The failure to connect was with the working man , Bernie said ! So just who is supposed to be surprised by that revelation . But then ,why would an organization of absolute entitlement promotion ever connect with the people who have to pay for that very thing ? Kind of a personality conflict going on within the DNC and the party itself .
No wonder the kids of the same bunch are ranting in the streets?
I heard that 1/3 of the counties that voted for Obama twice, flipped and voted for Trump. I think they were very disappointed by all the false promises..
The Clinton campaign made decisions base on computer algorithm called “Ada". Many people thought Hillary was kind of robotic in her campaign and speeches, and out of touch with the people.
Don't forget Bernie was into entitlement promotion. He connected quite well with that message.
He sure did, because he wasn't being a phony. I don't agree with socialism, but I do admire Bernie for his honesty.
No. Bernie wasn't a phony. I was so sorry to see him not get the nomination.
This certainly one time where I wholeheartedly agree with you. I blame the DNC apparatchiks for this defeat and outcome.
Blame the insistence on political connections and power above such minor things as integrity, honesty or even legality. And it isn't present in only one party.
That's what got Trump the election. It's almost comical to see the cries for electors to set aside their ethics and their honesty; to ignore their pledge while changing their vote. To ignore the law, putting themselves above those laws, in order to subvert the constitution and the very base of our governing scheme - the free elections by the people - in this country.
And those people advocating for such actions to get what THEY want can't see the immense irony in asking for the very same activity that is the reason Trump will sit in the White House.
I am opposed to messing with the system at this time, as being contentious and partisan. But, I can see the need to evaluate it more closely and consider changing it only for future election cycles.
Will not argue that - I am still not firmly convinced that the EC is proper today. At best I lean towards "yes", but it is a small tilt.
But that doesn't change that millions of people are calling for electors to lose their integrity, break their promises and perform illegal actions...so that those petitioners can have what THEY wanted instead of what actually happened.
Wilderness, I responded to GA in regards to electoral college, last night, take a look at it and give me your opinion. I know that you are leaning toward keeping it in place. It is on the EC thread.
"But that doesn't change that millions of people are calling for electors to lose their integrity, break their promises and perform illegal actions...so that those petitioners can have what THEY wanted instead of what actually happened"
I am adamantly opposed to this....
As far as I understand it, unless a state has placed a legal obligation for Electors to vote according to the popular vote of the state, then it's legal for them to vote as they choose. Still think the system makes sense?
It is not the EC that needs changing. Bernie was a breath of fresh air. Because he was a socialist was not a problem for most. People get hung up on the definition rather than the way it is applied. Did Obama get his way with the whole ACA? No because it had to be run through the mire and muck we call Congress. The same would happen to Bernie with any socialist ideas that he threw at the swamp dwellers. What needs change is the way money is used to subvert campaigns for those who do it for greed. Hillary was totally wooed by Wall Street and superficial half truths that were offered up in a legalize mumbo jumbo was less than authentic. Hillary followed the greed and that type of greed lost the hearts and minds of those who it has been economically paralyzing for years. My vote was for a way away from the typical political crap that profits a few such as what the two major parties were offering after Bernie's dismissal by the Mass Media and DNC. Trump is calling up the same old pundits and DC insiders as Bush and Reagan to put the machine back in place. I was a bit appalled at the Trump Campaign but it was his same as usual economic policies that kept my vote from him and Hillary was never in the picture for me. I am hoping for the best but waiting for the worst in all of this.
I'm at a lose here. Could you explain what you meant by this. please? I really would like to understand who you are referring to and why you think Trump is putting the machine back in place.
What appears to many to be true, often times is far from the truth. I said that because Trump is an excellent strategist who can see a route that others are just going to need to trust his judgement on. I know he believes strongly in keeping his friends close, and keeping his enemies closer.
Example: I don't expect that, say Reince Priebus...will ever know exactly what the Trump Administration plans are secretly. But, that Trump will keep the little weasel too busy to undermine strategic planning and in the dark. I'm pretty sure Priebus will be gone sometime in the months ahead, not years.
Politics can be as interesting as a world class chess game at times.
It's like Darth Vader says, "now pay the price for your lack of vision".
Call Sanders what you want , what he isn't is a breath of fresh air , here in Vermont where Sanders dynasty reigns , there is an eighty-five percent liberal legislature still high on sixties pot , THAT is the Sanders phenomena and that's all it is . Sanders would have tripled or quadrupled the national debt inside of six months flat . His socialist dreams are leftover fantasies of the Chicago and the fringe NYC sixties , and the burned out LSD era of the fifties . how is that progress ?
What is it exactly that peoople never get about some issue of an economy that "pays it's own way " in taxable income and stolen revenue ? Oh yea, I know , that doesn't matter .
Typical right wing dribble. Is it that Sander's held corporate bullying to a slow roar or is it that Vermont's low 3.7% unemployment rate is too hard to bear? Maybe it is that Vermont median income is above average that keep people in the poor house. I don't know what your beef is. Wait till Trump hands us the bill for the lower taxes he is going to give us.
P.S. Don't hold your breath.
RH, while most of Bernie ideas, would inevitably by eliminated by a crimson red legislature. At least Bernie would have been President and always had a better chance than Clinton against, in my opinion. It is not hindsight.
Trump is confirming my worst imaginings. He is not even trying to get any moderates. I thought that he was supposed this populist hero, above the fray? He has moved in the worse corporate cronies, and has virtually scraped the bottom of barrel for the worse of the hard right wing ideologues, even by the current standard of the GOP. No kumbaya here....
The voices of protest are the only weapons that remain within the progressive's arsenal, as the Dark Side prevails, FOR NOW.
The election of Trump represents far worse than any"political crap" that was on the scene. The tone of his administration certainly is set by the kinds of people he is appointing into his inner circle.
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