"Pittsburg Not Paris ! " Trump

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    ahorsebackposted 6 years ago

    The America First Trump ----The New World Order First Obama
    Trump one !--------Obama one less ?

    And the media of the left melts down EVEN further ,Will the liberal media EVER get out from under itself?

    1. Greensleeves Hubs profile image90
      Greensleeves Hubsposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      I take it you approve? I've resisted commenting in recent weeks on other Q & As about Mr Trump, but climate change is a world problem, and may well prove the world's greatest problem in the decades to come. Mr Trump's scepticism about this phenomenon is baseless. Even if some Americans may be cynical about their own scientists, independent experts around the world are agreed that the need to combat climate change is urgent and vital.

      It's not the 'liberal media' on this one, ahorseback - it's everyone who respects scientific research and who cares about future generations on this planet. And we've got a right to 'melt down' over this one.

      Far from increasing America's respect in the rest of the world, Mr Trump is turning your country into a total laughing stock, and his action in turning his back on the Paris agreement is a sign of crass, short-sighted, ignorant stupidity, which has been internationally condemned. The man is a danger to the world, including America, and the sooner he is gone, the better. As you may gather, his total disregard for scientific evidence in favour of very short-term economics, makes me rather angry.

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        promisemposted 6 years agoin reply to this

        Well said, Greensleeves.

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          ahorsebackposted 6 years agoin reply to this

          Neither one of you can answer ?

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            promisemposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            I answered Greensleeves. There is nothing else to answer.

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        ahorsebackposted 6 years agoin reply to this

        Well another country on the "receiving end " of the accords heard from !   Do you know what the problem is with science in the last thirty or so years is ?    Liberal political science  , resisted ,  fought and  eliminated all of the real scientists  resistance to "global warming ' over these  years  and has now dominated  all the P.C.-- created science  for two decades .

        But answer me this ;

        For instance , Exactly what benefit is there for America to stop coal mining because "it's dirty " -- lose thousands of jobs , AND allow China , South Africa , India ++++++ to not only increase their productions  to make up the difference BUT for us to PAY  them $  to do that ? Please explain that one ? Will the world get cleaner , Will  these countries  pollute less , Will it  help the rivers ?

        1. RJ Schwartz profile image86
          RJ Schwartzposted 6 years agoin reply to this

          We all know that it won't - the entire premise of the Paris Agreement was to neuter the United States of America - Ask yourself why Obama didn't go through proper channels and get Congress involved as he should have done...

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            PrettyPantherposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            I am interested in hearing how it would "neuter" the US. Please be specific.

        2. crankalicious profile image89
          crankaliciousposted 6 years agoin reply to this

          I don't actually mind Trump's rationale for pulling out of the Paris Agreement - that it weakens America. That's consistent with his vision. However, if you think coal jobs are coming back because of it, then you are simply dumb.

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            ahorsebackposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            What Dumb is ? Is electing an inexperienced low grade social worker  for president .AND   Is a president who signed away American Jobs , incredible amounts of American money , American  manufacturing , Mining ,  natural resource  jobs ,  once again  destroying  the sovereignty of America ,  working hard to produce a one world order  with an image  of progress and a reality of  incredibly naive in-experience   .

            Vote for Obama ? Vote to follow him up with Hilary ?

          2. colorfulone profile image79
            colorfuloneposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            Coal jobs are coming back.  The air pollution technology control in the United States is second to none.  We lead the world in carbon reduction.  If you look at factories that burn coal, they look like some kind of a energy plant because of the massive pollution control in place for clean air.  We're not going to stop the advancement in technology, and we will share our technology with other countries if they like. 

            It use to be that people were breathing pollution floating in the air, getting it in our eyes and it smelled bad too.  Now, it is clean air, thankfully! 

            I'm rather proud of America for leading the world in reducing emissions since the Clean Air Act.

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              ahorsebackposted 6 years agoin reply to this


            2. crankalicious profile image89
              crankaliciousposted 6 years agoin reply to this

              America is the second largest producer of carbon emissions per capita in the world.

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              crankaliciousposted 6 years agoin reply to this

              You really have to be beyond ignorant and misinformed to think coal jobs are coming back. I am sure VHS factory production jobs are next.

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                colorfuloneposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                No, you are projecting your own "beyond ignorance".  Sorry that shoe doesn't fit me.  I'll let you remain ignorant, I have better things to do with my time than educate beyond what you have cared to seek for yourself, its called information and knowledge.  Talk about ignorant.

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              colorfuloneposted 6 years agoin reply to this

              There is a new coal mine opening in Pittsburgh of all places, not Paris.   
              BTW, its the first of four new coal plants.

              1. crankalicious profile image89
                crankaliciousposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                You actually think coal producers are going to hire people for jobs that can be done by machines and that people are going to use coal power when natural gas is cheaper?

                http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1 … 16.1170738

                Please provide a link about these new coal plants. I actually want to read about it.

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            promisemposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            It's a purely nationalistic move. But the more he annoys other countries, the more the U.S. could face a backlash that hurts the economy.

            For example, why would people from other countries vacation here if they are mad about Trump decisions? Why buy U.S. goods and services if they are available elsewhere?

            It's like moving into a new house and painting the outside bright purple with pink polka dots. The neighors will get mad and fight back. But in this case, the neighborhood is the entire planet.

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        ahorsebackposted 6 years agoin reply to this

        Perhaps One Day ,  When the rest of the world CATCHES up with America's lead in research and development ,  environmental  law enforcement ,  prosecution of polluters  , then the other countries to can  drop out of the Paris Accords !
        America is a far cleaner place than the slums of manufacturing , energy production and coal fired dirty sponge , government led economies   like China ,   India , Turkey , South Africa , ...........clean up the rest of the world like America has !

        Fact ,*Pew Research Polls ;   Global warming is  about 50 th on the list of American's polling  concerns .

        Global warming is NOTHING BUT  a liberal religion and the Paris Accord is their  false God.

        1. Will Apse profile image88
          Will Apseposted 6 years agoin reply to this

          You certainly lead the world in your contempt for foreigners, lol.

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            ahorsebackposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            You know ......I'm sick of Liberally originated P.C. foreign policies, treaties , economic agreements and proxy wars , phony causes  that stifle our economy ,   cost US trillions of dollars ,  to what ? "Improve our world image "  in a world of nations that perpetually resent all our success' to begin with .
            Finally , a leader that is saying just that !

            My contempt ?   Is for" has been" establishment party leadership {both ideologies } and the "hangers on" obstruction to true progress . .

      4. PhoenixV profile image63
        PhoenixVposted 6 years agoin reply to this

        You should hear what some Americans are really thinking.

  2. crankalicious profile image89
    crankaliciousposted 6 years ago

    The opening of new coal plants should be a huge headline, and it doesn't seem to come up anywhere.

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    ahorsebackposted 6 years ago

    There are approximately 1500 coal power generating units in over 500  power plants in the US , What exactly would liberals have us do , Buy coal from China perhaps  , maybe they can ship it over in the  same packages as your  Us . subsidized Solar Panels come in ?      Maybe in the trunks of  you japanese made Honda Prius'?

    Liberals should not only start acting like Americans but also Buy something American !

    1. crankalicious profile image89
      crankaliciousposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      I don't know what this response has to do with anything I've written. I'd prefer clean energy over dirty energy. Coal pollutes the air and causes great harm to people who work in the mines and are nearby coal plants. That said, if that's my option for power, I'm buying the power because I need my beer cold. Please save your comments about subsidization of solar panels. The taxpayer subsidizes all kinds of stuff, including most of the things you eat, so you can make the same derogatory comment about basically anything. I was merely asking for a link to something written about the opening of new coal plants. I'd be interested in seeing the motivation for doing so because there is none. I'd also be interested to see how many jobs it's creating.

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        ahorsebackposted 6 years agoin reply to this

        Lets have  liberals , just for once ,  list the environmental improvements in the last forty years or so in  the oversight of such things as coal mining ,   oil explorations ,natural gas  mining or  even  nuke plants ,   If the left had its way  ,  there would be pictures of coal miners in  rags , chipping away in a caving hole in the ground , while their kids starve at their side .  Black clouds of black leaden air over the cities .........Or the left Could take a look at China's cities where wearing a mask  because of NO oversight by government  is a daily requirement  for most people .   

        Just think liberals , Of all the  U.S. Tax money saved from the Paris Accords  that can go to Planned Abortionhood., uhhh sorry ....... Parenthood .

        1. crankalicious profile image89
          crankaliciousposted 6 years agoin reply to this

          Still not sure what you're ranting about. The dig at Planned Parenthood seems pointless - they do very few abortions. The rest of it seems mostly okay. Ironically, the push to make such environmental improvements has been because of progressives. We are far better off because of it. It's just that the decline in coal jobs has nothing to do with those regulations. It has to do with technology and cheap natural gas. Those jobs, despite what you might hope for, are not coming back.

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            ahorsebackposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            Pure B.S.

            1. crankalicious profile image89
              crankaliciousposted 6 years agoin reply to this

              Show me any evidence coal jobs will come back. Show me any link to any piece of environmental or safety regulation passed by a conservative. Conservative, by definition, is status quo.

              Our president withdraws us from the Paris Accords while giving a speech so full of lies that it's actually harder to find any truthful statements in the whole thing. He withdraws us from world leadership, tucks tail and runs away, while every CEO in America, every reasonable politician, and almost every world leader, says it's a bad idea. He effectively, with this decision, withdraws from scientific and technological advancement while killing jobs and shipping them overseas. Yet, you applaud because coal jobs will be coming back.

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                ahorsebackposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                Definition of Paris Accord 's "World Leadership ",

                Wiki ;
                Send us ALL your money -U.S. dollars  Now ------In the exchange for the promise that we will ALL catch up to America's advances in science , research , development and engineering of climate safety  .

                Sometime in the far distant future !

                1. crankalicious profile image89
                  crankaliciousposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                  Again, wrong. Participating in the accord is voluntary with no enforcement mechanism. Try again.

                  1. colorfulone profile image79
                    colorfuloneposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                    Barrack Obama signed the Paris Accord. The United States did not.


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              colorfuloneposted 6 years agoin reply to this


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        Quilligrapherposted 6 years agoin reply to this

        Howdy, Crankalicious.

        I read your post that said, "I was merely asking for a link to something written about the opening of new coal plants." Perhaps I can help.

        Our colorful colleague, just like our colorful President, continues to misrepresent the facts. It’s true, four new mines will soon begin operating in PA but none is in Pittsburgh. The first to open, the Acosta Deep Mine, is in Jennerstown, Sommerset County, about an hour drive east of Pittsburgh. Two others are  also located in Sommerset Co. and the forth is in Cambria County. {1}

        You also said in the same post: "I'd be interested in seeing the motivation for doing so because there is none." Odd you leap to a false conclusion that no motivation exists.

        Ample economic motivation does exist for opening these mines. However, the initial poster is not likely to give you any facts because the truth does not support the false narrative being spread here.   

        Notice that the post doesn't mention, for example, that plans to open these mines were first announced last year, long before President Trump’s unexpected election.

        This particular poster certainly is not going to tell you or this forum that the economic impetus for these new mines is short lived and driven by events overseas that have nothing to do with President Trump's policies or U.S. politics.

        As a matter of fact, this spurt of coal mine activity does not signal “coal jobs are coming back.” It is indeed a welcomed windfall but U.S. coal miners still rely on the production of steam coal and the demand for steam coal will continue to decline over the long term. 

        The four new PA coal mines will help satisfy a small and temporary supply shortfall for coking (met) coal. A handful of mine owners are looking to take advantage of rising market prices for a grade of coal that represents only 15% of global coal production. The unexpected surge was triggered by massive disruptions in Australia following Cyclone Debbie. The damage affected half of the world’s seaborne supply of met coal. 

        The spot premium market price for met coal, used primarily to manufacture steel, tripled in the year ending April, 2017, but analysts caution this is a temporary spike. Business Insider reported recently, “Given actual damage to mines [in Australia] is limited, the overall production loss from plan may be relatively negligible. And assuming full capacity is restored on the rails in time, there should be a period of shipment catch-up after the outage.” {2}

        You also raised another good point, Crank. "I'd also be interested to see how many jobs it's creating."

        While I can not predict the future, the facts suggest the best answer is probably “Not enough!”

        At its peak in 1920, the U.S. mining industry employed 785,000 workers. That number shrank to 242,000 in 1980. “By 2000, 15 years before the Environmental Protection Agency first proposed the Clean Power Plan and released new pollution guidelines to cut toxic emissions from power plants, industry employment had dropped by more than half to 102,000. By 2015, coal mining had shed 59 percent of its workforce, compared to 1980." Underlining was added to emphasize the fact that the plight of coal miners today is NOT the result of regulations. {3}

        More recent data from The Bureau of Labor Statistics reveal the  number of coal miners in the U.S. had further declined from around 90,000 in 2012 to around 50,000 in 2016. The number of working mines plunged by over 800 in the decade between 2006 and 2016. {4}

        That amounts to 40,000 jobs lost within four years and about eight-hundred mines closed in a decade. Yet, incredibly, without considering the impact of automation, cleaner burning natural gas, and more efficient surface mining in the West, some would like us to believe that four new mines and maybe, maybe, 700 new jobs, or less, translates into "Coal jobs are coming back." Americans are right not to believe it. I don’t believe it either, nor have I seen any supporting facts from the people who say they do.

        The coal mining industry in the U.S. is trending downward, and, in what may well be one of the cruelest “deals” of his lifetime, President Trump has convinced thousands of desperate, struggling coal miners to give him their votes in exchange for hollow promises and false hope.

        Thanks for sharing with us, Crankilicious. Have a great evening.
        {1} http://www.coalage.com/news/latest/5510 … TY5CCmAN2Z
        {2} http://www.businessinsider.com/chart-th … bie-2017-4
        {3} https://www.brookings.edu/blog/the-aven … al-miners/
        {4} https://data.bls.gov/cew/apps/table_mak … amp;supp=1

  4. ptosis profile image68
    ptosisposted 6 years ago

    Awesome post

  5. colorfulone profile image79
    colorfuloneposted 6 years ago

    President Trump: Putting Coal Country Back to Work
    https://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-of … -back-work

    President Trump removed burdensome regulations by the Obama Administration that was putting coal miners out of business. 

    I'm not sure when things are going to go full steam ahead, but things are being put into place.  Everything takes time especially when there are Democrat obstructionist trying to stop the Trump Adm. at every turn. 

    If some people would take the time to study everything that is documented on the White House website, they might be more current and accurate, and not look like someone who just wants to bash and trash while sitting on a throne.  It gets even more comical with anal retentive personalities from Paris to Pittsburgh, as usual.  Obsess away on details while you pass a load. - Put your hip boots on! 
    (two miles off, wow, like that matters with coal trucks and coal cars)

    1. colorfulone profile image79
      colorfuloneposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      President Trump lauded the opening of the nation's first new coal mine in recent memory. Corsa Coal Company will operate the mine in Somerset County, Pa. - outside of Pittsburgh.

      Corsa CEO George Dethlefsen said the mine will be a boon to the struggling local economy. He praised Trump's easing of regulations and encouragement for fossil fuel exploration.

      First New Coal Mine of Trump Era Opens in Pennsylvania
      http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/06/10/n … egulations

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    ahorsebackposted 6 years ago

    Quilligrapher ,greetings ,We'll see about coal jobs one way or another however Or any jobs . Its a bit disingenuous to compare coal mining jobs  from  1920  to today however ,   Like all industry  ONE coal mining machine of today replaces how many dozen- dozens of yesterday pick hammer miners !    It "used "  to take a field full of men to hay a pasture too , or hundreds to build a city mall ,,  The only place Obama  seemed to be increasing jobs  was in the federal government and in the New mainstream anti-Trump news media  of today , a boom there !.

    At the very worst Trump is increasing corporate confidence , if you read the reports ,  for hiring and business profit model levels  in many areas of business ,  Why don't we note that even if it were just confidence  only  over the horribly  directed job markets of the last ten years or so , that THAT alone would be an improvement ?

    Tsk Tsk to the naysayers .


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