Admit it...You Probably Think All Nigerians Are Fraudsters...Yes or No?

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   fierycjposted 15 years ago

   You've probably heard about 419.
   
   Almost everyone here has received a scam mail from a Nigerian, right.
   
   In 2004 Transparency International named Nigeria the 3rd most corrupt nation in the world. Its about 30something now, though. I wrote a hub about this.
   
   What's your view? Are you buying into any of it? Honest opinions only. Don't be afraid to be get nasty.

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      CabinGirlposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      All countries have Fraudsters, I could even be one But no one country should ever carry a label, the cabin girl respects all cultures.

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         fierycjposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         If only all men were like thou...then shall peace spring forth as the morning, and prosperity as the noon day...

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            \Brenda Scullyposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            you never told me you were a poet.....

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               fierycjposted 15 years agoin reply to this

               I do a little something something, Bren.

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      dennisemattposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      I have indeed recieved spam from a Nigerian.I honestly assumed that saying it was from Nigeria was part of the scam....I havent read your hub yet, and I am sorry to say I have no idea what 419 is. Im going to read it now.

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         fierycjposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         That's cool, Dennise.

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      Lady_Eposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      I don't think all Nigerian's are Fraudsters.  There are some lovely, honest, genuine Nigerians who have hearts of Gold.  But sadly, I'm sorry to say, there are still some Fraudsters in Nigeria and in the UK who are tainting the Country with a bad brush. Where do we start? In the UK we have Nigerians Using fake passports, getting into relationships with women only to leave them once they've got citizenship,  buying stuff from catalogues and taking them out of the country and never paying, stealing from work, Having more than one council house and renting it out.  I could write a Hub, but like I wrote in the beginning there are some honest Nigerians.
      
      So, not all Nigerians are Fraudsters. Sorry I went on a bit Fiery x (I've had some nasty experiences with them)

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   Pearldiverposted 15 years ago

   I think your countrymen have let themselves down. Not a lot of credibility anymore with BS Scams which have been coming from them for 3 decades that I know of.  Perhaps that's the problem guys like yourself face; in attempting to have a voice. For a resource rich country; things there seem pretty screwed up.  But that's your home... What do You do to clean it up?
   I live in Bumble Town..on the othe side of the world.. we have our own forms of 'corruption' here.

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   goldentoadposted 15 years ago

   I'd pay for a Nigerian hooker. No scam in that as long as they don't drug you or tie you up and then snag your wallet after.

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      CabinGirlposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Snag your wallet, I would rather shag your wallet rather than you. And from what I hear even Nigerian hookers have standards

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         goldentoadposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         That's why you couldn't be one. You have none and would take any scalawag for a roll.

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   cindyvineposted 15 years ago

   I know in South Africa they are having problems with Nigerian druglords, but then they are also having problems with Moroccan druglords.

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   \Brenda Scullyposted 15 years ago

   in the town where we live... Nigerians have moved in big time... I work with the children at school and get to know the parents.... They are delighted to be away from Nigeria and what they call their corrupt government..... Though Nigerians have a very bad profile, the ones I work with are hard working, and sad that people view all Nigerians in the same light.....  The kids I teach crafts to are truly beautiful people..... Are you trustworthy??????

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      fierycjposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Better believe I am...at least until I ask for your bank account details or something. Then all bets are off.

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   cindyvineposted 15 years ago

   The dentist I had in Botswana was Nigerian and I had his son in my class and they were good people.

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      mayorkingposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Most Nigerians are like that. Somehow we have been let down by the leadership of the country over the years and somehow a few unscrupulous elements have earned the nation that stereotype. But come to think of it South Africa with her highest rape statistics is not getting much negative publicity, and Switzerland that receives looted money in her banks is not getting any negative publicity at all. Maybe there is more to this stereotype than meets the eye?

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         fierycjposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         Of course there's a lot more to it than meets the eye. Statistics show that one not of every four South African man has committed rape. Can you even begin to fathom that? Or Switzerland whose half earnings are from laundered money, and yet they're rated 7th most incorrupt nation. Its outrageous. I wrote a hub on this.

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            darksideposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            This is off topic, but what you've said something that has piqued my interest.
            
            Are these statistics averaged out? (about the South African males)
            
            Because 2 in 20 might be committing 5 rapes, if you know what I mean. Or have 1 out of every 4 males actually committed rape?
            
            And what would the age group be. And are these men found guilty for rape. Or 25% of the population been charged with an alleged rape. Or they're going off the data of suspected rapes?

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   earnestshubposted 15 years ago

   I have only met two Nigerians, both wonderful people.

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   cindyvineposted 15 years ago

   Yeah it's a stereotype - Nigerian = drug dealing scammer and American = baseball loving hotdog eating bigmouth, and Australian = surfing sheep-shagging convict.  Those are just generalisations and stereotypes and the actual people you meet from those countries aren't like that.  Some Americans are vegetarians.

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      earnestshubposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      Easy on the Ozzie stereotype cindy. We have cut off the ankle chains and most of the sheep have been safe here for years. Unlike ...nz

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         ralwusposted 15 years agoin reply to this

         Oh man. We need to wait and see what The Old Firm has to say about that one! LOL

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            cindyvineposted 15 years agoin reply to this

            I was careful not to mention New Zealand!

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               Eaglekiwiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

               Mention New Zealand ...yippeeeee...oh say it again
               Used too, and so over sheep jokes (they really need to come up with some new ones) 
               But ok heres the facts
               ( Family in the frozen export side of things) sorry OZ no longer any pulse) hehe  anyway moving right along
               Australia actually export more sheep per capita than NZ.

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      Eaglekiwiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      um dunno why that made me do this
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      forgive me for my unladylike manner but the caffeine hasnt kicked in yet... (no shit sherlock)

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      darksideposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      HEY! Who are you calling a convict!

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      fierycjposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      You're funny.

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         flread45posted 15 years agoin reply to this

         Have a carrot DOC!!

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      sunstreeksposted 15 years agoin reply to this

      I almost spit out my drink rofl.... and now I want a hotdog from 7-11. They got me through breakfast all throughout my pregnancy with my daughter.

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   diplessposted 15 years ago

   I've only ever met 1 Nigerian and he was a real genius and I learned a lot from him, however I have also had Nigerian's try to scam me...but I think that is just a byproduct and I would never judge an entire country by a few bad experiences.

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    Paragliderposted 15 years ago

    OP - {Admit it...You Probably Think All Nigerians Are Fraudsters...Yes or No?}
    
    No. Some are dead.
    
    (Was that the answer you were fishing for?) 

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    \Brenda Scullyposted 15 years ago

    I believe ya...........

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       fierycjposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       I know you do, Bren. You're an angel.

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    cindyvineposted 15 years ago

    So, fierycj, I just love that Nigerian singer Asa.  That song Fire on the mountain is one of my current favourites.

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       fierycjposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Yeah, she's da bomb. I've got her full album. Its great.

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    ngurecoposted 15 years ago

    Fierycj, your country is the best country in the world, as far as you should be concerned. But then when your former president tell us you are generating more foreign currency from scams than you are generating with oil, we get concerned.
    
    Control poverty by reducing the sizes of familes and that 1% of your people with that problem will stop doing it.
    
    Nigeria is a great country.

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       fierycjposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       if by former president you mean Obasanjo or even all the formers as a matter of fact, then thats hogwash. They all have offshore accounts in frigging Switzerland. Now thats a country that makes half its wealth from developing nations laundering money. But who's calling them one of the most corrupt. No one. As a matter of fact, they're among the top 10 most incorrupt nation. You wanna tell me the Swiss Banks dont know they're receiving laundered money? Yeah right. I mean we're talking billions of dollars here!

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    cindyvineposted 15 years ago

    Hey, all Africa is one!  We rule!  Woo Hoo!

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    Eaglekiwiposted 15 years ago

    Nah Nigeria cant take the credit for ALL fraud , you gotta share the wealth dammit

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       fierycjposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       You gotta read my hub.

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          Eaglekiwiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          Ok Im on my way

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    Anamika Sposted 15 years ago

    No, I don't think all are Nigerians are fraudsters. It is not right to judge everyone as bad based on the actions of a few. Everyday I receive a couple of scam mails and it straight away goes to trash or report.

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       fierycjposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       I like you, Anamika. Easy does it.
       But you gotta admit that stereotype is pretty wide spread. Even one of my favorite TV Shows, The Sopranos has all the Wiseguys saying bad things about Nigerians.

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          Paragliderposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          All stereotypes are widespread. If they weren't they wouldn't be stereotypes. Fortunately, no-one ever stereotypes the Scots...

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             ralwusposted 15 years agoin reply to this

             We haven't been? hmmm, maybe not where you are, but we are over here. LOL

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                Eaglekiwiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                My Grandma was Scottish and she was endearingly known for her frugal ,thrifty and practical ways,
                another stereotype is ALL Scottish people drink whiskey...lol

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                   fierycjposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                   or all Russians drink vodka. Or all Irish people Guiness.  Or all Italians eat spaghetti.

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                Paragliderposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                And of course Scots have a dry sense of humour, so much so that people miss it half the time

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                   Eaglekiwiposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                   lol but they do make the best whiskey!

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    Uninvited Writerposted 15 years ago

    No, I don't. Every country has its bad seeds...

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    diplessposted 15 years ago

    we'll have to change that then paraglider
    
    think fat bastard after winning weight-watcher of the year, and then make him the meanest penny pincher you ever met that would sooner kill you than buy you a drink!
    
    lol all of the above is totally not true tho i have had many Scottish friends (and girlfriends) and they can be the nicest people you ever met, its just like any other denomination

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    spiderpamposted 15 years ago

    The bad part is my father(i never knew him) was Nigerian and I thought I had won, but Thank God I was broke and couldn't send them any money. I dodged a bullet there.

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    Eaglekiwiposted 15 years ago

    I dont like labels ,and boy we( humans) just keep adding them huh..
    I even think they have a new label/illness  for people going thru tough times re economy...they are said to be suffering 'Economitis'
    
    The media are nuts ,absolutely got too much time on their hands.
    I bet there is a job specially called 'Creator of new names department'

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    secondreviewposted 15 years ago

    Back to the age old question.   How do you tell the good and the bad from afar?  The "scammer" reputation that Nigerians suffer from is very damaging.  The Nigerian communities globally have to tackle this issue and be seen to do something about it.  No one else is going to deal with this for them.

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       fierycjposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       You're so right!

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    accofrancoposted 15 years ago

    I hate politics though my family once were political,but i want to enter into politics just to mend the bad reputations of my country.Forget what people might say here,deep down your hearts,you see all Nigerians as scammers,including me,despite my honest efforts to address this scandal.Fiercj,we can't change this bad reputation just here,we need to work with the youths,govt. officials in our country,if you care,contact me.

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    accofrancoposted 15 years ago

    ...and you guys must try and help us by reporting or arresting any Nigerian govt. official who tries to bank huge amount of funds in your banks,stop encouraging them by accepting to transfer funds for them.If the world weren't unjust,nations like Switz,Scot,UK etc should be tagged corrupt for keeping embezzled funds from developing nations in their banks.In my place,whoever that buys a stolen thing gets the highest punishment because without him,such person would not steal.This must be addressed.

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    SweetiePieposted 15 years ago

    accofranco,
    
    Just so you know I do not spend my day thinking of Nigerians and scammers, and just keep in mind it takes two to tango. Yes those scams are appauling, but anyone falling for the scam should be held accountable for their actions.
    
    From the time I was young my mom taught me to be skeptical of strangers, and I would never fall for an email telling me someone I did not know from a foreign land had a sum of money to send me- just so long as I sent money upfront.  Just keep in mind people love to have a scapegoat, a person or a group they can call the bad guy, and in many ways that is directed towards the Nigerian email scams.
    
    People who are silly enough to send the money to these people should also need to be held accountable.  I am not saying these scams are nothing, but often people just love to have a bad guy you know.

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       fierycjposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       You're so right, It's sweet. Do read my hub, please.

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    accofrancoposted 15 years ago

    I thank you all for the good comments about Nigeria,we are working hard to rebrand and reorient our nation,please try and assist us in any way you can,we do appreciate you all,may the Almighty God bless you all?

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    accofrancoposted 15 years ago

    Sweetiepie,you are 100% correct,it takes two to tango,where are the others?And in some cases these guys do succeed in transfering my country's fund to their national banks,what does transparency international,ICC,etc do about it, nothing? Both Nigerian scammers and their victims need to be punished for attempting to commit crime,read my hubs on fraud and scam.

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    fierycjposted 15 years ago

    Accofranco...are you a dude or a chick?

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       accofrancoposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       a guy,those ladies in my avatar are my cousin and her friend. Why do you ask?

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          fierycjposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          I was just wondering is all. You talk like a dude, and then I saw chicks on your avatar. Made me wonder. Hey, who's your cousin? The one on the left is cute.

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             accofrancoposted 15 years agoin reply to this

             She is the one, the other wearing veil is her muslim friend. Where in naija are u?

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                fierycjposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                All over really - Abuja, PH, Umuahia, Owerri. Depends.

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                blondepoetposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                Acco I thought you were a bloke oh my!! What is this world coming to. Bless my little cotten picking socks.

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                   accofrancoposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                   i am a guy Blondep.

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                      blondepoetposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                      I know you are I was pulling your leg, yes you are a guy and a smashing one too

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                         accofrancoposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                         You flatter fest me Blondep.and this makes my head sproul at thesame time makes me feel like Michael Jackson! Thanks anyway.

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                            blondepoetposted 15 years agoin reply to this

                            Oh Billie Jean you touch my soul

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    andromidaposted 15 years ago

    Not at all.There must be many good guys in Negeria-they must not be forgotten.

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    scheinandrasposted 15 years ago

    I believe that there are fair and decent nigerians out there too, not only corrupt ones. I'm from Hungary which is also famous for it's corrupt politicians, but not every hungarian corrupt

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       fierycjposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Thanks for the input, my friend.

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    VENUGOPAL SIVAGNAposted 15 years ago

    All Nigerians are not fraudsters, if only they refrain from sending scam lottery mails, promising to offer millions of dollars. Such scam mailers have landed in jail in India, a few days ago.

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    Everyday Miraclesposted 15 years ago

    I haven't read this thread all the way through, but I wanted to comment on something:
    
    As a student of anthropology, I have learned not to be "ethnocentric." I look at all people as genuinely equal with regard to themselves and their culture. I don't have to like someone's culture to not think that it is equal to my own.
    
    However, during a time when I had a lot of regular contact with large groups of Nigerian tourists (living in Cornwall at the time), I found the groups to be incredibly pervasive, rude and, sorry to say, exceptionally racist. I avoided them whenever I could and am ashamed to say that in some cases learned to avoid all black people in the summer.
    
    Then I came home to the United States, met my husband and we got on with our lives. We lived, for some time, in a community made up largely of immigrants. The majority of the community was Hispanic but there were also a large number of Caribbean and African immigrants in the complex as well. As I got to know some of these families, asked them where they were from (love those gorgeous African accents!) and discovered they were from Nigeria, I found myself confused, and more than that, curious.
    
    I discovered the African *immigrants* to be exceptionally polite, helpful and kind people, the same as I do most groups of immigrant populations.
    
    I haven't had a scam e-mail from Nigeria in several... SEVERAL years. I don't think that Nigerians are all scammers. I believe that it is essentially wrong to judge an entire race by the actions of a few. Is the country corrupt? Probably. Africa has its issues. But that doesn't make its PEOPLE corrupt.
    
    I'm an American who prefers to not be judged by the actions of our president. CJ, until you show me differently I won't judge you based on the actions of a minority of the citizens of your homeland.
    
    Peace?

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       fierycjposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Peace.

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    seemorebangkokposted 15 years ago

    Maybe they'll stop sending scam emails when folks stop falling for it and giving their life savings. I saw some news report that some Doctor sent a few hundred thousand US dollars to a Nigerian "Prince". Multiply that with a few other suckers and Nigeria's got themselves a thriving industry.

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       fierycjposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Nigeria already has a thriving industry. Its called Oil. But what good has it done right.

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    SweetiePieposted 15 years ago

    Spam filters do a good job of clearing out the scam messages, which I have received from all around the world.  Even at the local mall there are people that will try to pull a scam by asking you to give them fifty dollars for their valuable ring.  One man at a Greyhound station once showed me a sparkly ring, and told me I could pay him a hundred dollars for it because later I could pawn it for a higher price.  Scams are everywhere, but you have to be savvy enough to know not to fall for these.  Whenever a stranger asks for money or personal info I would say delete that email, or do not talk to that person.

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       accofrancoposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       You have a good sense of reasoning. I respect your words,no wonder you made it to a 100 hub score,congrats "Sweetiepie"

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    Mishaposted 15 years ago

    Answering the title question - no.

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    SweetiePieposted 15 years ago

    You are very sweet acco .

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    Bob Cedarposted 15 years ago

    Don't blame the scammers, blame the people who believe this uncle they never knew existed left them a million dollars in a bank on another continent.

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       fierycjposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Lol.

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          fierycjposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          You've gotta be the stupidest or the greediest person to fall for that crap. No kidding.

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       accofrancoposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       You are so damn right and also funny. This is what i keep on wondering,just read my hub on this. Nice words!

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    Sufidreamerposted 15 years ago

    I work on a US based freelance site and a Nigerian guy asked, in the forums, why he could not open an account. It transpired that Nigeria was on the 'Banned List.'
    
    A real shame for the guy - he was intelligent, articulate and polite, but was prevented from earning an honest living. Felt really sorry for him, because I am sure that the vast majority of Nigerians are honest and hardworking, just like anybody else.

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       fierycjposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       You're right, Suf. I mentioned a similar experience I had in my hub.

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       accofrancoposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Here you come, this is exactly the Darkest side of it all, my countrymen are not allowed to open a paypal account, like the one i am using now was opened from China by a relation,but its hurtful. This is unfair,a clear indication that they believe all Nigerians are fraudsters,wrong generalization or fallacy.Because a doctor you know flirts,therefore all doctors are flirts;fallacy of generalization.Please if you know any paypal official,tell him or her to please stop punishing innocent Nigerians because of scandalous acts from a few group.

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    LondonGirlposted 15 years ago

    I certainly don't think all Nigerians are scammers. All those I've met have been just like anyone else, some fantastic, some OK, some idiots.
    
    Nigeria does have a problem with both corruption and scammers, but that's a hell of a long way from saying Nigerians are fraudsters.

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    accofrancoposted 15 years ago

    Innocent and decent Nigerians are crying out against this everyday but the other people are not helping matters at all,by accepting to involve in false business transaction,is it fair? But at the end, only the scammer gets punished why? If both parties are punished,the rate of this scandal would reduce drastically.

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    Blackngoldbananaposted 15 years ago

    No, I don't think all Nigerians are fraudsters.  That doesn't make logical sense.  There are honest people everywhere, this is just another case of a "few bad apples".  There are fraudsters everywhere too.  What I think is sad is that the fraudsters believe that they are believable.  Its a shame that they are casting a shadow on their own country.  Short-sighted as well as stupid.

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    blondepoetposted 15 years ago

    I have never received a scam mail from a Nigerian so I got to say no

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    accofrancoposted 15 years ago

    For instance,if i send you a message telling you that i'm the accountant general of my country's oil firm,and i request that you assist me in transfering an overdrafted fund from my firm's account to your personal account so that we can share it out later on,to avoid this overdrafted fund from going back into my government's account,and you accept,and at the end you get scammed or screwd,please who should be punished? Is it me alone or both of us?

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    accofrancoposted 15 years ago

    When my dad was a govt. official,there were several cases of some corrupt officials transfering huge funds abroad through the help of some western guys,and it is still on,so this is why these guys always agree to these scams,the only solution is for the western nations to corperate with us by enacting strict laws to punish any of their citizen or bank that engage in the transfer of fund from developing nations and any one who falls prey to any sort of international scam,you will see that things will change for better,and then we work harder on our own side by passing death sentence bill on scam or fraud crimes.

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    Watch Towerposted 15 years ago

    I do not belive all Nigerians are corupt. I think people are people, inderviduals make their own choices. Not all the Nigerian scams are run by Nigerians. They just happen to use the country as a tax haven where they can lundar money. Before bringing it back to the westren banking system where its orgins can not be traced back.
    
    When I met some one, I judge them on their own merrits and their own deeds. Not by some tar brush that has been used upon them.

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    cindyvineposted 15 years ago

    A vegetarian hotdog?

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       sunstreeksposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Nope. Meat. But I use the term meat very loosely. Not really sure what the 99cent 7-11 hotdogs are made with. I try not to think of it.

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    cindyvineposted 15 years ago

    So, did you enjoy your choclate and spa, blonde?

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    fierycjposted 15 years ago

    Hey, Accofranco...where in Naija do you reside?

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       accofrancoposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       wuse Abj but sometimes in Lekki phase 1 lagos island, close to tantalizer,but i will be travelling out soon. Which state are you from, i guess ibo?

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          fierycjposted 15 years agoin reply to this

          Yep. Abia. And its spelt IGBO. Ibo is the Englishman's spelling, cos they couldn't pronunce the 'gb' in the colonial era.

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    nmsposted 15 years ago

    yes

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       fierycjposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Thanks for your honesty. Ignorant. But honest anyways.

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    fierycjposted 15 years ago

    Nigerians rule Baby! Yeah!

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       accofrancoposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       You are right baby, how is aba today?

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    Dame Scribeposted 15 years ago

    I don't know any Nigerians nor been there so can't say anything except hello

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       fierycjposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       hi. No problem. You just met yourself one. Lol.

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       accofrancoposted 15 years agoin reply to this

       Then you know me Dame?

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