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political language shapes mind paradigms

  1. ptosis profile image72
    ptosisposted 2 months ago

    When you label someone an "illegal alien" or "illegal immigrant" or just plain "illegal," you are effectively saying the individual, as opposed to the actions the person has taken, is unlawful. The terms imply the very existence of an unauthorized migrant in America is criminal.
    The term "illegal immigrant" was first used in 1939 as a slur by the British toward Jews who were fleeing the Nazis and entering Palestine without authorization.

    They should be referred to as "Undocumented"

    1. wilderness profile image96
      wildernessposted 2 months agoin reply to this

      Would "undocumented alien" satisfy your penchant for proper terminology?  Because immigration to the US requires certain documentation, documentation that has not been done. The result is that illegal aliens - citizens of a foreign country that are in the US illegally - are NOT immigrants.

      The idea that a person can somehow be illegal is ridiculous - the (very) obvious conclusion is that it is the actions of that person are illegal.  Personally I expect even a liberal to recognize that simple fact and live with it, but if the terminology offends you then you might come up with something more properly descriptive.  But anything with "immigrant" in it isn't the answer as it describes an action that did not occur.

      1. GA Anderson profile image84
        GA Andersonposted 2 months agoin reply to this

        Well damn! I knew there was a reason I try to stick with illegal alien in these type of discussions. I just hadn't analyzed it from your perspective Wilderness. Makes sense to me.


    2. ahorseback profile image79
      ahorsebackposted 2 months agoin reply to this

      Don't you mean , in YOUR humble opinion  ?  Illegal Immigrant is pretty plain English  , they are immigrants arriving illegally .  Your P.C. problem with that is that it implies that they shouldn't be freely allowed  access to citizenship at any time simply because they are here .

      Ignore the written law all you want , they are still illegals.

      1. ptosis profile image72
        ptosisposted 2 months agoin reply to this

        Ah, you get my point! Excellent!

        By labeling them Illegal Immigrant is to implant in your brain that they are wetbacks!
        Most arrive legally, then the visas run out.
        See how that works. Thank you for understanding.

        45 percent of undocumented immigrants came here on a legal visa, and then overstayed that visa.

        Many of our ancestors didn't actually come here through federal "legal" channels – there weren't restrictive federal immigration laws in place at the time

        "until the 1870's, the federal government did virtually nothing to restrict immigration to the United States. In most cases, immigrants who arrived to the United States in search of work or a new life simply settled in the country and became citizens after a period of time.

        Our country must pass immigration reform laws to ensure the rule of law in the United States, while simultaneously ensuring that the laws that rule are responsive to our economy's demand for labor, rooted in the reunification of family, and respectful of the humanity of the immigrants in our midst. " - http://www.usccb.org/issues-and-action/ … egally.cfm

        1. ahorseback profile image79
          ahorsebackposted 2 months agoin reply to this

          How dare YOU call them wetbacks  ?   Then your article  is done in  prejudice , it's not my response .  If I used a gun in a crime is the gun an illegal gun ? No. I  did the illegal deed , same with crossing the border illegally , the border isn't illegal , I am  . We are in a new era where open borders are a thing of the past , ask Mexico about their southern border , ask Mexico what it takes to immigrate there . 

          Don't like immigration law , work to change them ? Don't like the impending wall ,  turn your attention span elsewhere to another activist cause , that's what liberals usually do . But don't ignore the laws of the land.

          1. ptosis profile image72
            ptosisposted 2 months agoin reply to this

            Obviously, you don't understand. 40% of undocumented people in USA came over in a plane, the visa ran out. they never returned.  Thanks for playing.

            1. ahorseback profile image79
              ahorsebackposted 2 months agoin reply to this

              One thing that I do know , having been around since the beginning of alt-liberals in the sixties ; Is that they bend ,twist , alter and utilize , facts  ,statistics , numbers and history to fit the needs of the present P.C. cause .     So throw all the "statistics " you want , it is  common sense and far more honesty than the new liberals are capable of  that determine what the one truth  is . 

              Take off the rose colored glasses.

              1. ptosis profile image72
                ptosisposted 2 months agoin reply to this

                Is that like alt-white?

                What I do understand is the appeal of untestable beliefs and how they lead to a polarized society.

                The slippery way by which folks deny facts that contradict their beliefs and then reframe the data in untestable ways. This makes potential important facts and science ultimately irrelevant to the issue.

                Individuals, groups, or nations who live in the world of deep denial are practically untouchable by reality or rational argument. They go through their daily lives secure in the knowledge that their self-image is protected against any information, feelings, or awareness that might make them have to change their view of the world. Nothing--not facts, not observable behavior; not the use of reason, logic, or the evidence of their own senses will make them reevaluate that world view.


                82 percent of those who say they supported Trump last year would vote for him again if they had to do it over.

  2. ahorseback profile image79
    ahorsebackposted 2 months ago

    You just can't make any sense in debates can you ?
    Especially without cutting and pasting your Face Book facts -photos.

    1. ptosis profile image72
      ptosisposted 2 months agoin reply to this

      I don't have to make sense when dealing with somebody who says

      97.3% of all statistics are made up. - ahorseback (self-unware)


      1. ahorseback profile image79
        ahorsebackposted 2 months agoin reply to this

        Please notice, for you own enlightenment, the parenthases around  ......"statistics "..........
        That means supposed  statistics .

        Next lesson ?..............