Why Liberals Hate Conservatives even more than ISIS?

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  1. jackclee lm profile image82
    jackclee lmposted 11 months ago

    A personal analysis of the current state of the Democratic party which has been taken over by extreme liberal progressives like Elizabeth Warren...
    They demonize Conservatives and mock them and spew lies about them.
    They say conservatives are dumb, bigoted and selfish and even evil...as they understood evil to be.
    They believe Conservatives are backwards and racist and even want to starve children, push grandma over a cliff...
    Here is the real reason they hate conservatives.
    They fear that once people found out the truth about conservative principles, and how it works, they will be marginalized. Their survival as a party is at stake.
    Who would not do anything to safe themselves? Including lie and cheat and spew false news...

    It is a perfectly predictable response to a new age of conservatives. We are winning in the arena of ideas. That scares the hell out of liberals.

    1. Credence2 profile image80
      Credence2posted 11 months agoin reply to this

      "A personal analysis of the current state of the Democratic party which has been taken over by extreme liberal progressives like Elizabeth Warren...
      They demonize Conservatives and mock them and spew lies about them.
      They say conservatives are dumb, bigoted and selfish and even evil...as they understood evil to be.
      They believe Conservatives are backwards and racist and even want to starve children, push grandma over a cliff..".

      Well, Jack as they say, 'if the shoe fits'...
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      Here is the real reason they hate conservatives.
      They fear that once people found out the truth about conservative principles, and how it works, they will be marginalized. Their survival as a party is at stake.

      You have had more than 50 years, at least since Barry Goldwater, to the promote "the truth" about conservative principles and all that rot, but after all this time it is still considered by progressives as just so much BS.

      2018 will reveal which party is going to be in the crosshairs, I anxiously await the midterms and the referendum on Trump and his GOP. When it is all said and done, the good Democrat progressives will be standing, will you and your folks be able to say the same?
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      Who would not do anything to safe themselves? Including lie and cheat and spew false news...

      It is a perfectly predictable response to a new age of conservatives. We are winning in the arena of ideas. That scares the hell out of liberals.

      Like musician said, "meet the new boss, same as the old boss". So much for your 'new age of conservatives'.

      Your winning, yeah, you are doing a lot of damage to our fists with your nose? right...
      I just can't wait to see the rightwinger GOP type get 'butthurt' in the coming election cycle.
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  2. Aime F profile image84
    Aime Fposted 11 months ago

    You’re doing the exact same thing you’re accusing liberals of doing right now by making such a ridiculous claim.

    Once again I do not expect you to see the hypocrisy. This is becoming a pattern with you, Jack.

    To attempt to address the topic seriously, I’ll say that I don’t believe any liberal hates conservatives more than ISIS. One is an extreme terrorist group that, while an ever present threat, doesn’t actually touch each of our day-to-day lives most of the time (at least not here in the west). The other is a political group whose ideals and principles are pervasive and often affect multiple aspects of our lives daily. Can you maybe understand why one gets talked about more frequently than the other?

    But that doesn’t mean that we hate conservatives at all, let alone more than terrorists. You really don’t see how silly that sounds? Your post also said nothing about why you’re making the comparison in the first place so I feel like you’re being dramatic just for the sake of it.

    1. jackclee lm profile image82
      jackclee lmposted 11 months agoin reply to this

      Really? Have you been following the news?
      Here is one example and there are many...
      http://www.newsweek.com/2016/02/12/righ … 22743.html
      You need to pay more attention to what your trusted media is saying and your own politicians...
      By the way, I put some GOP leaders in the same boat as Liberal democrats, they are called RINOs.
      Republicans in name only.

      1. Aime F profile image84
        Aime Fposted 11 months agoin reply to this

        Ah, so you think right-wing extremists and conservatives are all the same? Something tells me most conservatives would have a problem with that...

        Are you arguing that one kind of extremist is preferable to another? Specifically, are you arguing in defence of right-wing extremists?

      2. jackclee lm profile image82
        jackclee lmposted 11 months agoin reply to this

        Here is another -
        http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/14/politics/ … index.html
        This is official Government policy under Obama DOJ...

        1. Aime F profile image84
          Aime Fposted 11 months agoin reply to this

          I genuinely don’t understand what your issue is with this. You don’t think it makes sense to put more focus on domestic terrorism when it poses a greater threat to your citizens? It seems that you’re implying domestic terrorists are somehow better than international terrorists and I am quite confused.

          1. jackclee lm profile image82
            jackclee lmposted 11 months agoin reply to this

            You are missing the point. In the eyes of some liberals, domestic conservatives pose more threat to their way of thinking than ISIS. Remember, it was Obama who called it the JV team...and he was wrong of course...it took Trump to decimate ISIS in one year while Obama allowed it to spread over his administration. I don’t thiink he did it on purpose, just the way he sees the world. He thinks we are to live with a small amount of casulties when it comes to Islamic terrorism. On the domestic front, he sees the conservatives as a threat to their power. That was the basis behind the IRS scandal to go after conservative groups, the TEA party...
            by the way did you know what the TEA party stood for?
            Tax Enough Already...
            It had nothing to do with race or politics but was a grass root economic movement. They were demonized harshly by the media...and you probably believed them.

            1. Shogun profile image45
              Shogunposted 11 months agoin reply to this

              Blah, blah, blah.

              This vile "us vs. them" mentality is the exact reason the GOP has a POTUS that they can't keep control of - and why the Dems put Clinton up as the candidate. The bickering BS needs to quiet down so actual discussions can happen.

              But that won't happen for a while anyway. #MAGA, the mainstream press that we attack daily, doesn't like us, etc. etc.

              1. jackclee lm profile image82
                jackclee lmposted 11 months agoin reply to this

                I will be happy to discuss any issue you have in mind. Just don’t give me this crap about both side does it...
                It has been the left who has been attacking Conservatives and we are just standing up for our principles.
                It is hard to get the message out when they have labeled us as racist bigots...
                Do you know any conservatives personally?

            2. Aime F profile image84
              Aime Fposted 11 months agoin reply to this

              I’m missing the point because it makes no sense. I don’t give a flying squirrel if a terrorist has the same political affiliation or religion or whatever as I do - a terrorist is a terrorist. If a majority of the terrorism in your county is carried out by domestic terrorists then it is a fact that they pose more of an immediate threat to you than ISIS, not a personal opinion. Again I feel the need to point out that there’s a huge difference between “domestic conservatives” and the “domestic right-wing extremists” in the articles you’re linking to.

              Please explain to me how Trump has “decimated” ISIS. Be careful, I’ll be fact-checking anything you say as I know I cannot take you at your word anymore.

              1. jackclee lm profile image82
                jackclee lmposted 11 months agoin reply to this

                As you seems to do, you are confusing you personally with the party you associated with. I am pointing out what your party stands for which you may not agree with but just are not paying attention.
                Here is story about ISIS that your side is not reporting on..
                http://www.foxnews.com/world/2017/12/08 … tters.html

                I know how you dislike Fox news but then again where are you going to learn this stuff...not the NYT...

                1. Aime F profile image84
                  Aime Fposted 11 months agoin reply to this

                  No, because the articles that you’re linking to still say nothing about any liberals hating conservatives more than ISIS.

                  They say that domestic alt-right terrorists pose a bigger threat to your country than ISIS. Do you disagree? Are you offended by that specification because you somehow relate to them? I hope not.

                  http://www.cnn.com/2017/10/18/opinions/ … index.html

                  I know how you dislike CNN but then again where are you going to learn this stuff... not Fox News...

                  1. jackclee lm profile image82
                    jackclee lmposted 11 months agoin reply to this

                    I don’t think domestic terrorists are more of a threat. Facts agree with me, most recent terrorists act around the globe and in the US are conducted by ISIS sympathizers. That is a fact with numbers and and death counts.
                    The fact that our own country thinks conservative groups are more dangerous should tell you where they are at?  I am not a sympathizer with these groups but I can see why they are in fear of our government. These groups are a small fringe just like the white supremist groups KKK. Recent events have made this a controversy where they should have been just ignored.
                    Instead, the left media, went out searching for these groups and put them on national tv to imply that we are still a racist nation...

        2. GA Anderson profile image84
          GA Andersonposted 11 months agoin reply to this

          Geesh jackclee! You speak of facts as your supporting strength, yet the fact that the DOJ recognizes that domestic terrorists carry-out almost three times more attacks than foreign-cause terrorists is proof of their Liberal bias. Geesh.

          jackclee, the door is wide open for you. I only spent about five minutes finding support for that "three times more..." claim. It is possible that I didn't dig deep enough and you really can provide facts to support your contentions. Can you?

          GA

      3. GA Anderson profile image84
        GA Andersonposted 11 months agoin reply to this

        Hi jackclee, I have followed your and Aime's, (*chuckle...), exchanges, and just can't resist jumping in with my two-cents on your premise.

        Regretfully, sometimes a point needs to be made so starkly that offering other considerations just won't get the job done.

        From my perspective you have destroyed your own OP's credibility with the supporting evidence you offered. How can you possibly consider Conservative Extremist groups to be representative of the Conservative American you claim to be speaking for, (and one of)?

        You say Liberals hate Conservatives, (like yourself), more than ISIS, and then try to support that with stories about Conservative Extremist groups.  That's just nuts. As a self-proclaimed Conservative, do you support the ideology and actions of the two men in your first supportive link?

        I think I recall you frequently admonishing "Liberals" to check things out. To this I would also offer that you should remember that Google can be your friend too!

        You will find that since 9/11, (the starting point for most comparisons), almost 3/4 of terrorist/terrorism attacks have been by Extreme Right Conservative Extremists. You will also find the death toll to be almost equal, with foreign-cause terrorism deaths winning by only a nose. A far cry from your declaration that:

        " ... most recent terrorists act around the globe and in the US are conducted by ISIS sympathizers...."


        But wait... Your OP was dealing with American Conservatives, so my comment is about the U.S. attacks - not the global ones. If the Conservative Extremists carried out almost three times as many attacks as foreign-cause Extremists - on American soil, then you sound like you are saying they aren't as dangerous as the 'foreigners' because they caused about a dozen or so less deaths.

        You said; "I don’t think domestic terrorists are more of a threat..."

        The fact that you are three times more likely to be affected by a domestic terrorist attack isn't important? jackclee, your responses really do convey the impression that you think those "domestic terrorists" aren't any different from the rest of Conservative America. Well, that doesn't leave me speechless, but it did cause my ty-ty-ty-ping fingers to stutter.

        You frequently promote your hubs as validating research for the points you make... well, do you have one that validates your declaration that Alt-Right Conservative Extremists are representative of what you infer to be Conservative Americans?

        I have heard it said, (mostly by 'Liberals'),  that most of what Candidate, and President Trump, said and  says, is unacceptable hyperbole; with an ounce of fact and a pound of exaggeration, is that what you are doing to make your point? If so, it isn't working for me.

        GA

        1. jackclee lm profile image82
          jackclee lmposted 11 months agoin reply to this

          Just as there are shades of liberalism, there are also many shades of conservatism. Unfortunately, in our modern day short attention span, people are grouped into these categories as a simple label.
          I do not support any extremist groups of all persuations, conservatives that bomb abortion clinics and liberal environmentalist that bomb new construction homes...
          The media is as guilty by grouping people like me with people cited in those articles.
          That is the great deception. When the media talk about the GOP, they invariably refer to them as conservative extremists...where as we all know that many GOP leaders and not conservative and even attack conservative senators such ss Ted Cruz...
          My point in raising this forum is that people who knows conservatives only theough the media are grossly misinformed, They see conservatives as the standard streotype, of white, uneducated, middle of the country, bigoted, religious nut. That is why they hate conservatives more than ISIS.

          I on the other hand is non of that yet I am a proud conservative. Go figure...

          1. Aime F profile image84
            Aime Fposted 11 months agoin reply to this

            Okay, earlier you asked someone if they knew any conservatives personally and I kinda scratched my head but now you’re suggesting that people only know conservatives through the media... and once again I am very confused.

            Are you under the impression that liberals have some supernatural ability to know who’s a conservative and refuse to engage them? Or do you think that conservatives are super rare so we don’t have many chances to see them in the real world? (I’m picturing a bunch of liberals out on a boat on a conservative-watching tour getting all excited when a conservative swims by. “Oh my goodness I can’t believe we actually saw one! Ma, I saw a real life conservative!” *everyone frantically snapping photos of the wild conservative in its natural habitat*)

          2. GA Anderson profile image84
            GA Andersonposted 11 months agoin reply to this

            jackclee, there is a lot I agree with in your response. It should have been your OP, and you should have left the supporting links you used to the media you are lambasting. It would have been a much more credible start.

            GA

        2. Aime F profile image84
          Aime Fposted 11 months agoin reply to this

          *high five*

  3. PrettyPanther profile image85
    PrettyPantherposted 11 months ago

    I stayed away from this thread because I thought the premise was so flawed and absurd that it would be a waste of time. Now that GA and Aime have done the hard work.....

    I will say this. Jack says liberals lump all conservatives together as "uneducated, middle of the country, bigoted, religious nuts."

    I will say there is an element of truth to that and here is why. Jack, you yourself are opposed to legalizing gay marriage and you cite religion as your basis. To me, a liberal, you believe it is acceptable to legislate your religious views onto the rest of the country. You say you are a conservative and not a "religious but job" yet you hold a position that would force your religious views on the rest of us.

    That is just one example. I could cite conservative support of a president who makes racist comments, repeatedly and over a long period of time, as tacit acceptance of racism.

    To clarify, I don't believe all conservatives are racists or religious but jobs However, conservatives will often "tolerate" those types and align with them politically. After all, those types are far more likely to vote GOP.

    So, I do understand how you might see us stereotyping you, but you could also look in the mirror and ask yourself if you are not actually helping to perpetuate, or at last not quash, some of the less desirable elements of the right.

    By the way, I think the same equivocating sometimes happens among liberals, though I admit my bias  makes it difficult for me to come up with an example. I'll keep thinking on that. big_smile

    1. PrettyPanther profile image85
      PrettyPantherposted 11 months agoin reply to this

      Excuse me, I really didn't intend to say "but jobs,"  If I'd meant it, I would have said, "butt jobs.  big_smile

      1. wilderness profile image99
        wildernessposted 11 months agoin reply to this

        I caught that, but didn't say anything.  Too funny to get corrected.big_smile

        For the most part I agree with what you say and will even expand on it.  Most conservatives live in the "middle of the country"; the coastal areas are where the majority of large population centers are and they're all liberal, making the average square mile of coastal areas liberal and the center of the nation conservative..  And stats show conservatives don't have as much (formal) education.  I'd even agree that there are more "religious nuts" in the conservative crowd than liberals harbor - they have their own nuts, but not so much religious ones.

        But "a president who makes racist comments, repeatedly and over a long period of time"?  A small handful, yes, that were quickly rescinded.  More like statements that could, if taken out of context and spun a bit, be taken as racist but were never meant that way.  Kind of "equivocating", in an opposite sort of way...smile

 
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