Catch a Liar

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   ptosisposted 4 months ago

   Write it down, write it out, share it.
   
   Inconsistencies? Contradictions?
   
   4% of people are accomplished liars and they can do it well. How can you a catch a person in his own web of lies? Look for insincere emotions. Most people can't fake smile. Keep in mind that some people have studied verbal and physical cues in order to lie better, so don't rely solely on the cues.
   
   signs that nobody trusts you; Colleagues ostracize you. People don't want to work on your team. Your coworkers put everything in writing.
   
   
   
   
   https://leb.fbi.gov/2011/june/evaluatin … -deception

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      Live to Learnposted 4 months agoin reply to this

      Wow. You are either incredibly naive or just have an ax to grind. My experience is that the majority of people can fake a smile, all people lie (most of them quite well) and the liars stick together, ostracizing anyone who insists on honesty and integrity.

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         ptosisposted 4 months agoin reply to this

         I feel sorry for you.Do you live in the city?

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            Live to Learnposted 4 months agoin reply to this

            Not now. I've lived all over the world. People are people.  Think about it. Whistle blowers are treated like pariahs and rarely are they completely vindicated even after the facts clear their names. This holds true no matter how high or low the whistle blower works.
            
            I assume you are a guy. Trust me. Women fake smiles, fake laughs and fake anything they think will make them appear more attractive or will let them get ahead. Guys are no different.

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               PrettyPantherposted 4 months agoin reply to this

               Some women do that. Most don't.

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                  Live to Learnposted 4 months agoin reply to this

                  I'd say most women do that and some don't. I don't and I have met more not like me than are.

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                     PrettyPantherposted 4 months agoin reply to this

                     We must run in completely different circles.  Alternatively, we see what we want to see.

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                        Live to Learnposted 4 months agoin reply to this

                        I'm afraid that seeing what one wants to see is a little insulting. I can only go by my experience with men and women. Implying that I 'want' to see this is, at best, shallow.

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                           GA Andersonposted 4 months agoin reply to this

                           OMG! Not you too Live to Learn. Shallow? ahorseback will probably sue you for copyright infringement.
                           
                           GA ;-)

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                              PrettyPantherposted 4 months agoin reply to this

                              Lol, I thought the same thing, "Gee, this sounds familiar...."

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                                 Live to Learnposted 4 months agoin reply to this

                                 Aw, gee. Using a simple word is difficult to understand?  I'll clarify. Your response was beyond simplistic. It's an answer empty of thoughtful weight. It trivializes another's thoughts and experiences.. It was a foolish answer and, somewhat silly.
                                 
                                 Get it now?

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                                    PrettyPantherposted 4 months agoin reply to this

                                    Got it. Since you are unwilling to address my followup, shall I assume that you are shallow? No, I won't do that, but to each his own.  My "Gee" response was meant to be humorous, but I guess it didn't come across that way.
                                    
                                    I really didn't intend this to get so nasty so fast, but whatever.  Challenging stereotypes either gets a thoughtful response or a defensive one.  I know that, but I thought I'd at least try. 
                                    
                                    C'est la vie

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                              Live to Learnposted 4 months agoin reply to this

                              I apologize. Women I know who use that argument can easily be seen as shallow, even by the most casual of observers. I should not assume the cat lady is similar simply because she used that argument.

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                           PrettyPantherposted 4 months agoin reply to this

                           Well, sure, we all go by experiences, which is why I stated that we must run in different circles. I also stated an alternative that would apply to both of us. Didn't mean to insult you personally, but I did interpret your comments as insulting to women and overly stereotypical, which is why I felt the need to "defend" my gender. I don't see myself that way and I know very few women who operate that way.
                           
                           So, either we run in different circles or we see things differently. Yes, I admit that saying you want to see women that way  is insulting, so I apologize. I doubt you consciously want to see those qualities, but it is entirely possible, even likely, that you unconsciously see them where they don't exist. Many psychological studies have revealed this to be true. A significant number of people, possibly all people, engage in unconscious stereotyping. It is one reason why it is harder for women to get elected to high public office.

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                              Live to Learnposted 4 months agoin reply to this

                              I didn't see this earlier. If my comments implied that 'all' women were like this I apologize. There are no absolutes. However, most I have met are. If women take this as an insult then that is too bad. I will say that women who operate that way would never admit it, probably wouldn't see it in themselves.
                              
                              Whether we run in different circles, or not, these types exist in all walks of life and in all circles (assuming the circle consists of more than a person or two)
                              
                              As to me stereotyping; it is easy to look at another and find fault without understanding what experiences have led them to the conclusions they have come to. I get it.

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                                 PrettyPantherposted 4 months agoin reply to this

                                 Agree that women who behave as you described probably don't recognize that they do. Can't agree that most "women fake smiles, fake laughs and fake anything they think will make them appear more attractive or will let them get ahead."
                                 
                                 That is an insulting stereotype. Yes, some women do that. I'd have to see some concrete evidence to believe most do.

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   ahorsebackposted 4 months ago

   Hey ! Don't go getting my use of a "shallow " comment into a gender war ......;-]

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      PrettyPantherposted 4 months agoin reply to this

      No war here.  You can't have a war if only one person fights.  I'm trying to engage in a discussion, but failed at my honest attempt.   Oh well.

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         ahorsebackposted 4 months agoin reply to this

         To be fair , I believe women and men are equally guilty of the phoniness of smiles , lies ,  deceiving others  and social ladder climbing .  When I was young I though women were more gossipy , back -stabbing and   hard to get along  with but as I experienced more in the work place I fully realized men are just as "catty "  as any woman I've ever known .  In fact , men can be way way worse at times on the job . Maybe it's the changing times, in these last few decades, but  I saw more  underhandedness in men on the job .
         
         Now , which is shallower ?...............;-}

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