The Las Vegas shooter does not make any sense%#?

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jackclee lmposted 7 years ago
There is going to be much more to this story than meets the eye. So far, the information that has came out about this guy makes no sense at all.
A man with no digital foot print in the modern era...
Where did he get his millions?
A retired accountant does not have that kinds of money.
Where is his family and ex wives and girl friends and friends...?
What do they know?
Where did he gets his guns? And the training on how to use them?
Where are his medical records?
Is he on some medication?
What is his motive?
He does not fit the MO of a crazy man or a lone wolf?
He is an enigma and the poster child for gun control.
Who is funding him?
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  RJ Schwartzposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  He's a gambler Jack - history has him doing well at the casinos since 2011
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  jackclee lmposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Very few gamblers win in the long haul. Most win some and then loose it all back and then some...
  I could understand it if it was high stakes poker where some skills are involved. Video games are rigged and the house always has the advantage. I would be shocked if he could win a million dollars.
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  jackclee lmposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Where is the dossier on this guy? All high rollers in Vegas have a well documented profile his likes and dislikes...???
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  jackclee lmposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Checkout this -
  
  https://www.brasscheck.com/video/it-was … mhide=true
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  jackclee lmposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  How about this new youtube -
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FiTQeye … e=youtu.be
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  Ken Burgessposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Jack, you will be beating your head against the wall on this one.
  
  There is no official story, nor any youtube vigilante story that will give the proof, or the truth of what occurred, that you will find verifiable or satisfying.
  
  America will get the "it was caused by a YouTube video" explanation (reference to what we were told caused Benghazi) from the 'officials' and the media.
  
  You will never know for sure who did it, why, or who knew.
  
  Just accept the official story and move on, unless you like working on puzzles that you can never piece together, if so, have at it.
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  jackclee lmposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  This event reminds me of the movie "Enemy of the State". It just doesn't seem plausible a man can do this without help from the highest level, perhaps the CIA or some other secret government agencies...
  It may seem conspiratorial but there is no other way to explain it.
  
  The TWA800 incident was another one where the official story made no sense at all.
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  colorfuloneposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Las Vegas Sheriff Joseph Lombardo said the gunman had to have some help.
  
  * https://www.hannity.com/content/2017-10 … -massacre/
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  jackclee lmposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  How is it 6 days after the incident, we still know very little about the shooter? Where are the surveillance videos, where are his google account, where are his digital foot print? Where are his amazon purchases? Where are his library history? Where are his bank transactions?
  This guy is like a ghost. Now, they are asking for the piblic's help? What is going on with our intelligrnce services, the FBI? How incompetent can they get?
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  colorfuloneposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  The Slow Roll. Best explanation I have heard so far.
  * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwYBMJo62w8
  
  The 2nd and 3rd hour of the show has James W Rawles & then Matt Bracken. They are excellent, I won't miss hearing them when they talk.
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  Castlepalomaposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Lo..
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  colorfuloneposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Weapons like that are not easy to obtain, then there is the ammo.
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  psycheskinnerposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  I am not sure how they are hard to obtain, they are legal in that state, he would pass a background check, he had the money. He could by a score of them any day of the week. And you can get ammo by the crate through the mail in any state.
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  colorfuloneposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Sweetie, "fully automatic weapons weapons that reload automatically and fire continuously with one trigger pull have been banned for civilians in the United States since the Firearm Owners' Protection Act of 1986." ... that includes belt fed machine guns like Jack and I were discussing.
  
  There is a lot of mis-information.
  
  Not many people are buying the lone-wolf nut job narrative. Trey Gowdy finds the whole story hard to believe, and isn’t quite buying the narrative that one guy was able to pull all of this off by himself. It took a lot of planning and funding.
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  Paul Wingertposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Walmart has aluminum foil on rollback. You'll probably need to make another hat by now.
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  colorfuloneposted 7 years agoin reply to this
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  Castlepalomaposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  I believe that tin foil crown was pass on to Trump.
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  jackclee lmposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Now a new correction to the timeline...
  
  http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-veg … story.html
  
  Why didn't the security guard act to stop the shooting...???
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  Castlepalomaposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  I bet the security was as fraighten as the rest of them. Some claim the security guard was shooting the people. From the tape I saw the guard was pointing his flashlight into the crowd. Then ran with a hand gun in his hand. No one was shot in his area from ths vidio, beside how many people can anyone kill with one hand gun.
  
  To me the guard is a wash. Someone esle shooting from the 1st floor makes more sense. I work as as parttime investigators and have been shot at a few times.
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  jackclee lmposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Why did the shooter stop after 10 minutes?
  The police did not breach his hotel room until 72 minutes after the shooting started.
  There is something fishy about the timeline.
  Where were the sharp shooters?
  I want to see the hotel videos...
  This guy had company...
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  colorfuloneposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Hey, Jack! Yesterday the LV Sheriff changed the narrative on the timeline live on air after being questioned by two different citizen reporters, who obtained the evidence that Paddock checked into the hotel on the 25th, not the 28th. So, we know that official narrative was not accurate.
  
  Infowars broke this story yesterday. But.....
  We’ve known for 7 days that “shooter” Stephen Paddock checked into the Mandalay Bay hotel on 9/25/17 based on valet receipts.
  * https://www.infowars.com/breaking-vegas … urnalists/
  
  ADDED: I don't give a rats behind if some people are triggered by Infowars, so get over it. I like the truth, not the fake news, fake narrative.
  
  There where two people in the hotel room on the 25th, room service meal receipts show. What the Police and FBI didn't know how to find this evidence? It was made known to them by citizen reporters, and they remained silent for days. Seems to be a cover up happening. I have to wonder if this was another false flag event.
  
  The motive: Who stood to gain from the event? I do believe we have heard the shrieking sirens in unison since the event took place, almost immediately as they exposed their political agenda. Predictable!
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  Castlepalomaposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  I am very good at being an artist fulltime and a private investigator parttime. As far as this case and the way it's being played out. They would not hire me to investigate because they would probably have to kill me, for being too honest to a fault.
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  colorfuloneposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  This doesn't answer that question, but there are good questions posed.
  * http://raconteurreport.blogspot.com/201 … d-wtf.html
  
  "The last time I read something this far-fetched, that didn't add up this much, the guy was named Clark, and the author's name was Tom Clancy."
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Ken Burgessposted 7 years ago
He was already dead, there are no connections...

Sometimes those tin-foil-hat black-ops deep-state whatever you want to classify them as stories are true.

Chances of the real facts, and whole truth coming out on this matter is exactly 0.0%
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colorfuloneposted 7 years ago
Hugs, Jack. I know this is a very difficult time, and we all want answers because things don't add up from the narrative we are being fed.

There are videos online that would confirm there was at least a second shooter. We can see what looks like mussel blasts coming from the 4th floor, not from the 32nd floor though. I would like to see mussel blast coming from the 32nd floor like the narrative being reported with zero evidence so far.

* https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_cont … u9Z_KzcS3s
* http://yournewswire.com/las-vegas-video … e-shootes/

Once you look at this evidence with an open mind, things might start to make more sense.

There is police video footage on that second link that shows mussel blasts, and they aren't from the 32nd floor. Listen to what the officer said as she drove away from that location.
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  jackclee lmposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  It is also curious why it took 72 minutes to get to this guy. Where are the sharpshooters?
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colorfuloneposted 7 years ago
I was listening to a survivor of the mass shooting, and she said that hotel rooms are booked months in advance in Vegas. (That sounds right, I don't really know.) If, that is true, then this event was probably planned months in advance. I'm trying to remember her last name, she is a singer, first name is Kaya.

Anyone know about hotel bookings in Vegas?
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psycheskinnerposted 7 years ago
What is confusing? Even after you die every record about your life does not become public domain. There is no reason to expect the media to have his private medical and financial records within days, or possibly ever. The police do not release pictures from an active investigation. This is normal.

He is hardly the first mass shooter in America, and similar in many ways to the usual demographics (mass shootings happen somewhere in this nation every 1-3 days) -- he is just one with a higher body count than usual.
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  jackclee lmposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Boy are you naive. There in no such thing as privacy in this digital world. Google and amazon knows more about you than you yourself. Your spending habits and your health and your political associatons...
  The fact that this person is so much a mystery tells me there is something they are hiding. He is being used as a patsy. Someone wants us, the public, to think he is someone just went berserk...
  Mark my words, there is alot to come out about this shooting and I would not be surprised it is ISIS related...somehow.
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  psycheskinnerposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  I am not at all naive. Medical records are protected under HIPAA, evidentiary photographs follow chain of custody. Everyone who accessed them is identified in Federal systems and hospitals and so leaks from these sources are easily traced. Local sheriff and GPs maybe not so much, but this case is locked down tight. I have direct experience with both systems.
  
  This person is not a mystery at all. His brother was interviewed on TV, his neighbors and coworkers have spoken about him. The media just doesn't have access to the material you want to see. But the guy is exactly what he seems to be, a rich old white guy who decided to blow a lot of people away with automatic weapons. Not sure what is unclear about that.
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  Ken Burgessposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Do tell?
  
  I haven't followed this story, but I wonder, have they shown the hotel camera's that have him lugging in large cases into his hotel room?
  
  Do they have the parking lot cameras showing his arrival?
  
  I am just wondering what evidence they have shown, in this digital age, where cameras are everywhere, of his arrival, of his entry into the hotel, of his activities in and out of the room if there were any...
  
  Somehow all those weapons had to get in there, either by him bringing them in himself, or less likely, by him paying a delivery service to deliver them (a risky proposition as that may raise flags, break laws that expose him to being discovered).
  
  If this was a solo shooter, a paranoid psychopath, chances are he did all this himself, trusting no one to carry those weapons up there (for fear of being discovered) so that would require more than one trip to his room I'd imagine... multiple trips to bring all those materials up.
  
  And how about during the shooting, with everyone having cell phones/video cameras, and the shooting lasting over ten minutes, there must be scores of videos... dozens... showing clearly something occurring from his room.
  
  Even if he is sitting back inside the room with a high powered scoped rifle, sniper style, shooting that long, with broken/open windows, would produce something of note, and would be captured by multiple people in the area on their phones.
  
  Maybe all this is being shown on the news... I don't know... as I said I am not following it. But if they haven't shown clear proof of his movement at the hotel (security videos taken from the hotel entrance or parking lot) and there is no private/cell-phone video conclusively proving where the shots were coming from during that duration of time, then you are being sold story... simple as that.
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  Castlepalomaposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Very fishy.
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  colorfuloneposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  The FBI has a looooong history of covering up. I'm sick of it!
  
  As Jon Rappoport puts it, "So now…there is no reason to believe anything the FBI says about Paddock, his weapons, his ammo, his modifications, the degree of his participation (or non-participation) in the shooting, the trajectories of bullets, the types of bullets found in victims, the nature of the expended shell casings, and other VITAL forensic details in the case."
  * https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2017 … -shooting/
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psycheskinnerposted 7 years ago
A man shot a lot of people. Why don't know why; we may never know why. That's doesn't mean we need to make shit up. Maybe we just admit to not knowing.
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  Castlepalomaposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  The man might be an insider who went insane. No American cover up surprizes me anymore, after the 9/11 cover up. And US Goverment has never lied to the American people?
  
  I think nationalism is new brain wash greater than 45% American who think the world is 10, 000 years old and 60% of christains who only can name half of their 10 commandmentents, their ultimate laws. This is who leads and runs the country and Trump is the best they got. So sad.
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NessMovieReviewsposted 7 years ago
Wow interesting videos Jack! Im in Australia and Im usually more cautious with the receipt of my information but seeing this event on the news yesterday had me in tears just at the voracity of attacks lately on ppl enjoying music events. Seems like the most vicious way to attack someone. I dont think the public will ever be privvy to the truth, not seeing as the media and other leading groups hold the control to what we know according to agenda, but hey it looks like we will always have ppl to post their views like in those vids. Dont worry about Will, from what I keep seeing he has nothing worthy to contribute except for snarky remarks so just ignore.
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abwilliamsposted 7 years ago
I've been thinking about the unhinged man, around the same age as this man, that had a hit list to take out Republicans.
He was all worked up about Trump and the G.O.P. and was full of hate against them....and so he opened fire on them, as they practiced baseball.

We've read about the CBS Exec that wrote she didn't have sympathy for the victims gunned down because country music fans are often Republican gun toters.
Another tweeted, praying only Trumptards died. You get the gist.

Maybe Monster #2's mindset was similar to this 'screwed up' talk/chatter and he snapped too!?!
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  jackclee lmposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Check this out from Infowars -
  https://www.infowars.com/receipt-shows- … -shooting/
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  wildernessposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  They want to talk to that guest, but I'm not sure how much information they'll get from an, umm, "lady of the evening".
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  GA Andersonposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  No! I have seen enough of Infowars to know not to waste the effort. It is telling that you have not.
  
  GA
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  colorfuloneposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  There are teams of undercover investigators that have infiltrated organizations like the violent Antifa, some pretty good footage has led to arrests. I saw one clip recently where a transgender (actually a guy) was telling how they planned to lure Trump supporters to their vehicles and then stab them with short knives, and said since the knives are short you really gotta stab them hard. He/she said they had some ARs coming. The violent left is planning on spilling more blood, they must think CW2 is the answer. I don't get it.
  
  Added: What is their intended goal? Is it to destabilize their own country?
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colorfuloneposted 7 years ago
According to the Las Vegas Review Journal, Paddock “was prescribed an anti-anxiety drug in June that can lead to aggressive behavior”. Diazepam – its brand name Valium. We won't hear about that on mainstream since they run ads for big pharma.
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  jackclee lmposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  That may be true, though I am not sure how pychotics can plan and practice and train for this type of attack by himself...very odd...
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  psycheskinnerposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Being psychotic does not prevent people from planning. You can function perfectly well while having one or more psychotic symptoms. In fact, it could be argued that most people carry around at least one delusion.
  
  That said, human behavior is complex--there will not be one simple reason why he did it. But statistically speaking he is more likely to have simple goals (e.g. express anger, attack a type of person he does not like) than complex ones (e.g. some conspiracy with wide-reaching goals).
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  colorfuloneposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  I've been seeing some intelligence officials saying it was an act of terrorism, which would mean it was politically motivated. That's really the only thing that makes sense. Pure evil, hatred.
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psycheskinnerposted 7 years ago
There seems to be a debate about what terrorism means. I always assumed it had to involved an effort to intimidate the community to do something, but apparently not. In which case what distinguishes terrorism from mass/spree killing?
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  wildernessposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  I hear that. It seems to be applied to any intentional action that harms somebody - not how I would define it either.
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  colorfuloneposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Here is a short video that you might like to listen to.
  Inside The Mind Of A Madman
  * https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_cont … vMPeJYhPg4
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  psycheskinnerposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  I did listen to it and heard nothing new--what point were you trying to bring out?
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  colorfuloneposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  I just thought you might like to hear what the man had to say. I found it interesting.
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  Castlepalomaposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Stephen was a suspected killer, since he is dead. We won' t know for sure. Could be like a Oswald case.
  
  They killed Bin Ladin and dump his body into the sea, then blamed him for 9/11.
  
  Doesn't anymore do honest investigation any more. Or are they too busy policing for profit on the streets and over seas.
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colorfuloneposted 7 years ago
In essence, because of the differences in the speed of sound vs. the speed of the bullets from a known cartridge (.223 Remington, in this case), the time lag between the last bullet hitting the pavement and the last audible report of the rifle muzzle can be used to very accurately calculate the range of the shooter.

More importantly, when the audio from the Las Vegas shooting is analyzed, it reveals TWO shooters operating at the same time, not just one shooter. Shooter #1 is operating at 425 – 475 yards, which is consistent with the Mandalay Bay hotel, but shooter #2 is operating at approximately 250 – 270 yards.

Forensic acoustic proof of SECOND shooter in the Las Vegas massacre
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxmEFeKy8aI

No fake science...just high school math used in the hands of a real scientist and independent investigative journalist, Mike Adams.
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  wildernessposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Are you assuming that the last bullet to hit the pavement was the last bullet fired? Given the use of (effectively) an automatic, that assumption seems a little out of line.
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  colorfuloneposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  I'm not assuming anything, I have pretty much made that a habit. I actually want to learn as many of the facts as I can. But, it makes me wonder if some people in the FBI are incompetent or worse. And, I am not alone on that.
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  wildernessposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Some are. Can there be any doubt that some in EVERY field are incompetent?
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  colorfuloneposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  I don't want to be incredulous, but for the time being there go I. Could be if the truth came out all at once it would cause an uprising nation wide. The truth will come out, but we may have the slow roll so its not such a shock. I don't know.
  
  Could it be a third flag event? Have you seen Sniper with Matt Walberg? That was a third flag.
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  wildernessposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Truth? Like Obama's birthplace? Like Bush planning and executing the 911 attacks via internal bombs instead of planes? Like who shot Kennedy? Like the tales of the holocaust in WWII?
  
  There will never be truth for those that refuse to accept reality. For Vegas that means, at this time, the best guess is a single shooter. And if another isn't found in the next few weeks it means there was only one.
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  colorfuloneposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Perhaps it would open Pandora's box if Trump decides to reveal the classified JFK documents. I hope he will, he can, (but the time is running out soon).
  
  Imama Obama could have released the info on The Bay of Pigs, but chose not to. I was disappointed.
  
  I believe the American people deserve to know what is in those secretive historical documents in the legally allotted time periods that they can be declassified.
  
  I'm sure you would be curious too.
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  Ken Burgessposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  I am not sure where you stand on all those issues, heck I have never heard anything about Bush and 9/11 in the context you frame. But if you think the official stories on these and other issues and truth are one and the same, you are sadly mistaken.
  
  You know the saying: They can fool some of the people all of the time, and some of the people some of the time, but they can't fool all of the people all of the time.
  
  Not that I am saying its worth questioning the 'official' stories, not that I think it makes a difference if you know the truth(s) or not.
  
  There is only one truth you need to worry about when it comes to these things:
  
  You can't do a damned thing about any of them, and if you knew 100% for certain what the truth was about all of them, however you became aware of it, it would do nothing for you, and you could do nothing with it.
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  wildernessposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Oh yes. Bush personally mined the towers. Brought in tons of explosives, ran miles of blasting wire, pulled down thousands of square feet of walls, then put them back up, to get at the steel behind them. It's a well known fact!
  
  But I DO think that if you knew these things, with proof beyond conjecture and imagination, things might happen. Didn't to Clinton, but others don't have her power, either.
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  Ken Burgessposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  There are things I do know, and the knowing doesn't do any good at all.
  What good does it do you to know the government lied about something, that CNN and all the other media sources support that lie?
  What does that truth do for you?
  It doesn't help you in any way... unless you think being more paranoid and distrustful is helpful.
  
  As for the topic at hand, I stumbled onto this video, and I do mean stumbled as I was watching a football related video and this was in the 'up next' column.
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WV1zMdabikc
  
  At one point you could hear two distinctly different weapons fire (not echo but a distinctly different single shot high powered rifle and the belt fed gun) and yes I have years of experience firing weapons, being on firing ranges, etc.
  
  Let me ask you something, if this was a ISIS attack, or if this was a BLM attack, or Antifa attack on a large collection of white people at a country concert, what would the National reaction be?
  
  If it were up to me, and I were making the decision, what we are being told is pretty much what I would have come up with as well... crazy white guy with no connections to any group and no motive. Anything else, and lord knows just how dangerous things get in America, and how many vigilantes spread violence.
  
  This is why knowing the 'truth' would do you no good... if what they are selling isn't the truth, then the truth could only be more damaging to our country, our society, and safety.
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  Readmikenowposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Among the things that don't make sense about the Las Vegas shooting
  "The FBI has beefed up security in Reno, Nevada, after a group of burglars broke into the heavily guarded home of Las Vegas mass shooter, Stephen Paddock over the weekend. According to authorities, a number of unidentified individuals descended on Paddock's home in the Del Webb retirement community just outside Reno, bypassing both state and federal law enforcement who were assigned to protect the property."
  
  Just HOW did this happen? It makes no sense. How "a number of individuals" actually "bypass" state and federal law enforcement guarding a home?" This really stinks.
  
  http://www.dailywire.com/news/22174/fbi … y-zanotti#
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colorfuloneposted 7 years ago
Obama did declassify the 28 pages about 9/11 that Bush classified. Although they were heavily redacted. It changed the official narrative that blamed Iraq, and started a senseless war. I am thankful for that presidential action, because it opened the door for the victims and family members of 9/11 to be able to sue Saudi Arabia. Despite the Saudi's threats to withdraw assets from the US, that would likely have crash our financial system, O' called their bluff. That truth came out, but it hardly got the media coverage it should have, so many people may still believe the cover story.

Saudi / Arabia
There are the Saudis, which is the government.
Then, there are the Arabs, and they are the people.

I suppose Obama opened the Pandora's box, making it difficult to believe "the official narratives". wink wink.
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jackclee lmposted 7 years ago
Area51...UFO ...War of the World...JFK assasination...TWA800...
This is not anything on that level.
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  colorfuloneposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  According to this poll on Paddock, 58% of the voters think that he was a patsy. Not that you needed any confirmation.
  
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colorfuloneposted 7 years ago
Ex cop and casino security pro Frank Poppa has done better reporting on Las Vegas than all the MSM nit-wits combined. I'm going back, to read all of his articles on the mass shooting. If you love to read, this might be for you...
* http://baltimorepostexaminer.com/las-ve … 2017/10/13
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colorfuloneposted 7 years ago
We are like 18 days from this and we still have no answers?
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  Ken Burgessposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Of course you have answers, you have all the answers you are going to get.
  
  There was a crazy old man who bought a truckload of weapons, lugged them up to a hotel room on the 32nd floor and then proceeded to kill as many people as he could before taking his own life.
  
  Anything that doesn't support that scenario is a lie or a conspiracy theory from those nutjobs that don't have any of the real facts.
  
  This was the case on day 2... and will remain the case on day 2,002.
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  colorfuloneposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  That's pretty good writing there, Ken.
  
  I know that the Bible says that Satan is the god of this world, that the whole world is under the control of the evil one, and that he is the father of lies. (edited) And, much more...
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  Ken Burgessposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  https://youtu.be/87ggHaEFNU0
  
  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wYC6kOcX6TI
  
  Just watch and listen to the videos, not their theories provided,
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  colorfuloneposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  I heard about that first video on Infowars, I didn't need to see it to believe what they were saying about it. That is just as they said. The whole liberal media creates its own narrative.
  
  I hadn't seen the second video, that is interesting and I believe pretty accurate information. That false flag had to have been planned for months years. The Agenda! Before the bodies were cold, Hillary was calling for gun control, and then all the usual parrots chimed in. If she had won the election, that event would have been used to grab our guns.
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colorfuloneposted 7 years ago
This is the best site I have found with information on what really happened. I just listened to the air traffic control audio, there was a shooter on the runway. An excellent site!

* https://www.intellihub.com/air-traffic- … rs-runway/
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  jonnycomelatelyposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Colorfulone, sorry to disappoint you but that “intelligible” is mentioned here: http://fakenewswatch.com under the heading Clickbait Websites. If you wish to continue believing in food-for-the-gullible, then that is the choice you will have to live with.
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colorfuloneposted 7 years ago
‪Is Prince Waleed bin Talal's arrest tied to the Vegas shooting? He owns the Four Seasons which is in the Mandalay Bay on the top floors!
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  colorfuloneposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  
  Hal is former intelligence and he has excellent sources.
  * http://halturnerradioshow.com/index.php … d-arrested
  
  ADDED: "A Saudi prince owns 47.5 percent of Four Seasons Hotels and Resorts, which ... It is located on the top five floors of Mandalay Bay."
  * https://www.reviewjournal.com/business/ … gas-strip/
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  Ken Burgessposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  There is always a possibility. Sadly we are never going to know much more than the 'official story' is not the real story. I have seen enough videos taken by actual people at the scene, as it occurred, that had been posted to youtube soon after the attack. There was more than one shooter.
  
  Plenty of suspicious stuff, a couple videos of a helicopter circling overhead, a couple showing where a second shooter was located and the muzzle flash of a belt fed auto-machinegun. Enough to know it wasn't just one crazy old white guy who committed it.
  
  Not to mention... what is the death toll up to of eye witnesses that said there was more than one shooter, 7... 8 people now? They are having some really bad luck, driving into a tree and their vehicle explodes, robberies into their home and they get shot and killed, the assailant never caught.... terrible luck.
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  colorfuloneposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Its a new era we are in.
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  colorfuloneposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  *BREAKING* TUCKER CARLSON EXCLUSIVE NEW VIDEO FROM LAS VEGAS
  * https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oojIv5b … e=youtu.be
  
  This is staggering new evidence never seen before. It shows that there must have been a helicopter hovering there while people were getting shot because of the wind it created.
  
  There has been a Saudi Corruption Purge. The Saudi Princes that owns the top 5 floors of Mandala was arrested, all of his assets have been frozen, billions. Several princess and many others have been arrested. I read that two princess recently died, one died in the helicopter that crashed (or was it shot down).
  
  I do hope that we can have some discussion with more news breaking.
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  Ken Burgessposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  I didn't see anything new, we already knew there was a helicopter overhead, that was confirmed by other video evidence as well as the radar from the nearby airport. What remains a total mystery is who, why, how many, etc.
  
  To find something 'breaking' find a legitimate source, everyone has theories and what they consider proof (watch from 4 minutes to the end) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5c5nSvm3g04 a lot of theories, no proof, nothing on that video or any other I've seen can be called verifiable proof, I could type up some documents and post on some webpage and make up a similar story... other than videos made during the shooting and accounts that there was indeed more than one weapon firing, more than one shooter, there is little else I would say is substantial.
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  GA Andersonposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Ken, if I understand your response to be saying that the post you responded to is nothing more than rubbish, then kudos to you.
  
  I saw several of the "helicopter shooting" videos and articles. They were all nonsensical click-bait links - the type the poster you responded to finds credible.
  
  As to your "who, why,and how many question - multiple sources have illustrated tourist heliocopter tours that matched the video portrayals.
  
  GA
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  Ken Burgessposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Hi GA,
  
  You understood correctly, but I will be happy to spell it out briefly. What we know:
  
  There was a helicopter flying overhead (relatively closely and hovering during the shooting).
  
  There was video evidence posted on YouTube right after the attack, from people who were present during the attack, that showed belt fed automatic weapons fire muzzle flash from a position that was not the location on or near the 32nd floor where all the shooting supposedly took place.
  
  There was sound recording analysis done of videos taken and posted by various people who were at the scene during the attack, the analysis is broken down and explained, and evidence is presented that there were two shooters on the recorded video, and that the weapons fire can be identified as being hundreds of yards apart from one another.
  
  That is what I am convinced of by the 'evidence' made available and/or detailed by people whose experience and efforts seem reliable. There were at least two shooters, there was a helicopter overhead in close proximity, nothing else has enough support, proof, evidence to be considered credible/reliable IMO.
  
  This however IS enough to prove to me that whatever occurred is being hidden and the 'official story' is nothing more than a 'cover story'.
  
  And I'd also note, supposedly some of the witnesses that were present, those that stated there was more than one shooter, have had some bad luck... one couple drove into a tree and their car exploded upon impact killing them, another just up and died at home alone, for whatever those 'reports' are worth.
  
  https://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/las-v … sh-n815741
  
  https://armedforcesweekly.com/las-vegas … ound-dead/
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Mr Buenoposted 7 years ago
Colorfulone, the interesting thing about that poll you quote somewhere up there is that it was from infowars. Now, before we go there, let us accept the fact that infowars relationship with the truth is somewhat more than elastic. I could drop some links in here but there is more than enough evidence out there for you to find that out yourself. If you wanted to.

I also note that you are using Fox and Friends, Hannity and some other obviously partisan nonsense to prove your points. You cannot take any of these 'sources' as representing any kind of truth whatsoever as they have an innate bias in a certain direction. Now, just because other news sources have an innate bias in another direction, does not make your preferred bias correct. Have you ever thought for a moment that they all might be nonsense?

CNN used to host Glenn Beck, after all. Maybe that should have been a red flag some ten years or more ago.

So, let's get to that infowars poll and the fact that you use it as evidence one way or another, flagging you up as an individual that cannot be trusted to quote a reliablle source in any which way. Infowars, and specifically Alex Jones (as some of his team railed at the notion) have been pushing the narrative that Paddock was found with antifa "accoutrement ." Over and over in every broadcast for a week or so Jones pushed this theory, but even after that, only 7% of his audience fell for it. What % of his audience did you fall into?
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  Ken Burgessposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  All owned by a small handful of people who have a clear set of objectives.
  
  People looking for real news no longer get it from the MSM.
  
  WSJ, OAN, RT, AP ... so many options out there for news about real places and real events.
  
  Even for a conservative, the thing about Fox, is that they spend half their time promoting what was said by someone on CNN, these talking heads spend half the time reporting what some other news site said, rather than discussing real events and real news. They feed you pre-programmed chosen and approved garbage.
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Mr Buenoposted 7 years ago
This is your 'news source.'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXbt9gwjZX4
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Mr Buenoposted 7 years ago
Can you post a link to the recent studyJack?

And can you show us how the Trump regime is rolling back the egregious spying on private individuals that means the search for a needle in a haystack carried out by the previous administrations made their search for terrorists so ineffectual?

Here's a start for you https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfr … sm-snowden

Nice segue away from your original question and the thrust of your old argument though. Tried and tested technique. It might fool some of the people some of the time.
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  jackclee lmposted 7 years agoin reply to this
  Here is one reported test -
  http://abcnews.go.com/US/tsa-fails-test … d=51022188
  My original question is that official story about thenshooter does not make any sense.
  In like of new info...it may be terror related...
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Mr Buenoposted 7 years ago
Perfect! First of all, this part of your linked article is interesting, isn't it Jack?......

"Rep. Bill Keating suggested that money is being diverted from the agency (TSA) to build President Trump's promised border wall.

"We have the technology and resources to do it, but we're not doing it because ... we're paying for a wall," Keating said."

Now, how is your post about the shortcomings of the TSA, evidence that the Vegas shooting was a terrorist (and I assume by that you mean ISIS-inspired, or even ISIS-inspired with Antifa help, because that is the nonsense your favourite go-to website for news is pushing) event?

Or are you just pulling lots of muddy threads together for some reason?
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