It is a start in the right direction as I believe.
I believe everyone has a right to life. Everyone!
Thankful for the progress made.
I cannot express how thankful I am, not here.
All Lives Matter!
As open to abortion as a woman's personal choice. About 20 weeks is fair for both sides of the extreme debate.
Well said. It's a solid position for political moderates.
I could live with 20 weeks, though I'd prefer 3 months.
But did you notice the OP? "It is a start in the right direction as I believe.", meaning that the fight will go on - that this is only the beginning of further efforts to ban it completely.
Yes it is a start and so far from murdering a fully formed developed baby as Hillary was so set on having as law! It is unbelievable we have such cold heartless people in our country. I wish the conversation could center on birth control since all these murders are so preventable.
We have the morning after pill and free birth control. Why are so many so set on having dead fetuses? Like we don't all know....except the idiots who help support this money making scam of murderers.
Birth control is not 100% effective and if you’re using it and not expecting to be one of the “failures” you wouldn’t be taking the morning after pill. I personally know multiple women who got pregnant while using the pill or an IUD.
But you’re right, there should be a conversation centred around birth control. Making it easily accessible and educating people on how to use it, because sometimes the intent is there to use birth control and be responsible but they were never actually taught how to use it by a professional.
I read an article this morning about 10 women who were going to have an abortion, but they changed their minds. Yes, women can change their mind at the last minute, they don't have to carry through. Those 10 women were so very happy that they chose life and got to hold their precious little ones in their arms after giving them birth. I cried all the way thought it.
And how much do you care about what happens to that baby once it is born? Pro Life ? How about Pro Whole Life? Then your devotion to life means something.
I have no problem with this so long as the ban is lifted for cases where the mother’s life is danger or when severe abnormalities (that will give the fetus no quality of life or cause them to die painfully shortly after birth) are found at the 20 week ultrasound.
Yes, I agree if mothers life is endangered.
Even though abortion is not against the constitution and it's not specifically addressed the issue in the Bible. Just wrong or vague tranlations of it.
Goverment is not allowed to say what we consume in or take out of our own bodies. It is our own personally property.
Go Kill yourself with food, drugs or whatever. Your an idiot, one less stupid earthling. Better to honestly educate people about life.
This is about religion pushing their beliefs upon our bodies where abortion is already natures law.
Since their is no peace in monolithic religion. Because they are always fighting for it. A middlegrounds helping both sides for now, is 20 weeks. Until we come to our true senses, into the next generation.
What about incest or rape? Other matters that might cause severe emotional distress to the mother as a result of pregnancy or child?
Well, yes that too, so 20 weeks should cover it. If the Goverment would not chock them to death with bureaucrats paper work.
Of course, yes. I was operating under the assumption that generally that’s something that would be discovered before 20 weeks, but I suppose there are probably cases where a woman doesn’t feel safe or secure enough to share the news/do anything about it until later in a pregnancy.
How does being the product of rape or incest change that abortion so it is no longer murdering a living person? Or is it OK to murder if we might suffer emotional distress by allowing that person to live?
Always wondered about the train of thought that says it's not murder only if the child was the product of rape. Just can't understand how that changes that child into a thing, available for disposal at will, from a person with rights.
(Once worked with a man that showed up at work after missing a day - his wife had stomach pains and he took her to the hospital, only to have her give birth. Neither of them knew she was pregnant. So went the story, although I have a REALLY hard time believing it.)
Yuck, I hate the buzz words.
Abortion has never been a black and white issue in my mind though I’ve always thought the decent compromise was to set a point when most women had plenty of time to make a choice, all the while still protecting a fetus that could survive on its own outside the womb. Generally that point is around 24 weeks though I’m okay with 20. It’s a tricky balancing act.
I’ve always thought of the 20 week cutoff as applying more to the less distressing reasons for abortion (like “oh I thought if I had this baby my boyfriend would stay with me but he left anyway so now I don’t want it anymore”). Or, when I had my daughter I was unable to have the gender revealed to me until after the 20 week cutoff because there are some people who terminate pregnancies based on the sex of the child. Not a great reason to terminate a pregnancy at that stage. Like I said, it’s a balancing act. We have to try to navigate what a “fair” reason for termination beyond a certain point may be. I’m sure we all have very different ideas of what that is... but I think at least trying to navigate it is preferable to saying “no abortions period” or “abortions under any and all circumstances period.”
A vast majority of “straight-forward” abortions, as in a woman finds out she’s pregnant and chooses to terminate the pregnancy simply because she doesn’t want a baby, take place well before 20 weeks anyway. The tiny fraction of abortions that take place after that are usually due to some traumatic circumstances surrounding either mother or fetus and whether that’s emotional or physical, I believe a woman and her health care team are capable of making a reasonable decision.
I think you and I could get along very well on the abortion issue. But I DO have a real problem with abortions after the cut-off, whatever it is. Killing a person (for the fetus is now defined as a person) for any reason other than saving another person's life isn't reasonable. Not to me.
It depends on how the cut-off works. There will be cases were continuing the pregnancy will kill the mother.
That would be a very difficult situation and decision to make for women who want to be a mother. I saw a movie years ago where a wife decided to allow the baby to live and her husband supported her decision. He became a single parent. I can't remember the name of the movie. That was hard for me to watch. And, to think that real people have to live that.
Indeed, but I would consider it the right of the woman to decide how much risk to her life she will assume for her child--not to be mandated. A recent case in NZ involved a woman who refused chemotherapy to give her fetus a chance, but ultimately both did not survive.
Yes, 20 to 24 weeks seems to be the safest hope. Although it is one step closer allowing the Goverment to control our bodies. I cant stand christains calling it the world"s greatest gencide.
Finally the reefer madness people are at least dying off. In time, over population of Religious people will die off too. Plus of the over populated unloved will be decided by a more intelligent next generation. Don't get me started on how unfair women are treated in Religion.
Anything for peace.
That would be surrendering to Jesus Christ, and repenting, I believe.
Christains is about the oppitsite of peace I can imagine. Always interfering in our sex/love live. And killing in the name of God than for any other reason. Christains copycat almost everything popular on the market and if you sue them, they will call you anti-faith.
Can"t imagine anything less peaceful than religion.
I was not talking about religion. There is a difference between religion and spirituality. People's lives are often transformed for the better when they come to know Jesus. We can know them by their fruit. Just like I know a lot about you by your words that are not fruitful. Love, kindness, etc. Its away of life and no one ever arrives, but some people actually strive to know Him more, and from my experience it is worth every effort.
Going to church or religion doesn't make anyone a Christian, like going into a garage does not make you a car.
I have a lot of peace in my life, I love having peace and being at peace.
I wrote a song from the last End of the earth party on Christmass eve. It was the highest record sales for alcohol in North America when Christains thought they were goners except they were the chosen ones for heaven?
You better watch out
You better get saved
You better, before it"s too late
Jesus christ is coming to town.
He keeps a big book
Or have you forgot
Tells who is saved and who is not
Jesus Christ is coming to judge.
He knows when you are sleeping
He knows when you’re awake
He knows if you are left or right.
Save your soul and not masterbate.
Ohhh.. You better repent
You better get saved
Before Christmass Day.
Because Jesus Christ is coming to judge.
The trumpets will blowing
Then we will all be knowing
It time, we'll finally be going
Jesus Christ is coming to town.
He knows if you been lying
He knows if your a cheat
He can tells if your gay or not.
So stop, before the heat
Jesus Christ is coming to town.
Wow! You wrote that, that is funny.
Don't worry, Jesus already died for our sins, you are per-forgiven.
For-given, meaning its already been done. But, that doesn't mean we should go on knowingly sinning. What is consider sin to one person is not considered sin to another. If your conscience is clear, and you are not convicted in your heart...your all good.
The song is a standup comedy routine I do as an Elvis impersonator. Displaying the copycat idea. Imagination is the closest thing to Godlike I have ever found.
The pope says hell dose not exist. Dogs go to heaven. Big bang started the universe. Alien are our saviors. Pope believes in evoluton. Like those ideas but they are copycat from other populous ideas.
If the Pope is right and hell dose not exist, then we are all going to heaven anyways, even the abortionist.
Our imaginations enable us to be creative. In the beginning God created...
I don't listen to what Pope Francis says. Catholic scholars and clergy have accused him of heresy. I say its about time, he should be removed.
Can God create a rock so huge he can't pick it up?
Finally a Pope with a brain and you want to get rid of him. Do you perfer the goat herders guild to the Universe.
Are you sore Francis called Trump a non christain.
If you don't know if God can or can't lift up a rock too big for himself. How can you know if God created the Universe?
Ask God in your prays, if he can or can not create a rock too big. Without the assistance of your imagination, colorful.
With imagination I can do anything I desire, can God do that too?.
Let's not forget the chariots of fire.
Ask, Him, yourself.
God will be with you.
Be sober minded.
Sorry, can not join any group that I must protect beyond my own personal ethics and near perfect record of it.
A Religious base is a made up synthetic world and fear. Religion tries to forces me to go against my deeper love for natural enviormental laws. By replaceing it with super natural heros and stealing by copy cat for it"s own populous gain and power . Nature is my Religion and love is my God, nobody can beat that.
You don't me down like many narrow minded Christains.
From a strong disagreement about abortion your thread offers for most of us, a middleground solution for a very difficult topic.
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