After the election ! Pres. Obama may have ordered surveillance of the Trump Administration ! At least some whistleblower[s] are saying - alleging Trump was possible bugged by the Obama administration . This is aside of the whole Russian connection investigation , ......
Can the ex-president Obama be charged with this ?
Wonder how or where the media hype will take this ?
Those are not credible sources, no more than you consider Salon one. Mainstream media sources are the only ones I can consider, not rabidly rightwing ones with lies and biased agendas.
Seriously Credence , its all over the news , either catch up or get out of the forums ! Stop being so negative to reality .
horseback: Obama may have ordered surveillance of the Trump Administration !
Credence2: Let's have the link?
colorfulone: breitbart.com, infowars.com I can't even . . .
Did Obama Abuse Raw Intelligence?
I couldn’t have seen those transcripts when I led the House intel committee.
It was remarkable when Devin Nunes, chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, revealed Wednesday that Trump campaign officials were caught up in the inadvertent collection of intelligence. Read between the lines with a clear understanding of the intelligence community, and it’s positively astonishing.
Starting with the premise of Mr. Nunes’s announcement, there’s evidence to show that communications involving people connected with the Trump transition were collected by America’s intelligence apparatus. We don’t know the particulars, but it could include conversations between Trump transition staff and foreign officials whose conversations were subject to intelligence monitoring.
Things begin to get a little frightening when we learn that this inadvertent collection of Trump staff conversations was followed up with transcriptions of those conversations and the disclosure (or unmasking) of the persons involved in the conversation. These transcripts would be considered raw intelligence reports.
When I was chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, I was routinely involved in briefings as a member of the “Gang of Eight”—both parties’ leaders in the House and Senate and on the intelligence committees. I cannot recall how many times I asked to see raw intelligence reporting and was refused because that stuff is just not made available to policy makers.
But according to Mr. Nunes, such information made its way to the Obama White House before Inauguration Day. Few if any people working in the White House would ever need to see raw intelligence. Like intelligence committee members, they are typically consumers of intelligence products, not raw intelligence.
The raw transcripts of masked persons—or unmasked persons, or U.S. persons who can be easily identified—making their way to the White House is very likely unprecedented. One can only imagine who, at that point, might be reading these reports. Valerie Jarrett? Susan Rice? Ben Rhodes? The president himself? We don’t know, and the people who do aren’t talking at the moment.
Then we have the testimony earlier this week from FBI Director James Comey and National Security Agency Director Adm. Mike Rogers. Mr. Comey said there was no basis to support the tweet from President Trump that his “wires” had been tapped by Barack Obama. What he didn’t say—and wasn’t asked—was whether information was collected on Trump staff by other means. Mr. Trump was a little inarticulate in the context of Twitter’s 140-character limit, but it seems he got the general picture right.
Then there’s Mr. Comey’s testimony that the FBI had been investigating Trump staff for eight months. It almost certainly included surveillance; an investigation without surveillance would approach farcical.
Adm. Rogers told the House Intelligence Committee that there are strict controls in place for masking and unmasking the identities of people caught up in the inadvertent collection of information and the distribution of this kind of material. It now appears he either misled the committee or doesn’t know what’s happening inside his own agency. If Mr. Nunes is right, the rules either weren’t followed or were much less stringent than Adm. Rogers let on.
Last, and rather damningly, I believe that Mr. Comey and Adm. Rogers would have to have known that raw transcripts of captured conversations that included members of the Trump team were at the White House. It is inconceivable that people in those positions of power would not know. While this may not be criminal, it is at least a cause for them to be fired.
My greatest concern—the one that keeps me awake at night—is that the awesome powers of our intelligence community might have been corrupted for political purposes. While we’re not witnessing broad, Stasi-style surveillance of citizens, it’s clear there have been serious errors of judgment and action among our otherwise professional intelligence community. This is truly scary. We have to learn the entire truth before anyone, in or out of Congress, can again have confidence in our intelligence community.
Mr. Hoekstra, a Michigan Republican, was chairman of the House Intelligence Committee, 2004-07.
* https://www.wsj.com/articles/did-obama- … inion_main
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That pretty much sums up the corporate mainstream press-titutes of today too!
ADDED: I meant this reply for Credence. But, it works!
So, Judge Napolitano spoke out about the surveillance on Trump and got canned from Fox News? Seems he should get his job back since President Trump has been vindicated, and so was Napolitano. Someone pulled some strings because the Judge told the truth or so it would seem. At least we know he isn't just an intellectual prostitute.
So its all about HOW it was announced rather than who announced it , There lies the media focus , The Chairman or the entire committee ! Wow huge difference , ......What's a chairman [Nunes ]for anyway, ether trust him as chairman or not . Liberals ON the house intel. committee are just pissed because they couldn't spin the announcement .
Trump was bugged by Obama . , period !
Credence? Here is a link to what Nunes had to say Wednesday.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxZNa4eYG0c
This may, or may not, be the announcement ahorseback refers to in his question.
I'm guessing not. To me, the Nunes announcement appears rather artfully crafted for the purpose of encouraging lemmings to go jump off a cliff, rather than risk the consequences of leading a rather large unstoppable herd to the edge.
Give it a week. Perhaps he will say "April Fools".
It fascinates me that there is any amount of surprise to the revelation. Anyone who thought the White House (under any administration, whether democrat or republican) wouldn't have done this is rather naive. Power corrupts.
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