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Liberals are far , far more" educated "?

  1. ahorseback profile image81
    ahorsebackposted 6 weeks ago

    I have recently read this and am wondering what your forum responses will be ?
    Anyone ?

    1. wilderness profile image98
      wildernessposted 6 weeks agoin reply to this

      Does "educated" mean formal, classroom, education?  If so, it appears that liberals are somewhat (not "far more") educated than conservatives.

      If it means learning the ability to think and reason, if it means learning to be self sufficient, if it means learning how to support ones self, then I'd have to give the award to conservatives in general.

      1. ptosis profile image82
        ptosisposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

        Education involves the seeking of facts, and learning about what is the truth, and what is not. Indoctrination is aimed at influencing people to believe in facts, without being able to back up these newfound facts with anything but opinion. You can be indoctrinated into a political party, a cult, or a belief system.

        1. wilderness profile image98
          wildernessposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

          A good deal of formal education involves reading books to see what others think and then incorporating those opinions into one's own world view.  My entire college education, outside of the sciences and PE, consisted of this and you're 100% correct; it is indoctrination, not learning how to reason or think.  It IS seeking of facts...but those facts are no more than conclusions/opinions of someone else.

    2. gmwilliams profile image86
      gmwilliamsposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

      I believe that liberals are more educated or least more open minded than conservatives.  Liberals see all sides of the issue.  Also, liberals realize that there are differences which should be accepted.  Conservatives subscribe to the purview that it is their way or no way.  Conservatives are quite uncomfortable, even threatened by differences.  They feel that differences are a threat to their particular world order.   For example, in liberal households, there may be a conservative child which is fine with liberals.  However, in conservative households if there is a liberal or individualistic child, conservative parents browbeat or use other psychological tactics to get their child into the conservative line.

    3. Onusonus profile image79
      Onusonusposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

      Depends on your definition of "educated".
      Gender studies (Rutgers)
      Wasting time on the internet (UP)
      Critical theory and social justice (Occidental),
      Tattoos, piercings and body adornments (Pitzer),
      The sociology of Miley Cyrus (Skidmore),
      Being bored (Brown)

  2. Live to Learn profile image81
    Live to Learnposted 5 weeks ago

    A google search showed multiple articles making conflicting claims. According to one, Pew Research found (in multiple studies) that Republicans were more informed, generally, than Democrats and that subsets (like the Tea Party) tended to be more educated than the whole of either party.

    What, exactly, does this prove? To me, not much. Level of education in one field of study does not indicate a higher ability to make better choices in governance. It might only give one a bit of an edge in topics related to one's chosen profession. I don't think I would necessarily believe someone with a degree in marine biology had a better grasp on subjects like economics, immigration or tax law. Only a fool (or a  person very, very insecure in their ability to give reasoned and rational explanations for their opinions on such topics) would argue otherwise.

    1. GA Anderson profile image82
      GA Andersonposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

      Live to learn, I will carefully step around the edge here, and try not to fall into that lot of fools you mentioned. While I agree with most of your comment, I would offer a thought on its closing.

      I can see the civic exposure involved in getting an advanced education, your marine biologist for example, as also being a bit of a life education. One that might add to the generally informed idea that you attribute to Republicans, (although I again generally agree with that, I would say Conservatives rather than Republicans).

      GA

      1. Live to Learn profile image81
        Live to Learnposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

        This whole conversation is beneath the level of intelligence and maturity of most adults. It's funny because the far left appears to find conservatives to be ignorant, mean spirited and uncaring. The far right appears to believe that most liberals are educated beyond their level of intelligence.

        Wouldn't it be wonderful if, instead of insulting and dismissing the other side, we all attempted to hear each other, understand what factors have brought each of us to our unique conclusions, respect that journey and attempt to find common ground?

  3. ahorseback profile image81
    ahorsebackposted 5 weeks ago

    Let me clarify my post, I read an article saying being Liberally "educated"  means there is far more the chance that liberal ideologies are based on the group mentality .  Ie. An agenda,   a pre- planed and Early education instilled  pattern of intellectual growth. ..... political .."group think".?

    1. VanessaJanes profile image80
      VanessaJanesposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

      This is a political talking point promulgated by powerful people (who, by the way, are highly educated) to cast doubt upon the findings of scientists and other scholars. Their goal is to avoid answering for their actions that contribute to the degradation of the planet and the foundations of culture, economics, and democracy. You are being led around by the nose and don't know it. Maybe you need to read a book or two.  :-)

      1. ahorseback profile image81
        ahorsebackposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

        Essentially the article asked , simply , Why have liberals continue straight  down the road of defeatism with the Clinton campaign born obstructionism   given the total negativity  of that path.    At some point the acceptance of  and the turning away from that defeat  would be the natural path  to walk except , that "group think " is the glue holding them together and the slime keeping them from  progressing .

        Try answering instead of dodging .

        1. VanessaJanes profile image80
          VanessaJanesposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

          I responded directly to your premise by stating it was an invention to justify ignoring or minimizing the results of academic research and scientific findings.  Just because you don't like my answer does not mean I was dodging.

          You are buying into a theory promulgated by rich, well-educated capitalists who want the masses to remain dumbed down, so the powerful can tell them what to think.  You are the one buying into a premise without presenting any real evidence to support it.  I am likewise countering your premise. 

          You don't like it?  Fine. My premise is just as well-supported as yours, i.e., not at all.

          1. Credence2 profile image81
            Credence2posted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

            That sounds a lot like my 'take' on this matter, as well.

            1. GA Anderson profile image82
              GA Andersonposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

              Now hold on Cred, don't interrupt them. It' getting good, and they are both making valid points, albeit the agreement with that validity depends on which side of the fence you are standing on.

              Happily, I find myself confidently standing with one foot on each side of that fence. While I can find agreement with ahorseback's "group think" point, (even if he didn't mention the Right has the same problem), I can also agree with Vanessajanes point of the "promulgated talking point."

              GA

              1. Credence2 profile image81
                Credence2posted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

                Relative to the points of view of conservatives, someone has to be the 'devil's advocate'. This lady was sole in expressing this perspective, just making sure that it was not an isolated one. Do you really think that the rightwing sorts do not have its own form of "group think"? From my perspective the Right is more inlockstep in its thinking beyond that even possible by the left. We on the left are divided between establishment and populism. The Right all acquiesce in the reality of Donald Trump with little daylight to be found in opposition.

                1. ahorseback profile image81
                  ahorsebackposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

                  How does one explain then , The conservative child /adult / person who comes  up through  the  overly - to put it lightly -liberal education system , at least on one side of liberal parenting and THEN becomes or morphs towards conservativism ?

                  I say one perhaps more likely to independent thought .

                  My point here in a less  popular  line of thought is this , of both ideologies  I see liberals as being far more systematically "educated " ,directed , trained and  indoctrinated  from youth  .

                  1. Credence2 profile image81
                    Credence2posted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

                    Following your narrative here, ahorseback, here is another quandary for you.

                    The links I provided are from Forbes magazine, a business publication that can hardly be accused of liberal bias.

                    This is interesting, the among the most educated states


                    #1 Massachusetts
                    Maryland
                    Colorado
                    Connecticut
                    Vermont
                    New Hampshire
                    Virginia
                    Minnesota
                    Washington
                    #10  New jersey

                    The most educated, I would be hard pressed to find any of these with the noted exception of Virginia or Colorado that even considered voting GOP. I mean, it has to be more than just a coincidence, yes? I grew up in Colorado and watched progressivism take the stage moving the state in a clearly different path  from its more conservative neighbors of Kansas and Wyoming. Northern Virginia, in the shadow of the Washington, DC, will put on pressure to squeeze the remaining conservatism out of this state in time.



                    https://www.forbes.com/pictures/eglg45i … 688b61ed1e


                    Click the link below and be introduced to the least educated among the 50 states.

                    https://www.forbes.com/sites/karstenstr … 94f12071be

                    Oklahoma
                    Texas
                    Tennessee
                    Alabama
                    Nevada
                    Kentucky
                    Arkansas
                    Louisiana
                    Mississippi
                    West Virginia

                    Are you seeing a pattern? These states as the best of the worse (Oklahoma) and the worse, West Virginia are all, with the noted exception of Nevada,  rock hard GOP strongholds. We will get Nevada to flip Blue once more of the exodus from Southern California into relatively inexpensive Clark County, Nevada takes its course. Again, is it a coincidence? I doubt it. So if conservatives are so smart why this consistent and continuous pattern?

                    Intelligent people and the GOP brand of conservativism clearly does not mix. You can talk about education indoctrination and such, but the stats do not lie. It is easy to see just who is who....

                2. GA Anderson profile image82
                  GA Andersonposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

                  Yep Credence2, I do think the Right has a similar issue. That's why my comment included; "...  (even if he didn't mention the Right has the same problem)..." But that doesn't mean I don't think ahorseback had a valid point.

                  GA

                3. gmwilliams profile image86
                  gmwilliamsposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

                  In terms of psychological attributes, liberals are more cosmopolitan in scope.  They realize that there is more than one methodology in analyzing beliefs & so-called facts.  They are more discerning.  They also refuse to accept old, outmoded traditions.  They are also nonconformist, even unconventional.   Conservatives accept the status quo, believe in tradition although such traditions are passe and no longer workable.  I am speaking of psychosocial liberalism.   Liberals also try and test new theorems.  They are not afraid of rocking that boat.

                  Conservatives believe in the tried and true.  They lead a very conscripted life.  They are fearful of the new and different.  Some conservative may even contend that anything outside their purview is verboten, even evil.  They want to be safe and go down that narrow, tested path. They are afraid of the modern, more so of postmodernity.  Something about the modern unhinge the conservative mind.  They love the past because it is tried and true, even "more safe" than the present.

                  1. Credence2 profile image81
                    Credence2posted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

                    Noted: one set of values is conducive to a progressing and improved society, the other is not so much.

                    If the Left were anywhere near as cohesive and defensive as the Right, the GOP would not win politically anywhere.

                    As a student of the past, I can say that before the 1960's, the past 'sucked'. Who really wants to go there?

  4. Kathryn L Hill profile image81
    Kathryn L Hillposted 5 weeks ago

    They are educated by each other with these lessons on how to live: No consequences, no taking responsibility for themselves, no thinking ahead and planning for their future/success. No reality, no God. Yes, freedom to abuse freedom of action and freedom of speech. Yes, freedom to express themselves without common courtesy regard of the effects of their behavior on others.
    So, after all this education are they oh, so smart?
    NO.

  5. colorfulone profile image85
    colorfuloneposted 5 weeks ago

    I have looked at some research studies that say the Next Generation (Generation Z) that just voted for there first time in 2016 are largely conservative.  They are also being called “more pragmatic”.  I read a study based on all the chaos these young people have grown up with has had a profound effect on their lives.  Aw, the age of smart phones and computers and a desire to know the facts. 

    Really something to think about the future leaders.
    Trade schools and apprenticeships are on the rise. I like the idea of earning a good income while learning skills for higher paying careers. That is the route to go. The young people are being given an alternative choice, rather than going into deed at indoctrination collages.

  6. Aime F profile image86
    Aime Fposted 5 weeks ago

    Just a theory and I don’t really have anything to back it up, but I wonder if on average liberals are more drawn to formal education and conservatives are more drawn to trades and labour.

    Conservatives tend to pride themselves on putting in hard work and everyone supporting themselves so I wonder if that translates into foregoing thousands of dollars in student debt and sitting in a classroom for 4 years.

    On the flip-side, a lot of the popular degrees are in the social sciences and humanities which are areas that liberals tend to focus on and care about.

    If you look at the literal definition of “conservative” you get: holding to traditional attitudes and values and cautious about change or innovation, typically in relation to politics or religion. Pretty much any subjects outside of math and history are about change and innovation. 

    Likewise if you look at the definition of “liberal”: open to new behavior or opinions and willing to discard traditional values. Which is conducive to attending college/university and expanding knowledge about multiple subjects.

    Anyway, like I said, just a simple thought that I’m sure is terribly boring for you because it doesn’t really fit with your combative narrative but there ya go.

    1. gmwilliams profile image86
      gmwilliamsposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

      This is correct.   Furthermore, the more educated a person is, usually the more liberal he or she is.  Conversely, the less educated a person is, the MORE conservative he or she is.  Conservatives, on average, are less educated than liberals.

      1. ahorseback profile image81
        ahorsebackposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

        Yes , yes , yes ,...... Let's all look at primarily liberally applied  education system "studies" , ie. Harvard , Georgetown ,UCLA , and then determine that yes  "liberals are more intelligent "   .  They sure are .Conservatives  after all , are rednecks , drive jacked up -pick- ups ,hunt , fish and kill neighborly dogs , own lots of primitive weaponry ,  vote with their handgun supporting leaders every time ,they  live in trailer parks  and feed their kids  starchy foods .

        Who is really the most intellectual ?   Those who most instantly categorize all others  upon sight perhaps ?

        Liberal intellectuals ? Aime  , G.M.........Thanks for this , it's very informative. I feel more intelligent already .

        1. Aime F profile image86
          Aime Fposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

          I said nothing about intelligence. I was talking about education. There’s a difference. I don’t think a degree automatically makes a person smarter than someone who doesn’t have one. There are different kinds of intelligence that are measured in different ways and it’s not as simple as having a degree or not.

          I was simply trying to explain why I think liberals may be more educated. Not more intelligent. As I said, I’m not interested in being combative. smile

          1. Kathryn L Hill profile image81
            Kathryn L Hillposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

            education and intelligence usually go hand in hand …. But maybe not anymore.

            1. Aime F profile image86
              Aime Fposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

              College/University education is usually pretty focused. You can probably safely assume that a person is more intelligent than those without a degree in the area of that degree but general intelligence is much bigger than that.

  7. JoanneKristin profile image85
    JoanneKristinposted 5 weeks ago

    It sounds like something a liberal would say.

  8. ahorseback profile image81
    ahorsebackposted 5 weeks ago

    Vermont became a bedroom community for 60's  NY, NJ , Conn, Mass. in 1970 ..... ex hippy's who took over the  legislature and  became a totally liberal enclave .   Legislature now over 80 %  liberal voting , in other words a California wanna-be state ,

    Fact ,  somebody isn't doing their homework , Credence.

    Yea ,.... they claim to be all educated too , Too bad Vermont is a fiscal nightmare for one problem , a welfare state for two and  a health care fiasco .

    I just left that state for good  , see us rednecks aren't so uninformed.

    1. Credence2 profile image81
      Credence2posted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

      How can someplace like Vermont be compared with California? I can't debate you as you lived there and probably have better sense of what is going on. Good progressives of Vermont will say, 'don't let the door hit you in the rump on the way out'.

      Where did you go, did you find your calling in West Virginia? Tell everybody in Hooterville there, hello.
      You've found your element.

      1. ahorseback profile image81
        ahorsebackposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

        Actually no , I moved to California  to change hearts and minds !  We may save that state from itself yet , next on the list ........your state .

        There you go again Credence ,assuming  conservatives are all rednecks ....nice !

        1. wilderness profile image98
          wildernessposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

          I'm sorry for you...

          1. Kathryn L Hill profile image81
            Kathryn L Hillposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

            Oh, they have HUGE plans for us! We need ALL the HELP we can get! Thanks ahorseback!

            http://www.scag.ca.gov/Pages/default.aspx

            1. wilderness profile image98
              wildernessposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

              Well, one day the western coast will be in the ocean, whereupon the radical left of the state will disappear.  Without the two massive metropolitan areas the state will go red instead of blue.

              1. Credence2 profile image81
                Credence2posted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

                If I were you, I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for that....

                1. wilderness profile image98
                  wildernessposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

                  No, me neither.  The San Andreas WILL let go one day, but who knows when?

          2. ahorseback profile image81
            ahorsebackposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

            Actually I would neither move to California  nor try to change it ,  California's liberal ideologies  and those  people who believe them operate outside of America's definition of two party  differences .

            1. ptosis profile image82
              ptosisposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

              WTF, you just said

              What kind of crap is that? I can't tell if
              You are lying about living in CA
              or
              You are lying about not being in CA

              Which is it?

        2. Credence2 profile image81
          Credence2posted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

          Ahorseback, you yourself used the term 'redneck'. Don't go to California all you are going to do is to come down with the case of Blue Flu. California is an impregnable bastion of the left. There are pockets where rightwingers are allowed to live, but they are cloistered and kept away from the civilized populace.

          The State of Florida is purple in the fact the politically laggard parts of the state lie mostly on the panhandle. With the influx of New Yorkers and 'snowbirds' from New England, there is much more 'left' here than what is found among her southern neighbors.

          1. ahorseback profile image81
            ahorsebackposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

            Credence , I may have used the term in describing myself only , in fact I know I have but you have insinuated over and over again  the correlation in conservative to redneck . You can't erase your history here .Apologies or not.

            1. Credence2 profile image81
              Credence2posted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

              I apologized for using the term 'less intelligent' when comparing progressives with conservatives. Yes, based on certain voting pattern and the consistency of where they are found, you proved your own point, "Conservatives are less educated" Less educated means less urbane, less sophisticated, less successful, (it is not hard to show that the GOP red states are found among the union's least successful economically.

              So, who am I going to go with, it will be Massachusetts and Maryland over West Virginia and Mississippi. Not to hard of a choice for me to make, but for the rightwinger/conservative types, not so much. I will not say 'redneck' but lets just say 'less successful'.

              Everything that makes society go, the engineers, scientists and professionals are the people I like to be associated with, not the people that clean up at Walmart. Dale Carnegie mentioned that successful people surround themselves with those that are a model of that success already attained. And don't say I am elitist, It is my objective  to shoot for the stars and not just the stone in the next yard.

              1. ahorseback profile image81
                ahorsebackposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

                Credence , You don't ever have to call yourself an elitist ,   your  written posts speak volumes all by themselves  on that !     When something is implied in every post;   then there it is .

                Credence ,    " I'm sorry  BUT" doesn't very well mean , I'm sorry .

          2. wilderness profile image98
            wildernessposted 5 weeks agoin reply to this

            LOL  California is no different that any other state: the liberals are concentrated in the pockets of concrete jungles, the ant hills in the savannas of modern life.  Outside those enclaves of insanity and madness the free world continues to operate quite well.

  9. colorfulone profile image85
    colorfuloneposted 5 weeks ago

    Some are called.
    They "Count it all joy."
    But, I do get your point.
    I won't want the task.

  10. Live to Learn profile image81
    Live to Learnposted 5 weeks ago

    Saw this video today. Unbelievable. Students are now insisting that education, itself, is racist.This is the direction our 'liberals' are going. I would say the definition of 'educated' is going to diminish considerably if these types get their way.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DZKRz1QXtC4

  11. ahorseback profile image81
    ahorsebackposted 5 weeks ago

    Couldn't have stated that better Wilderness ,  The cities , always the overly populated liberal strongholds , always . A side note or   interesting  observation ,  I have always people watched and have found it amusing to watch city dwellers vacationing in the country - They never seem to really know what to do after they arrive !

  12. Don Bobbitt profile image96
    Don Bobbittposted 5 weeks ago

    Well Said, Wilderness, Well Said!  As sad as it might be, we are becoming products of our environment, it seems.
    As more people migrate into their expensive world of cubicles (called apartments), walk their dog in their small parks, eat in their small diners and are fed the same liberal pablum in their conversations and news outlets, then I guess it makes sense that they no longer realize that other part of America where there are trees, forests, mountains, home-grown foods, and the freedom to use and enjoy each.
    The problem seems to be that the further the cities turn homes into human beehives, and tell the people this is good for them, the communications between Urban and Rural peoples will become more strained.
    DON

  13. ahorseback profile image81
    ahorsebackposted 5 weeks ago

    Thus evolving we are soon to become the "Jetson's ", flying cars ,  cubicle jobs , socialized government will run everything ,  .......I watched a documentary the other night about a man in Nova -Scotia who lived as a hermit in a one room cabin  all through his life while people worked to "normalize " his life , his home , his health and lifestyle .........He ended up dying alone in the woods .

    Must have been a happy man .

 
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