Are right-wing extremists destroying America?
- promisemposted 8 years ago
0Well, yes. The answer is obvious.
1) They oppose background checks and other gun laws so mentally unstable people can buy assault rifles and commit mass murders like in Orlando and Connecticut.
2) They favor multi trillion dollar wars chasing weapons of mass destruction that don't exist instead of spending the money on schools, roads and bridges. It doesn't matter if thousands of young American soldiers die for nothing.
3) They strip away financial regulations that lead to a massive economic downturn and nearly to a world-wide economic collapse. The CEOs who triggered the collapse get away without a scratch thanks to their massive campaign contributions and the likes of Citizens United.
4) They vehemently hate the president who led us out of the Great Recession. They hate him because he is a "Muslim", "Communist", "foreign-born radical trying to corrupt America", blah, blah, blah.
5) They vehemently hate all media except for Fox News, which is the worst propaganda machine and hate spreader this country has seen in decades. They would love nothing better than to shut down every media outlet except their own.
6) They have armed themselves to the teeth and use threats and intimidation to get their way with politicians, such as the annual, heavily armed visit to Virginia politicans by the Virginia Citizens Defense League.
7) They think global warming is a hoax because Fox News told them it was a hoax and despite worldwide proof that it exists.
8) They don't mind that the Koch brothers are spending more than $800 million to buy this election, destroy democracy and replace it with an oligarchy of Libertarian multibillionaires who control everything.
9) They blindly follow a mentally unstable Donald Trump, who is using all of the same tactics as many other divisive dictators throughout history.
People, do you really want a country controlled by a minority that is heavily armed, enormously wealthy and completely hostile to everything in the Constitution except for the 2nd Amendment?Do, I offer you a Pulitzer?
1. Yes, guns to be easier to get than my Big Mac, but yet they blame the natural outcome of carnage of Obama?
2. The paranoid, martial attitude of the Right, who mired in 20th century thinking, speak softly and carry a big stick. In the progress of nations' in the 21st century, to be great takes more than just 'big sticks'
3. Yes, right, get rid of the referees so that the cheaters are free to operate with impunity and without the possiblility of ever being held accountable for their actions.
4. While the President was digging us out of the pile of excrement that they turned the economy into, they did everything they could to ruin the President's implements to do the job. They all seem to conveniently forget that Bin Laden was taken out during Obama's watch. Funny, how he receives no credit for it.
5. Even worse is the trash journalism known as 'infowars and WND'.
6. This stuff makes me nervous, the rightwinger is intrinsically authoritarian and anti-democratic. How many more defeats as the outcome of the natural political process would they tolerate before going to 'bullets over ballots'?
7. It is only the Rightwinger that denies evidence from 99 climate scientists, and says that the one from Sarah Palin or Ann Coulter has nailed it.
8. The Right has always known that they could never institute their objectives under the current democratic system. The achilles heel in their plan is that people have the right to vote, so they must sabotage this. This will allow their idea of 'buying elections' to have more success.
9. Donald Trump is the reflection of a dying electorate, a prancing clown that would have been taken less seriously than even a Pat Paulsen for President a generation or two ago.
Nice to see you back in great form.....LOL. Likewise, Credence. I get fed up, go away for a while and come back for a battle. I'm always delighted to bounce ideas with you.
But I'm still right of center despite my tirade.
Keep drinking that cool-aid , Its working out fine for you isn't it ! I kinda like the one ..................".They hate all media except Fox news "?
That one line answers it all , for a real thinker that is , Why ?
Because all the news is slanted hard left -- Except Fox ? Think about that one line . You just admitted it is !Fox News does seem to tilt conservative, but there's a lot they simply don't report, just like the other cable networks. None of them are worth much.
Ahorseback, please provide proof from a credible source that any of my statements are wrong.
I'm sure it has nothing to do with left wing extremists who allow terrorists to come unchecked and unfiltered into this country, along with countless other illegals who have no intention of assimilating into our society only to benefit off of a welfare system which they have no intention of paying into.
Or the left wing extremists who have had control over the last 50 years of cities like Chicago, Detroit, and Flint that are awash in corruption, poverty, and gang violence.
Or the liberal extremists who tripled down on the nations debt to the point that our children's children's children will be picking up the tab.
Or the liberal extremists who implemented every failed socialist program that has sucked the life out of every working class American since the great depression.
Or the liberal extremists at college campuses who violently shut down any kind of speech which does not align with their own preconceived moral agenda.
Or the liberal extremists who are systematically dismantling the the first amendment of the United States Constitution piece by piece, starting with the abridgment of free speech, and ending with their relentless efforts to suppress religious activities, and dismantle historical religious monuments from the public arena. (except for the freedoms of Islamic's for whatever reason)Onusonus, do you believe liberal extremists are preventing the FBI and CIA from doing their jobs?
Do you believe liberal extremists are responsible for a massive federal debt that skyrocketed in response to collapsing federal tax revenues during the Great Recession, multi trillion dollar wars and massive tax cuts that favor the rich?
Please identify the major failed socialist programs.
Please provide examples of liberal extremists who are dismantiling the 1st Amendment.The Obama Admin, and by extension the State Dept, are and always have been preventing the FBI, ATF, Military, etc. from doing their jobs.
There was more than one FBI investigation into Omar Mateen, the investigations were shut down under pressure from the State Dept. and DHS’s Civil Rights and Civil Liberties Office because essentially during Obama's Administration Muslims have been given a wide range of protection.
According to recently retired DHS agent Philip Haney: “The FBI had opened cases twice on him, and yet they found no[thing that qualified as strong enough] evidence to charge him; it means they didn’t go through the same basic, analytical process that I went through over a three or four hour period in which I was able to link the mosque to my previous cases,” he told WND on Sunday.
In other words, the FBI couldn't stop Mateen because it was ordered to back off its investigation into his mosque, and him.
Just the other day, once more someone with knowledge of the terrorist threats here and abroad of authority came forward and spoke out. C-I-A Director John Brennan contradicted President Obama, and declared the threat of the Islamic State is not lessened, and our nation is not more secure. It doesn't fit the narrative that is being pumped out by the Administration, a narrative that has nothing in common with reality.Interesting, now consider the fact that our benevolent Liberal Democrat commander in chief is asking that we allow people from war torn countries who hold dearly to the idea that their violence is justified through the dictates of their holy book (particularly against gay people) to come into this country unvetted, while simultaneously railing on at the idea that this country has a gun problem.
Solution: disarm law abiding citizens.
Makes perfect sense to me when you think about it. Obama has a romanticized idea about the Muslim faith, as he was raised as one. But forgets about what happens when they become the majority in a given country. Particularly when it comes to introducing them to a pluralistic society.
Hmmmm, more mass shootings? More terror attacks? Solution: Destroy Hillary's email server.Crooked Hillary Clinton wants a 550% increase of these refugees into the US, over what Imama Obama is allowing.
The LGBT community is liking Donald Trump more, and more. He wants a temporary ban on Muslims until they can be properly vetted. There are about 10 Muslim countries that believe its an act of compassion to kill gays, that includes moderate Muslims. It is in their Quran and it is accepted as a matter of fact because that is their religious legalistic cult's law.
Who is going to be a better president and protect Americans.Obama wants ten thousand Syrian refugees to be let into our country by September. Thousands of people coming in from a war torn country who share absolutely none of our values, and are taught from birth that they will get to heaven by killing infidels. What could possibly go wrong?
Here are some thoughts to ponder.
Our wonderful government just authorized 1.1 TRILLION dollars to bring in 300,000 Syrian refugees... in ONE year.
1.1 TRILLION dollars... to bring in 300,000 people who have no work here... a nation with about 100 million people already out of work. I suspect they are going to cost us more, and more than one of those 300,000 will go full blown terrorist on innocent Americans.
When Obama had the chance to intercede for those refugees, years ago, and oppose the efforts to massacre them, and oppose ISIS, he did nothing.
So... I guess its a matter of perspective, you can spend a Trillion dollars destroying those committing mass atrocities of evil that would have made the Nazi regime proud.... or you can spend over a Trillion dollars on a yearly basis trying to aid the victims that survive, as the violence and evil spreads like a cancer further and further out.Um, you might want to check your facts. The 1.1 trillion dollars is for the entire spending bill to which the refugee program is attached.
Probably, lets see, 300,000 divided by 3 for an average of a family/unit, housing/food/welfare/health @ 100k per unit = $10,000,000,000 a year, easy, cost to taxpayers per year... for many years to come.
That is the cost for those 300k, not including those already brought in, or to be brought in, in future years (Hillary has already said she want to bring in more, I think I saw 650k was her goal somewhere).
Anyways, 10 Billion is a far cry from 1.1 Trillion. But long term it will add up quick, especially if they continue to add to those numbers. Like we don't have enough crossing over from Mexico as it is.
Ken, I don't know how much the government is spending to bring them here, but I don't like it either if it undermines the economy.
Your first point is firmly rooted in a lie. Why proceed?
The Orlando terrorist passed multiple background checks, including scrutiny by the FBI. Hardly haphazard.
The Newtown killer murdered his mother for her legally owned firearms.Connecticut at the time had strict gun laws, background checks and Gun registration.
These are just the beginning. If you want more, there are ample examples of shooters who either passed multiple security and background checks.
How foolish to think that law is a deterrentto a determined criminal. If that were so we would already live in paradise.Just curious, after three years, did any of the items you listed come to fruition?
Or are Democratic Socialists trying to destroy America?Certainly. The country is now quite a bit worse off.
I don't know why you are digging up a three-year-old post. But I did it because white nationalists back then were constantly posting garbage like the ones below and quite a few more.
https://hubpages.com/politics/forum/136 … ng-america
https://hubpages.com/politics/forum/323 … lease-giveRace relations were worst under Obama. The number of white supremest in our country are very small. Why are you and the media focusing on them? You help created the myth that America is a racist nation and Trump is a racist...both are false. Keep it up and your party will go down in defeat. Just an observation.
I realize over the top statements often times create over the top responses but that post from years ago is creepily prophetic of how the left has moved into a position of intimidation and is now jeopardizing our democracy.
A small group, through intimidation, threats of violence, attempts to ruin everyday people who's only crime is to disagree, name calling and sometimes actual violence... all in the name of political supremacy.
They have hijacked the Democratic primary and threaten our two party system; simply because they cannot deal with open dialogue.I'm not sure who you mean on the left. What I do know is that we have a growing problem with white supremacists in this country led by the current President and his supporters.
What I also know is that I'm seeing more and more acts of violence by the far right, including the:
- Massacre in El Paso targeting Mexicans
- Bomber in Vegas targeting synagogues
- Burning of black churches in Louisiana
- Mass murder of blacks at a Charleston church
- Mass murder of Jews at a Pittsburg synagogue
- Mass murder at a Sikh temple in Wisconsin
- Mass shooting and murder at a San Diego synagogue
- Charlottesville race riot and murder
- Obama and Pelosi bomber who just got sent to prison
Etcetera, etcetera.Looks like you have simply defined the far right as anyone producing any violence based on discrimination of nearly any group. How else do you figure out that all of these came from people identifying with that subset of conservatives? Certainly they did not announce "I'm a far right nut job!".
No, I didn't say what you are claiming. I said quite clearly: "I'm seeing more and more acts of violence by the far right,"
??? That's what I said. The statement is true because you have defined the "far right" as people that commit those kinds of violence. How else would you know they are all done by the "far right" unless you defined the term that way?
Here you go again for the umpteenth time. Making up junk that I didn't say.
For the third time, "I'm seeing more and more acts of violence by the far right." That has zero to do with defining the entire far right as violent.Is it? I have repeatedly mentioned that you have zero reason to assume a political leaning of "far right" and you have repeatedly ignored it in favor of assuming that the people committing the acts are indeed "far right".
Sounds very much like a definition to me. VERY much.Seems like that is the standard definition, Wilderness,who are you to challenge it and attempt to redefine it? I mean, really?
They identified as far right and that is what they are. Sorry, excuse me, if I accept the preponderant definition for a term over your opinion.....Credence, are you trying to say that anyone who commits mass murder against blacks, Jews and Hispanics is probably not a liberal?
I can never say such in an absolute sense, but the idea and philosophy of assault on others due to race, ethnicity or religion is centrally found as part of right wing terrorism and doctrine. So, your statement is the most probable explanation.
The fact that I have to think as to when this has ever happened regarding the Left, I think that it easy to say that this form of violence is within the purview of the Right.
Who are YOU to define "far right" as violence oriented, common to mass killers, etc....without ever knowing what the actual political leaning is?
I HEAR YOU!!
And still defining anyone killing people as far right, without having a single indication that that is true. It's all in the definition, right? If they're killers then they are from the far political right. The logic is sadly lacking, but hey - it helps demonize anyone on the right, particularly President Trump and is thus acceptable.You aren't hearing a thing. The targets on the list are the indication.
What you are really saying is that a white man who kills 100 black people and only black people is not a white supremacist.This is crazy...in all my 67 years, 57 living here in America, I have never come across one white supremest. I have traveled all over our great country. There were a few bigots and stupid people but never a white supremest...
what are you getting at here?
It seems like they are coming out of the woodworks...from what you are experiencing. Please enlighten us. Where are these people that are causing you such angst?How many white supremest do you know?
I live in the NYC suburbs...and go to the city once a week.
I traveled to DC once every few months...also to Southern California 3 times a year.
I go visit a relative in Arizona once a year...and go to Florida every other year...Come to southern Ga. and visit me, Jack. I'll introduce you to folks who use the "N" word as a matter of course. They feel entitled to ever since Trump was elected. I'm serious, Jack.
I actually know quite a few. They despise everyone on Trump's hate list.
They also own guns, but none of them has committed mass murder yet.Well you are in the extreme minority.
Just ask your friends and colleagues the same question...
Take a poll.
Open your eyes.
Ours is not a hateful racist country as the NYT would have you believe.I can probably get you into a KKK rally if you like, Jack.
We had one just a few weeks ago down the road from my house. I could have invited him to that one if we had this discussion back then.
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Perhaps you should ask the residents of El Paso about angst?
Only because the following list makes you uncomfortable and realize you are supporting a white supremacist President. So you concoct a claim about my "definition" of far right.
Or maybe all of the below was done by Trump-hating liberals?
- Massacre in El Paso targeting Mexicans
- Bomber in Vegas targeting synagogues
- Burning of black churches in Louisiana
- Mass murder of blacks at a Charleston church
- Mass murder of Jews at a Pittsburg synagogue
- Mass murder at a Sikh temple in Wisconsin
- Mass shooting and murder at a San Diego synagogue
- Charlottesville race riot and murder
- Obama and Pelosi bomber who just got sent to prisonPerhaps they were. Are they registered Democrats? Did any (or all) of them vote Clinton? Do they support the massive welfare system?
You don't know, I don't know, and that means the you don't know if they are right or left politically. Some Democrats (leftists) DID vote Trump and DO support at least some of Trumps programs and actions - do any those killers fall into that category?
You don't know and you don't care...because you have defined the right to include anyone doing violence.It's shocking that anyone says the list shows no pattern of violence by white supremacists toward other races and religions.
And please quit making up things that I didn't say. You do the same to other people on here who also have asked you to stop.
Trying to prove someone wrong by making up junk is not debating.
The incidents you cite are illegal, untenable, unsupportable by any in main stream society. I'm talking of behavior patterns being displayed in the open and ones which many in the left consider acceptable.
I'm also describing a behavior pattern that is in the open and that is leading to actual violence.
That said, I condemn anyone on the left who incites violence as equally as anyone on the right.I don't think open discussion and disagreement leads to violence. I think intractable positions which willfully close off the ability to discuss and disagree with civility do that.
A President who inflames his followers has nothing to do with civil discussions and disagreements. It has everything to do with creating an environment that increases actual violence.
It's no coincidence that white supremacy violence has skyrocketed since Trump took office.
https://www.adl.org/news/press-releases … adl-report
More to the point, it's his supporters who willfully close off the ability to discuss and disagree because they refuse to accept responsibility for the white supremacist they voted into office.
You are sorely mistaken. There is not an increase of violence by the far right. The violence is from antifa, and BLM and the OWS and the far left and socialists...and people who are mentally insane.
The white supremest the media is touting is miniscule. The total population of the KKK and other groups number in the hundreds, out of a 330 million population.
You are buying into the lie. We are not a racist country and Trump is not fermenting hatred. If anything, it is the anti-Trump people and groups that are talking up violence and discord.Don't tell me you can't read, Jack? Where are the comparable body counts that you associate with the left leaning groups?
Trump supporters clearly have no grip on reality.
It is you who have lost it. There is no right wing problem with our country.
If anything, the problem is with the left biased media, trying to sell us that Trump is a racist and America is racist for voting for him...
By the way, it was the same media that for 2.5 years claim Trump was a Russian spy...the Mueller report put an end to that myth.Then all of those shootings and bombings are fake news?
Maybe it's time for you to start posting more links to Russian websites that defend Herr Trump.HH 8/8 allusions, illusions, distractions...
What a joke?
Nazi are associated with the left. Antifa is the epitome of the brown shirts.
Your playbook is getting old and tired and America is not buying it.
Even CNN and MSNBC are giving up.
The 2020 election will be a watershed moment.
What if Trump is re-elected President?
What will you do then?
Move to Paris?
"Don't tell me you can't read, Jack? Where are the comparable body counts that you associate with the left leaning groups and the "so called" biased media?
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Are you being evasive, Jack?
Do you have an answer to this question or not?He'll have an answer, but not to your question.
No. Credence. Violence is not only measured by body count.
antifa with their masks have cause property damage and beaten up people...and the liberal mayors are hiding under the desk. These groups are anarchist.Say what you want Jack, but you equivocate. Killing opponents is by far the most heinous, why do right wingers keep trying to change the narrative?
I am not changing anything.
I was responding to the question posed on this forum.
Many of the killings were made by people with mental issues.
They happen on a regular basis under both GOP and Democratic administrations.
There is no truth to the charge that Trump is making things worse.
The only people stirring this up is the media."The Anti-Defamation League reports that white supremacist propaganda and recruitment efforts on and around college campuses have been increasing sharply, with 1,187 incidents in 2018 compared to 421 in 2017, far exceeding any previous year."
Excerpt from info Wikipedia, you don't have a problem with the source, do you, Jack?
Do you not think that the startling increase in numbers is more than just a coincidence? The increase coinciding with the Trump Administration?
Is there a tendency to believe that with increased recruitment efforts, these groups are becoming more active and brazen in their approach?
It just turns out that there are plenty of sources beyond the media, that have made the same observations.
That mental illness stuff is an excuse. We spoke before as to the 4 reasons for these kind of assault.
1. Mental illness
2 rightwing motivated anti government, racist, or otherwise intolerant
3. Left wing, there has been no assaults in recent times even rising anywhere near what has occurred under the previous 2 categories
4. Islamic and related terrorism.
So guess, here in America which group is responsible for the most lethal and frequent events? Behind which curtain will younfind the answer, 1-4? Do, I have to ask you"who is buried in Grant's tomb"?"The only people stirring this up is the media."
More and more I have to disagree with that. I believe one of the major factors is the hatred being spewed by those on the left...and it is being mirrored by hatred on the far right. The targets may be different (or not), but the hate and uncaring attitude is identical.
So a left winger who breaks a window in a riot is just as violent as a right winger who murders 22 people with an assault rifle?
If it lets Trump off the hook, Jack's for it!
Only you would make that comparison.
Sad...What about the shooting that happens daily in South side of Chicago?
Who are you going to blame?
Does black lives matter? Why is BLM only protest when a black is killed by police and yet stay silent when blacks shoot other blacks day in day out in Chicago?
I say All Lives Matter...Cmon, Jack, you can not be that obtuse?
There is a difference when members of law enforcement unjustiably shoots someone.I am not ruled by emotions.
Here is latest data for 2018 on police shootings...
https://m.theepochtimes.com/police-shoo … 57253.htmlThe group most responsible for destroying America is the media.
They distort the news...twist facts and selective reporting to push a progressive agenda.
Many millennials are buying into this blindly.
They never heard of Malcom X who warned a generation ago...
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But you made that point:
"Violence is not only measured by body count."
Yes, there are protests and marches, but to compare that with rightwing cretins bent on homicide is a stretch....
Yet ANOTHER anonymous website with pro Trump and pro Russia propaganda.
Does the fake news from Trump supporters ever end?
http://whois.domaintools.com/truthfeed.com
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So how many shoots happened under Obama’s presidency?
My prediction.
Trump will win re-election with a greater margin than in 2016.
The Democrats will lose the House and Senate.
The Economy will be fine.
How’s that for a dose of reality.
The media will be on the decline with the lowest credibility.
People will be getting their news elsewhere.
Many main stream outlets will disappear.
Many Newspaper and magazines will close shop.
Could not happen to a more deserving crowd.
Do I remember you saying you are Republican, promisem?
Why did you decide to come out of the closet...
It is the blind mentally unstable that think Donald Trump is using any kind of tactics. He is an outsider, not a corrupt politician. The things that are wrong today and in the past have nothing to do with Trump. This isn't about Trump at all...but that's how liberals-roll. Wow! This is crazy!
Neuroticism and Psychoticism (birds of a feather)
* http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2 … decade.php
BTW, I'm a Libertarian.
Liberals cannot seem to realize that Democrats have been in power for almost the past 8 years, and nothing changes except to get worse. (Hey, there are conservatives who cannot see it.)
Bush, Clinton, Bush, Obama...same policies!
It is status quo! Insane to want more of the same.When US have a problem, the whole world is in trouble. It is very interesting that, while in the US, a tragedy like in Orlando happens, the NATO, which is the greatest alliance ever created by the US, get army near the Russian borders. I find it strange for the danger coming from Russia is not about a classic war or massive war, but about a hybrid war, which means propaganda, political corruption, even green men armed, terrorists. There something not right here, unless Russia pays the bill for all this attacks, even in the middle East or in Europe and now in Orlando. If this is true, then we have a problem and Trump might be the ultimate Russian army against Russian Federation end with Putin.
- PrettyPantherposted 8 years ago0
Yes, just look at them here in these forums. They're a scary bunch. Makes me sad for our country.
On the other hand, there are some good conservatives out there who are finally waking up to realize they sat on their butts too long while their party was hijacked by obstructionists, religious weirdos, and racists, culminating in the only manner it could: an openly racist, lying, authoritarian bully for a presidential candidate, Donald Trump.
We must work hard to keep that dangerous psycho out of the White House.Yea I know , why don't you bring in Honest Katie Couric , maybe she can edit out some of Donald's terrible responses to the media ! How dare conservatives be honest like that ?
I agree, Pretty Panther. And it's getting worse. God help us if the extremists take over.
- ahorsebackposted 8 years ago0
The point is the ability to see through the maze of media , the slant , the bias , the ideological agendas, the politics . Fox certainly has their slant too, BUT , the other outlets are completely biased . one thing about Fox is that they enjoy a huge audience . I'll never understand the lefts ability to deny the thought of patriotism , to stand behind a president who neither seems to love his country enough nor it's culture. Extreme Right wing extremists as in who , the skinheads ? The KKK ? Check your history , you will find that the right wingers love of county is far more prevalent than leftists NWO crap .Right wingers are lovers of the constitution and the military and even the government .
Ahorseback, a person who opposes right-wing extremism isn't necessarily a liberal. I'm just as opposed to left-wing extremism. Does that then make me a conservative? Any extremism is dangerous to the country and Constitution. Do you agree or not?
What you are overlooking, Promisem, is that there is no such thing as a moderate conservative anymore. What is moderate about Trump, and he is the face of the GOP, the "conservative political party"? To be defined in the conservative camp means being a right wing extremist whether you like it or not. There has not been any real equal on the left since the 1960's. Democratic party politics are center left at the most.
Credence2, your response troubles me deeply. I am a moderate conservative. Are you saying that I'm the only one left in the country?
I am not being nasty, Promisem. But, look at the Party? Back in the days when the only difference between the two parties was that one was more fiscally conservative than the other, we had more in common than otherwise. Back in the days prior to Goldwater and maybe up to the election of Reagan, we have not been as contentious with one another. Now, nothing gets done in Congress. Would a Donald Trump be something that would be even contemplated by either of the major parties just a generation ago?
With the exception, of GA, yeah, you are the only one left in the country.I take exception to the timeline of shallower differing ideologies , I say it was post Bill Clinton when true divide came along . Possibly in the Reagan days .
I think that Reagan was the beginning of everything, the Moral Majority, massive military buildup, deep sixing the social programs. Yes 1981 is a good place to draw the line as to where what we see as 'conservatism' as identified by the GOP begins.
Richard Nixon, the last elected GOP president before Reagan, was far more mainstream politically.Reagan changed and politically altered countries all across the world , Began a vibrant economic build-up in the US. and drew people of both parties into a unified conversation about our country and it's political divisions .
It is however , the SHALLOW after thoughts and agenda's of the ideological leftists that have to live in denial of THAT in order to advance the moron-ity of present day extreme liberal ideologies . At least in the seventies and eighties the majority of democrats were ideologically responsible voters . What they have become today is shallow P.C.shadow of that same voter .
Don't worry though , the intelligence and political maturity of the conservative voter will save our country , in spite of the extreme leftist absence of depth and understanding of it's own actions.Conservative voter saving the country by electing Trump, right ....
You will never get a chance, because there are more of us then there are of you. Better go for those 'shootin irons' to stop the libs because everybody knows rightwing politics rarely win these days.
Credence, my response was tongue in cheek. I'm sorry it wasn't more obvious. I know you weren't being nasty.
If GA is a moderate conservative, he is my new BFF. Maybe we can form a club.
I realize that most reasonable adults are middle position politically , What I also realize is the absolute control of the majority of our media , BY THE LEFT ! That and the following point are the greatest danger of all , The liberal teaching's of our complete education system and it's teachings to our youth . America is swinging off center towards the left .
Anyone that cannot admit that , is either mentally asleep or totally indoctrinated by the P.C. media trends of today ! . It will take the reality of imminent and perhaps more dangerous terror attacks before America wakes up to this .The problem today is that too much of the blame goes to conservatisms , unfairly so . How is it that those who want less government , less restrictions to our liberties ,, smaller government and more accountability of existing government , to blame ?
I'll Tell you this too ! The very reason for the over two hundred year old political and economic success story that IS America , can be" blamed" on conservatism too . You're welcome ! However , we ARE approaching the levels of cultural , economic and educational entitlements , of larger and more intrusive central government comparable to nations that ARE Socialists ! That you can blame on extreme liberal ideologies !It can also be blamed on the fact that the Christian faith did have, until recent decades, a considerable INFLUENCE upon America; this influence was such that the beliefs and actions of non believers were directed, to some extent, by Christianity. This is no longer the case (as can be seen by extreme liberal thought) and has helped bring about the decline of America.
Ahorseback, I have worked in media for 35 years, and I can tell you for a fact that the people who own media properties cover the full range of political beliefs.
I spent five years working closely with one of the most right-wing extremists I have ever met. He was CEO of a company with more than 50 newspapers and TV stations.
So no, the left doesn't control all of the media in this country. Not even close.The televised media is primarily almost wholly, liberally influenced , The idiocy of Extreme-- liberalism has hit hard on the most of these news outlets , I am from northern New England , and once moderate newspapers are going further left . Rural central and western news outlets are the only remaining conservatives , on paper , Fox TV. delivers much conservative-ism , at times too much , however the rest are so slanted left their about to drop off the charts !
Then you and I are partly agreeing that some media is liberal and some media is conservative.
If we are somewhat agreeing, Ahorseback, does that mean I'm not a liberal extremist?
- ahorsebackposted 8 years ago0
At the present rate of Muslim immigration , Obama can even ignore the courts , public opinion and congress and still let in over twenty thousand LEGAL immigrant Muslims, to say nothing of the two to three times that illegally attaining citizenship . Perhaps Obama has a guilt complex for his and Hillary's Arab Spring Uprising . That created this mess !
Just how is it possible to "vet " someone when you cannot AND do not know absolutely anything about them .? Oh yea , lets check with Iraq's , Syria and the others FBI files , like they have any such thing !20,000... hah... the government is bringing in 300,000 in the next twelve months, legally flown in, that has nothing to do with any crossing the border from Mexico.
- ahorsebackposted 8 years ago0
Today , it is the apathetic attitude of the Obama administration that is and will get more Americans killed on OUR OWN SOIL ! Liberal leadership is allowing the selling of all of our liberties to the highest bidder . Hillary is a pro at selling America to the highest bidder !
Left -wingers are killing the American dream !It's not a apathetic attitude, it is a deliberate and well thought out position he takes on all of this. Hasn't ANYONE read his books?
Dreams from my father... you don't even have to read it, you can find it on YouTube, the audio version, as well as his positions on Islam, Whites, Blacks, all in his own words in various interviews.
History is repeating itself on this continent. Ask the American Indians how happy they are today … as certain ancestors helped the invaders who arrived in ships from Europe. The Indians did not see them as invaders at the time. But invade they did. They did not see that the visitors could eradicate their way of life. But eradicate they did. They did not see the suffering and the misery that other humans can inflict on other humans. But inflict they did.
Could it happen again?????
Both parties should unite over the issue of border control and the vital importance of strictly enforcing immigration laws.Did you ever consider that both parties are aware of the damage bringing in tens of millions (that eventually turn to over 100 million, we are at over 65 million in the past quarter century) could do to the culture and future of America?
That they are doing it with understanding of how it will effect wages, national unity, and all those other things that make a population strong and united?In order for Globalism, corporate and global law to supersede National law, and National loyalty of the populace, one must destroy the foundations of a culture... that is in full swing currently, and should be complete in another decade or so.
It may not seem it... but compared to say 1975, when America was still legitimately the #1 Nation in the world (before the oil crisis and shift of Industrial power to China)... America is somewhere between the 10th and 20th best Nation in the world, and continuing to fall/falter.
This is achieved in large part because we have taken well more than 65 million people in 25 years, with the numbers now rising to millions each and every year... soon we will hit 100 million, probably in less than 10 years.
A people who have no common culture, have no common background, have no unity, and more easily controlled by a central government which the majority depend on to survive... and all those millions of immigrants are counting on the government to provide them... in most cases they get better coverage from our government than American born citizens.
It has to do with economics, wages of the workers, lowering the value of the workers, of people in society in general... the job I had when I was 18 pays less per hour now, and has less benefits, and that was 30 years ago.
That job essentially is done now for less than HALF of what it was done for then... because the value of the dollar isn't worth half what it was then.
They are bringing all those immigrants in, not to give them opportunity so much as to water down every American's opportunity for better wages and a better life than their parents had.
That's what Globalism is... the elite have more than ever, they become gods on earth... and the rest become the masses, easily replaced no matter who they are or what their position. This would be unachievable if there wasn't such a population explosion going on... but considering we have gone from a country that not so long ago only had 235 million people in it and now we have 325 million, and jobs/corporations are moving in all haste out of America to those other more populated countries massively populated with CHEAP labor.... http://www.census.gov/popclock/ ... anyways, the days of America being the #1 consumer of world resources and the #1 leader in technology and advances are over ... this massive influx of immigrants is just Globalism which = anti-Nationalism in full swing.
- ahorsebackposted 8 years ago0
Left or right , lets face it we could stand for more muslims , islamics or any cultures of the world to come into America Legally ! Vetted , confirmed , unblemmished in legal and civil or political violations . But the biggest problem of this whole immigration issue is the umconfirmed vetting process SIMILAR to culturally accepted means that Americans are used to .
We go to Moter Vehicles to re-up a drivers licence . we get it .
We go to the town to pay our property taxes , they accept them .
We apply for our social security benifits , answer the usual twenty questions , they accept it .
But Muslim refugees are un -vettable ! There ARE no records , no moter vehicle records , no educational school records . hardly any military records ............Nada ! What don't liberals get about a divisive and idealistically confrontive theist society that has a pre-emtive mission to destroy all of western Judeo-Christian peoples ? Wilderness,
Well, lets see, from Day one, actually during the campaign Trump criticized his opponents and mocked them. He started his hate mongering of Mexicans. He talked about shooting someone on main street and still getting elected and your comment has just proved him right. He knew he could count on the votes from ideological followers.
And to imply that the media is stirring things up, you are following his ideology, hook line and sinker. In 1942, there were followers just like you in another country.
The sad part, I could have gotten behind some of the things that Trump has done, but to treat American's without respect as he does is unpatriotic and dangerous.Do you feel just as passionately when large swaths of American citizens are demonized for political purposes from any corner? Do you feel the same when one political party tries to turn everything into identity politics? Do you feel the same way when racial slurs are thrown at minorities who don't agree with a particular political views?
This lack of respect, across the board, is a problem.
Actually, he makes some obvious points. Why anyone still votes GOP is beyond me. We elect a republican president, then we elect a democrat to clean up the mess. How many times to we have to do this before people connect the dots?
Oh buggers Randy, there you go trying to interject everyday reality into a political discussion. Sheesh.
Yes, that was my feeble attempt at sarcasm. I have been in group settings as you described - here on the Eastern Shore of Maryland. So Georgia doesn't hold a monopoly on the mindset you are describing.
GAYes indeed Gus, I live among Bible and gun toting Southern Baptists for the most part. Sad to say I consider many as friends. Go figure...
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