we one of these?
      Re 7:9 After this I saw, and look! a great crowd, which no man was able to number, out of all nations and tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, dressed in white robes;

    2. MizBejabbers profile image93
      MizBejabbersposted 23 months agoin reply to this

      K&T, I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but God gave man free will and then stepped back to let us love or kill each other. What we do with that free will is no concern of his, otherwise he or the angels would intervene.

    3. Kiss andTales profile image80
      Kiss andTalesposted 23 months agoin reply to this

      MizJ. Human have free will now to do things and are trusted by law to abide by it.  if you decide to break the laws of man .you will pay one way or another.
      Now God who is much different is mercifull also trusting you to do the right thing.
      The dif

    4. pstraubie48 profile image85
      pstraubie48posted 22 months agoin reply to this

      All lives do matter....and we need to work to that end.

  7. MizBejabbers profile image93
    MizBejabbersposted 23 months ago

    I think the three women, who accidentally started the movement, started it as a plea for unity, but that it took a life of its own and has now become a controversial dividing point. It is a pity that something good has to be taken over by activists, many of whom have no real interest except to cause trouble or profit from the subject. It has now spread globally and has the potential to provoke a race war on any of the continents rather than to promote unity.

    1. Ericdierker profile image53
      Ericdierkerposted 23 months agoin reply to this

      Open Society Foundation and Soros directly support organizations directly tied to and even to BLM. Very interesting. Hillary and Obama seem to be closely allied also. I wonder what that says about the group.

    2. MizBejabbers profile image93
      MizBejabbersposted 23 months agoin reply to this

      That's a point that I don't like. I don't like everything they advocate, but I can't support Trump. In the late 1970s, a businessman proved in our state that you can't run government like a business. It took Bill Clinton to get us out of the hole.

  8. emge profile image74
    emgeposted 23 months ago

    I have written a hub on this subject. Black lives matter is applicable to the world and not just America. Blacks have a better life here than say in Africa where they are dying of hunger and fratricide killings

    1. tamarawilhite profile image91
      tamarawilhiteposted 23 months agoin reply to this

      Arabs took ten times more African slaves than the Americas, and there are no black people in Arab lands - too high a death rate among the slaves.

    2. Kiss andTales profile image80
      Kiss andTalesposted 23 months agoin reply to this

      MizJ. Just because something happens does not mean nothing will be done about it. Our time and calender is not God's time table. 
      What ever he has allowed he is in control to undo it when he is ready not based on humans dictating his power to act

    3. MizBejabbers profile image93
      MizBejabbersposted 23 months agoin reply to this

      KT, God's time table? If you believe in God, you will know that there is no time in heaven. Time is man-made so humans can have a concept of their lives. The "time to live, time to die" is a requirement for earth, not an infinite God.

    4. Kiss andTales profile image80
      Kiss andTalesposted 23 months agoin reply to this

      MixJ. You are correct our Heavenly Father is eternal . But my comment said nothing about heaven. I did say our time table which is on earth , not heaven we humans live here on earth.

    5. pstraubie48 profile image85
      pstraubie48posted 22 months agoin reply to this

      Too often we overlook all of the positives our nation offers...and the transparency that exists too.

  9. LiliMarlene profile image87
    LiliMarleneposted 23 months ago

    Hot topic. Don't know if it's wise to comment as I'm a European and don't get at all why the skin color is such a problem, especially in the USA.
    In Europe the roots of discrimination are more religious - from my point of view. Americans even differ between black, white, latino and mixed - oh and not to forget the native Americans. That's weird, folks. A Spanish woman in Europe is simply a Spanish woman and no latino. Same for all Italians, Portuguese, Greeks etc. Hence, tell me why the life of someone with a dark or darker skin shall be less worth than any other! Tell me just one reason!

    I think to solve this really serious problem of discrimination you have to look for the roots of it and eliminate these roots which were planted in the minds. But who planted it there? You yourself? Your teachers? Your families? Who? Find the roots! The story of your parents, grand-parents etc. is not yours! You have your own life with different chances and challenges.
    We have worldwide discriminations for gender, skin color, believes/religion, origin and probably a million other reasons. I think this all begins in our way of thinking. Just as it's taught in "The Secret". If more people begin to think different the rest will follow. So, please friends, do something to make the world a friendlier place and know that there is enough of everything for all of us! I totally love America and wish you would find a way to turn things into the other direction. All the best for you all!

    1. pstraubie48 profile image85
      pstraubie48posted 22 months agoin reply to this

      Of course your opinion is important. This is not just an issue in our country. Some countries are more open it would seem but it still exists (I lived on foreign soil for 4 years and felt what it feels like.)

  10. profile image79
    Hxprofposted 23 months ago

    The function of BLM is to divide.  It's a movement full of rage, full of hatred; Martin Luther KIng would be ashamed of what they're doing.

    1. Jackie Lynnley profile image90
      Jackie Lynnleyposted 23 months agoin reply to this

      I agree and I have heard many blacks say the same. These BLM are not of any benefit to the black community just being used by the government to bring in a one world government. They will see once it is too late.

  11. Readmikenow profile image96
    Readmikenowposted 23 months ago

    Black Lives Matter is built on a false illusion that blacks are targeted by police more than any other race.  The reality is that more whites and other race groups are killed by the police in greater numbers. 

    http://www.dailywire.com/news/7264/5-st … on-bandler

    You have to ask yourself

    1. Why are the shootings of black men by police played over and over and over again by the main stream media?  More whites and members of other races  are killed by police and yet their deaths don't get such media attention.  Why?

    2. Why doesn't the main stream media cover how Black Lives Matter is funded by groups outside the US? George Soros contributes quite a bit to the organization.

    http://www.westernjournalism.com/expose … o-do-next/

    3. I know someone who works at a hotel in Ferguson.  Black Lives Matter protesters arrive in nice clothes to nice hotels paid by a third party.  They change into their "protesting duds" before protesting. They eat well at nice hotel restaurants and even order quite a bit of room service.  Would they be so eager to protest if they weren't treated so well?   What does this say?

    4.  Hands up don't shoot didn't happen.  That's per Eric Holder's Department of Justice.  Yet, you see it every protest. 

    Think about what all this says about this organization and its obvious hidden agenda.

    1. pstraubie48 profile image85
      pstraubie48posted 22 months agoin reply to this

      I think that sometimes movements such as this one are formed by well-intentioned individuals and then those who have ulterior motives jump on board and turn it into something it was not intended to be. Thank you for commenting.

  12. Johnny James A profile image74
    Johnny James Aposted 23 months ago

    The "design" was to address one specific issue of police brutality and hope to get a dialogue on the issue and get reforms addressed. It was never about bringing people together or dividing people further apart, but to address an issue.  The problem here is that like most things in life people are taking advantage of a situation for their own gain and bastardizing a worthwhile cause. You can look to almost any noble project and see it brings out the worst to try and take advantage or destroy something good.  When Hurricane Katrina hit the amount of fraudulent charity sites which popped up were astronomical, and they popped up throughout the country.  When Hurricane Sandy hit, the same thing occurred.  Now you have angry individuals using the rallies as a cover to attack police you have  individuals who are trying to discredit BLM's purpose by saying well why not focus on this issue in the black community or why should not all lives matter. The issue here is the lack of logical thinking in that they see things as "mutually exclusive."  People see the words "Black lives matter" and assume that if you say this that you must mean other lives do not, and this is lazy thinking at best and an excuse to hide one's prejudgements at worst. Also, people need to understand, this group is focusing on this issue now, but the group is made up of people who do fight for other causes.  There are women or various races in BLM who are also part of the NOW (National Organization for Women) who focus on issues affecting women.  Should we shun them when they are fighting for women's rights?  What about the people who are part of BLM who are also part of the LGBT community.  When they are part of other organizations who try to fight against discrimination against the LGBT community, should we say you have no right to address this issue right now, unless you address this other issue.  Sometimes, you address one issue at a time because there is strength on coordinating your efforts.

    1. pstraubie48 profile image85
      pstraubie48posted 22 months agoin reply to this

      Interesting but I do not think that it is mutually exclusive but I get your point.

  13. Lindsay Langstaff profile image90
    Lindsay Langstaffposted 11 months ago

    I certainly believe that racism exists in our society today to a certain extent, however, the Black Lives Matter movement has perpetuated violence and a hatred of the police. While I think that the original intent behind the movement is worthy, it has turned into a monstrosity that has caused significantly more issues than it has solved. Let's think back to how MLK did it. Remember what tremendous results he produced through peace?

    I think that the current movement is causing divisions, but if we get back to the MLK style of making things happen, then we can resolve our problems and do so peacefully.

  14. Hiro Protagonist profile image60
    Hiro Protagonistposted 9 months ago

    It's pretty amazing how many Americans lack a sophisticated understanding of how a history of racist policies in america could cascade through the years resulting in a massively disproportionate number of incarcerated blacks and residential segregation.  If your response to 'Black Lives Matter" is "Blue Lives Matter" then you just don't get it.

    if your response is that blacks mostly kill other blacks so how can they champion the BLM movement then you really, really don't get it.

    The purpose of the movement is bring awareness to inequality for African Americans. 

    If you truly are not racist, how can you look at american history and the various relevant statistics of today and not concede the existence of deeply rooted systemic issues.

    Try lifting a finger to educate yourselves.

 
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