It is official, this latest tax reform demostrates the GOP don't know.

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   jackclee lmposted 6 years ago

   They just don't know how to govern and they don't know how to act like a majority party...
   It is sad for me, as a conservative, how the GOP party has been so corrupted by RINO that it is dysfuctional...
   Why do have elections if nothing changes?
   What are these senators doing? Don't they realize they are a joke and no one trust them or believe them any more.
   I see these politicians on TV being interviewed and I say to my self, what are you doing? What are you saying? I just had to turn the channel...too frustrated by their BS.

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      ahorsebackposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      There are too many people on both sides in Washington maneuvering to protect and  keep their jobs ,spending entire careers  dodging even any bi-partisan attempts to clean it up .  All of the big names there are equally as guilty as the newest .

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      Credence2posted 6 years agoin reply to this

      Trump's agenda must never see the light of day,  the disunity of your own political party will be the instrument of his destruction.

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         jackclee lmposted 6 years agoin reply to this

         How so? Many RINO are not running...
         The party is broken from within because of the insiders, not because of Trump.
         You never liked the GOP in your life, my guess, why do you think they will bring down Trump?
         If anything, Trump will bring down the GOP leadeship. Ot is about time, we the people gets heard.

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            colorfuloneposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            I would think the RINO's would be over-joyed, they are making a killing in the stock market right now.  It just shows the two party duopoly.  Its not about the money anymore, its about the power...they want the power they once had back again.  IMO.

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      Misfit Chickposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      It is why nothing ever changes... I keep telling you, Jack. You have it in your head that everything is ALL the fault of 'the left', when it is ALL the fault of BOTH political parties - because they both work for the same deep state government that has control of everything.
      
      We are all fighting as intently as we are because they have intentionally stoked ancient fires designed to divide us and keep us fighting. Because when we are fighting over ridiculous crap, we are not paying attention to the agendas they are actually trying to carry out.
      
      The shadow government doesn't WANT anything to change - maintaining the status quo is what makes them the richest. Handing world governments over the 'the people' is NOT condusive to their goals - bringing us to the point of BEGGING for a military state, is their goal. If you think Trump et all are on the side of 'setting us free' with the way he incites these ancient divisions - you're fooling yourself.
      
      Division is their only goal - didn't matter who ended up in that office.
      
      One of these days you might 'get' this, Jack; and if you don't, it won't be because you haven't been informed several times... Diversify your media sources if you just can't stay away from the media. Get your brain out of the RUT that it is in; because AGAIN... 'the left' or liberals or progressives or centrists or whoever you want to blame - are NOT your enemy.
      
      This isn't the first time you've complained about the GOP since Trump has been in office. I hope it is becoming more clear to you now that they are NOT in control - no party is, they both work for the same people; and it isn't us. Trump isn't in control, either, for those of you who are counting on him 'fixing' the government.
      
      At the moment, he is being a very cooperative, divisive component for 'change'. Stop helping them divide us as much as you possibly can, Jack. Surely, you can find something much less productive to occupy your time?

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         jackclee lmposted 6 years agoin reply to this

         Thanks for your advice. I have plenty of things that keep me busy. It does not stop me from commenting on current political sutuation.
         The media is part of the problem but not Fox news. I think recent revelations have vindicated Fox news who has been reporting on the DNC and all their shenanigans...
         My news sources are varied and includes fox news, talk radio and various websites...
         So far, they have served me well and kept me informed on what is really happening. Unlike the NYT and CNN, MSNBC...they have no credibility with me.

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            Misfit Chickposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            This is absolutely your main problem, Jack: "The media is part of the problem but not Fox news"
            
            How can you be so blind to not see how so many like you have been so manipulated? Fox News et all manipulates their 'conservative' audiences; JUST like MSN, CNN, etc., manipulates lefties & moderates, etc.
            
            I honestly wonder if you are even CAPABLE of processing the information in my post. What part of being molded into an extremist to fight for the agenda of the deep state do you not understand?
            
            Fox hasn't 'served you so far' NOR 'kept you informed'... What they have done is presented you with stories in a way that fascinates you.
            
            It is no different than what 'left news' does to their non-conservative audiences.
            
            "It does not stop me from commenting on current political sutuation."
            
            If you had the current 'political situation' in perspective - that is what you would be doing: commenting on it. But since you DON'T have things in perspective (and seem to be really confused about the agenda of the deep state)... what do you think you ARE accomplishing?

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      GA Andersonposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      jackclee, with your constant reference to RINOs, is it possible that you are missing the point - being constantly illustrated -  that the fundamentalist's conservative values are not the values of today's conservative America?
      
      Surely you don't see Pres. Trump as a fundamentalist conservative? Yet you defend his actions , all the while complaining about non-fundamentalist conservative direction.
      
      I am not making light of your values, I am just proposing that today's conservatives are not as fundamentalist as you seem to perceive them to be. I think it would be a good thing if the GOP recognized this and moderated a few of its more extreme positions.
      
      I think conservative America is crying out for a standard bearer, and the Freedom Caucuses of the Conservative movement are not the answer we are seeking.
      
      GA

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         jackclee lmposted 6 years agoin reply to this

         What extreme positions? Conservative positions are what makes this country great.
         I agree Trump is not a conservative and never claim to be. However, most of his policies and proposals are conservative. The fact that some GOP leaders don't embrace them is what frustrates me. They rather attack Cruz and the TEA party then go along with these policies...which if they did, they and the party would be much better off. Their dishonesty is what drives me nuts. Why they run every election on conservative values and then once elected or reelected, they go about doing just the opposite.

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            jackclee lmposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            Btw, here is an article I wrote a while back about conservative beliefs...
            
            "You can find it by searching - "Extreme-Conservative-Beliefs"

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            colorfuloneposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            To understand Trump ... the best way is to read, The Art Of The Deal.

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            Misfit Chickposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            Conservative positions are only ONE of the things that make this country great... Liberal positions, and every other position in between the two 'extremes' - are as valuable for the exact same reasons: the Tower of Babel truth - diversity is what makes the world go 'round AND it is what makes today's blended societies across our globe, strong. The reason why it makes us strong is because any & every 'position' or opinion can be justified using logic. That is the power of logic - and its flaw.
            
            As such, we can no longer use logic to justify our many, diverse positions... We have to rely ONLY on our intuition, which is something very few of us are capable of tapping into. It is what humanity is currently in the process of developing futher into a more recognizable & clearer naturally-evolved ability.
            
            Thus, all the chaos. Of course, this isn't our first ' lesson in development' for that; but it IS among the last ones. At some point, some of us will start (and have already begun) to 'graduate' into a much more atuned state of being. Those of us who do not, will simply 'start over again'.
            
            However, humanity is not quite there, yet.
            
            You can tell that Fox News IS as much a part of chaotic media propaganda as any other news source SIMPLY because it has not been 'shut up', yet. It has been allowed to contribute to the chaos for decades. Anything that works in favor of the deep state is allowed to continue to exist; and in Fox's case, granted additional resources and AMPLIFIED - because they are so affective at gripping the minds of their audience.
            
            Fox has been the leader in utilizing & perfecting mass media manipulation; and it has taught every other slanted source everything they know. It is a beacon for the deep state - as much as any other outlet.
            
            The deep state controls absolutely everything, even Fox News. For as long as they have been around, how do you reason that it has remained unaffected, Jack? If you think anyone - including Trump - is getting away with ANYTHING, you're grossly mistaken; AND a participant on the side of 'evil'. (*I* don't beLIEve in evil, Jack - I know you do, though LoL!)
            
            If anyone wants to know what is ACTUALLY going on... good & evil aside... scroll ALL the long way down to the last 5 [short] sections (at 'Final, Potential Truths (even about aliens) from a Different Perspective') in my 1st spotlight article, titled - Christians & ex-Christians Prove God Exists by Debunking Salvation: Science & Spirituality Reveal the Real Jesus Christ.
            
            You might need more 'sections' beyond that for more context; but that hub is jam-packed throughout with far more 'future truths' than I intended to include within it when it was originally written a couple years ago - and those particular 'ending' sections probably explain things in the smallest nutshell I can think of, ha! They include some of the best videos about DEATH and what this life is all about that you will ever listen to.
            
            
            
            
            
            
            
            
            
            
            
            
            
            

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               Misfit Chickposted 6 years agoin reply to this

               Religions being a means of control is the one most people have the hardest time with... That doesn't mean that 'religions mean nothing' - cuz they certainly never started out to become such ugly tools of manipulation. They have been taken, reworked, used and perverted towards the goals of the worldwide shadow government. Its time to take EVERYTHING back and get them into perspective - not just our governments & media, etc. Religions too.

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                  jackclee lmposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                  I disagree with your cynical view on religion. Religion is necessary for humans just as air and water and food. We are spiritual beings and were created by God to have a yearning.
                  
                  I also don't buy into your all views are equal...BS. There are absolute truths and some policies and principles are better thsn others...
                  Just for example, our democracy is superior to a dictstorship.
                  Our economic sustem of free enterprise is superior to Socialism or communism...
                  Our believe in self reliance is superior to some who thinks big government should take care of all...
                  These are just a few fundamental principles thst have a good and bad consequences. Don't you agree?
                  
                  As such, when it comes to media and reporting, there is also good and bad element. Some will use the media to advance an agrnda, some will report the facts...
                  
                  I agree there is a power behind the curtain that are pulling the strings for the most part. They are the money behind political campaigns. They are the one that hand picked Barack Obama to be the President of the US, with very thin resume.
                  However, they don't control everything. They cannot control nature and they cannot control God. God has the master plan and it has played out for over 2000 years. It will end when he decides this will end.

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            GA Andersonposted 6 years agoin reply to this

            Hi jackclee, to offer the specifics you ask for would only lead us into a 'tis and tis not' sparring match. I only ask that you consider the concept of my response.
            
            I think you are partly right about our conservative concepts helping to make our country great, but I would qualify that with the caveat that it is the progressive concepts of Liberals pushing those conservative ideals that have really made us great.
            
            Consider just one example. Where do you think our senior population would be today without Social Security? What about racial, ethnic, and the taboo one, (sexual), discrimination? Women's Rights? Where would they be today if progressive concepts hadn't pushed your/our conservative principles?
            
            As to political dishonesty driving you nuts - I am right there with you on that one.
            
            GA

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               jackclee lmposted 6 years agoin reply to this

               As a conservative, I recognize the benefits of social security and medicare which are not conservative principles and in fact not in our Constitution.
               It is hard to imagine a scenario where an alternative conservative solution could be competitive with current policies. It is hard to compete when the governement offer somethings for free...
               
               However, let me give it a try anyway.
               Instead of a social security system for our retirement, what if we had a private based solution. Let the individual be more responsible for their own financial well being.
               A private account which the government cannot touch. It can be invested by the individual over his life time of work and then when he or she retires, they can be used to fund the rest of their lives in retirement.
               Guess what, we already have something like it. It is called an IRA. It can be argued that IRA is better than social security. That is to say, a dollar invested in an IRA will get better return over the long term. The most important aspect, is the the IRA is fully funded where as our social security system is a pyramid scheme run by our government. It requires periodic adjustments else it will go broke.
               
               I can make the case for a number of progressive policies that has put out nation in debt for 20 trillion dollars.
               I am not saying government has no role in keeping our society running smoothly. We can have a limited government who takes care of the chronically sick, and disabled and people in need...without taking over our whole lives. It was called a safety net for the very bottom of society that cannot help them selves. We are a compassionate society and we will take care the needy. But we are a long way from that in today's entitlement thinking.

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                  colorfuloneposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                  +1
                  We need to rescue children from pedophiles first and foremost. It is epidemic and not widely spread by MSM. They know it.  An industry.  Off shore accounts, money laundering. Human trafficking. And the unimaginable. Yet, we have seen it portrait-ed by Hellywood and MSM.

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                  GA Andersonposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                  Thanks for your response jackclee. To pursue the point I am trying to make, allow me to confine my response to the your Social Security comment.
                  
                  I feel confident you are as aware of the failings of human nature, and the need to put food on the table,  as I am, so, to your point about the benefits of a private social security option - free of governmental intrusion, I have to ask what portion you think the majority of normal every-day pay-check-to-paycheck folks, ( of which I was a member), would have been dedicated retirement plan contributors?
                  
                  Of course that was a leading question, because I think very few of those folks would have been  religiously tucking away their retirement money, when they were struggling to come up with $20 bucks for Sunday's family dinner - or a dozen other immediate family needs.
                  
                  I think that more than half of America's seniors that have aged out of the labor force would be destitute without their Social Security income. Of course I am basing that thought on my own small world of acquaintances and friends - not a very scientific study, but nothing in my small world contradicts that thought. Am I just seeing to small a part of the bigger picture? Does your world of acquaintances offer a different scenario? And if so, would your world of 'successful' acquaintances show that "my world" is the minority of "retired" wage earners?
                  
                  Is it your thought that those that weren't disciplined enough to maintain their own retirement plans are just a tiny portion of today's, (and yesterday's), aged-out work force? If not, what do you think our homeless problem would look like without our government  Social Security income?
                  
                  GA

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                     wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                     May I jump in?  What percentage would religiously contribute to their own retirement account - the same percentage as pays FICA taxes...if it was forced upon them the way taxes are.
                     
                     I built a spreadsheet once, taking figures from the SS report furnished periodically and making different interest projections.  The amount of money that can be accumulated just by contributing those FICA taxes (doubled to account for employer contributions as well) is astounding.

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                        GA Andersonposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                        Well, if you are going to jump in bud, at least jump in on the point of the discussion. I wholly agree with the benefits of a private system vs. our government's Social Security system. That wasn't the point.
                        
                        The point was how many pay-check-to-paycheck folks would have maintained  their retirement, (FICA), contributions if they were't mandated. Which is the point I took jackclee's comment to be.
                        
                        That famous "Galveston' privatized social security program validates your spreadsheet calculations, but the point was about a liberal perspective that pushed the creation of a mandatory social security program - not whether the government program was better than a private one.
                        
                        Do you disagree with my perception that without some sort of mandate, a majority of our 'retired' senior citizen population would be destitute - without any source of income, regardless of who's fault it was?
                        
                        Even as I am in general agreement with your "personal responsibility" mantra, I still cannot deny the magnitude of social costs and personal suffering that would result from the lack of our mandated Social Security program. Can you?
                        
                        GA

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                           wildernessposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                           Oh I agree that most people would not maintain a retirement account!  Which is why I added "...if it was forced upon them the way taxes are."  Either we force contributions somehow (payroll deduction?  Tax requirement, with those taxes involuntarily added to the account?) or few people would amass the money needed for old age.
                           
                           And even if they did amass it, there will still be a few that incur massive expenses that deplete their account to the point the taxpayers still have to take over, just as done now.

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                              GA Andersonposted 6 years agoin reply to this

                              I did notice your "... if forced ..." part, and it is just that mandate which Progressives forced Conservatives to accept. And that was my point. We have needed Progressives in our governmental history - to become a better nation, just as much as they have needed Conservative's philosophies to keep our nation from following some of the more damaging socialist paths we see in other nations.
                              
                              GA

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      colorfuloneposted 6 years agoin reply to this

      I listen to Pat Robinson to get his news.  They talked about the Republican tax plan and were quite pleased with it, especially the part that state and local taxes won't be deductible at the federal level anymore.  The Dems don't want it because they control the highest taxed states.  Seems the rest of us have had our tax dollars help relieve the hit on the big tax states.  The states will just have to do something to reduce their tax levels because they won't be able to take advantage of the federal level.
      
      I had heard that before somewhere.
      
      Added:  Looks like cutting fat and over payments to the Medicare program would start immediately!
      *  https://twitter.com/TopherSpiro/status/ … 0406231040

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