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Senator Ma'am?

  1. tksensei profile image59
    tksenseiposted 8 years ago

    During a senate hearing, Barbara Boxer got a bit 'huffy' with a Brigadier General who addressed her as "ma'am." She rather indignantly demanded he address her as "Senator" instead.

    The General was obviously trying to be respectful in the manner in which he was accustomed, but do you ladies think she was being touchy or can you relate (after a fashion)?

    1. marinealways24 profile image60
      marinealways24posted 8 years ago in reply to this

      I heard this today on the radio. This is truly disgusting to me. A general who has volunteered his entire life to the country compared to a ignorant politician whom has volunteered nothing but ignorance.

      1. nicomp profile image59
        nicompposted 8 years ago in reply to this

        She's volunteered to confiscate our freedom and dignity. We aren't the only ones watching her dress down a military hero. Terrorists eat it up.

    2. Eaglekiwi profile image71
      Eaglekiwiposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      Oh I can relate ,not as Senator ( no shit sherlock) lol but as a non-american living in South Carolina . Everytime someone says Ma'am I just melt , its so lovely and sweet! yes respectful (even girls in a store will say it) smile Its courteous and doesnt make ladies feel old here.

  2. fierycj profile image79
    fierycjposted 8 years ago

    She just wants to be treated like her male counterparts, is all. Women love that stuff.

  3. tksensei profile image59
    tksenseiposted 8 years ago

    Yeah, but the very same day at another Senate hearing two Naval officers repeatedly referred to Sen. Roger Wicker as "sir" to no objection.

    1. fierycj profile image79
      fierycjposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      cos most of the time, men are men and dont feel the need to prove anything. Whereas women who attain a certain political height tends to feel the need to usurp her authority over male subordinates. They don't wanna feel like wuchmacallit, gender discriminated.

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        \Brenda Scullyposted 8 years ago in reply to this

        THAT is what you think is it young man

  4. Uninvited Writer profile image81
    Uninvited Writerposted 8 years ago

    "Sir" doesn't have the connotations that "ma'am" has.

    Many women are annoyed by that word because it makes them feel older. You wouldn't call a 20-year-old woman "ma'am" but you might call a 20-year-old man "sir". Personally, it doesn't bother me all that much if someone calls me "ma'am"

    Actually, I think both of them should have been referred to as Senator.

  5. marinealways24 profile image60
    marinealways24posted 8 years ago

    When in the military, we called every officer "sir" or "mam". If we would have addressed an officer by title, "captain", this would have been huge disrespect and they would look at us like we are fkn crazy then probably had us disciplined to make a point.

  6. Uninvited Writer profile image81
    Uninvited Writerposted 8 years ago

    Funny that I can only find this news story on Fox and a bunch of right-wing blogs. Today's talking point?

    Of course, you will say that shows the media bias. But...making a mountain out of a molehill much?

    People have the right to be referred to however they wish. I'm sure the general would not have like it had she called him "buddy".

    And if the President had called Sarah Palin "ma'am" instead of Governor you would all be in a stink.

    1. tksensei profile image59
      tksenseiposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      Obviously not the end of the world, just thought it was an interesting topic. No offense.




      Not at all.

  7. Eaglekiwi profile image71
    Eaglekiwiposted 8 years ago

    hmm..kinda agree with you there ,however women have had to fight hard for their voice and opinions to be taken seriously  over the years ,some men sadly , feel threatened when a woman is able to articulate better than he and feel somehow hormones dictate intelligence levels.

    On one hand,' whats good for the goose, is good for the gander' ,on the other hand, dont sweat the small stuff.

  8. Misha profile image73
    Mishaposted 8 years ago

    How many hands do you have, Kiwi? wink

    1. Eaglekiwi profile image71
      Eaglekiwiposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      Lemme count
      one + one = two
      ya need a hand misha , I gotta spare on the end of my arm lol smile

  9. marinealways24 profile image60
    marinealways24posted 8 years ago

    I'm simply trying to make the point that the General could have been thinking it as disrespectful to call the Senator by title "Senator", so he was trying to be respectful by calling her "mam". Then she made the arrogant comment to him. If you listen to her tone, her arrogance shines through her voice.

    1. Eaglekiwi profile image71
      Eaglekiwiposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      I hear ya marine.
      My answer was more of a general thought, not specific

  10. Misha profile image73
    Mishaposted 8 years ago

    LOL I thought kiwis don't have any, only wings, sort of tongue

    If fact scratch it, kiwis don't even have wings, they are almost round and green wink

    1. Eaglekiwi profile image71
      Eaglekiwiposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      Actually they do have wings (but are flightless)
      We use planes now days ,lol
      Was in my hub too ,makes them kinda unique ,dont ya think.
      Kiwibird..brown and feathered bird
      Kiwifruit..brown n furry and green fruit on the inside.smile

  11. moposan profile image54
    moposanposted 8 years ago

    matter of status and social domineering.

  12. livewithrichard profile image84
    livewithrichardposted 8 years ago

    Taking gender out of the equation and having reverence for her office is the right thing to do when in an official capacity such as a Senate hearing.  You wouldn't go in front of a female judge and call her Ma'am, would you? Especially if it were Judge Judy.  You would have reverence for her position and call her Your Honor.

    1. nicomp profile image59
      nicompposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      The point is that they're (supposed to be) on the same side. If he hurt her widdle feelings when he was trying to be respectful, she was completely out of line to disrespect him as she did.

      1. livewithrichard profile image84
        livewithrichardposted 8 years ago in reply to this

        They're not on the same side.  The military is accountable to the Congress.  She would have neve addressed Brig. Gen. Michael Walsh as Mr. Walsh.  Here is the remark:

        "You know, do me a favor," an irritated Boxer said. "Could say 'senator' instead of 'ma'am?'"

        "Yes, ma'am," Walsh interjected.

        "It's just a thing, I worked so hard to get that title, so I'd appreciate it, yes, thank you," she said.

        "Yes, senator," he responded.

        1. nicomp profile image59
          nicompposted 8 years ago in reply to this

          Let me clarify. They are on the same team. They are both working for the same goals. They both have as their ultimate goal the safety of American interests and carrying out the policies of the commander-in-chief. They are not adversaries.

          The military is actually accountable to the president, not the Congress.

          1. tksensei profile image59
            tksenseiposted 8 years ago in reply to this

            The fact that you have to explain all that really says a lot...

            1. livewithrichard profile image84
              livewithrichardposted 8 years ago in reply to this

              Don't know what country you live in but they are adversaries and they do not have the same goals.  They may both have the same intentions, to do good for the coutry but ultimately they have their own agendas to promote. 

              And yes TK the fact that I have to explain all that really does say a lot...

    2. moposan profile image54
      moposanposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      May be you are right.
      But calling female Ma'am is military tradition/regulation of very conservative institution. the man just said what he was taught to say-not his fault. And I am sure he would call the Judge -your Honour. And in this particular case her remark was certainly the way of underlining her status she even admitted that"she worked so hard to gain this position".

      1. livewithrichard profile image84
        livewithrichardposted 8 years ago in reply to this

        Agree but he is a Brig. General and I'm sure it wasn't his first time in front of a female member of the Senate.  It may just have been a slip of the tongue for him, which will remind him that a person in his position cannot afford slips of the tongue in public or private.  Look what happened to that Rep. in SC who made that "joke" on face book about Mrs. Obama.

        1. moposan profile image54
          moposanposted 8 years ago in reply to this

          The problem of gender indication adressings  is a bit overinflated and can be even distracting.people are better to be concentrated on good professional performance of their job not gender indications and Titles.

          1. Eaglekiwi profile image71
            Eaglekiwiposted 8 years ago in reply to this

            That would be all nice and dandy ,but since men thought up the idea of titles ,wouldnt be nice if they followed their own rules smile

            1. moposan profile image54
              moposanposted 8 years ago in reply to this

              I'm just saying that paying too much attention to it can be a bit counter-productive .

      2. marinealways24 profile image60
        marinealways24posted 8 years ago in reply to this

        Excellent point. I think the senator was henpecking.

        1. Eaglekiwi profile image71
          Eaglekiwiposted 8 years ago in reply to this

          hen-pecking ,cock-crowing hmmm

          1. marinealways24 profile image60
            marinealways24posted 8 years ago in reply to this
        2. moposan profile image54
          moposanposted 8 years ago in reply to this

          Exactly - agressive henpecking;)

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            Star Witnessposted 8 years ago in reply to this

            do you c lady liberty

  13. maven101 profile image75
    maven101posted 8 years ago

    I'm still confused over Ms, Miss, Mrs, Ma'am, lady, woman, your Honor, your Honoress, actor, actress, Chairman, chairlady, chairperson....
    So many little verbal traps lying in wait for the unsuspecting but well-intentioned white male...I doubt Boxer would have said anything to a female officer...

    1. Uninvited Writer profile image81
      Uninvited Writerposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      And that is why referring to her as Senator makes the most sense.

      1. maven101 profile image75
        maven101posted 8 years ago in reply to this

        I would agree with tk sensei in that the use of Ma'am and Sir are generic terms commonly used by the military when addressing superior officers...I think Ms Boxer understands that yet choose to denigrate this serving officer in public...perhaps there is some underlying animosity related to the general's prior service as Director of the Army Corps of Engineers in Sacramento during the 90's...He would have been responsible for handing out service related contracts at that time in Northern California...

  14. tksensei profile image59
    tksenseiposted 8 years ago

    The fact that you had to have it explained to you and that you still insist on missing the point that the poster was making really does say it all...

    1. nicomp profile image59
      nicompposted 8 years ago in reply to this

      I write a lot and I also teach at the college level, but I have no idea how to respond to him. Thanks for helping me out.

  15. Eaglekiwi profile image71
    Eaglekiwiposted 8 years ago

    Maybe men can say "Senator Ma'am" then everybody happy smile

    1. marinealways24 profile image60
      marinealways24posted 8 years ago in reply to this

      lol no way. Everyone is never happy. There is always hope. lol

      1. Eaglekiwi profile image71
        Eaglekiwiposted 8 years ago in reply to this

        oops no we  dont want that
        humans like to complicate things lol

        1. marinealways24 profile image60
          marinealways24posted 8 years ago in reply to this

          Work Harder, Not Smarter!! Thats our motto.

  16. profile image0
    Leta Sposted 8 years ago

    A non-issue.  Political grandstanding.  And that goes across the party lines (oh, amazing!).  Haven't we got enough other things to worry about?

    Makes me think of this chef I work with who needs to be called 'Executive Chef' in all the copy I right for him, or he throws a prima donna hissy fit.  I tend not to respect PEOPLE like that, ultimately.

  17. puppascott profile image75
    puppascottposted 8 years ago

    I think you have all missed the point. I have had my doubts as to whether she is a "ma'am" at all. Perhaps that was the rub.

 
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