Sometimes it seems that with the two party systeem there is a gang or mob mentality. Whether you are on one side of the fence or the other with party backed candidates like Sarah Palin or extreme leftist politicians like Al Franken there seems to be a blind following such as you have with the mob. The only difference seems to be one you pay with your life and the other you pay with your political life.
America should have more viable political parties and require a candidate get over half the votes before they can enter office.
Not sure which is which, but power is what's ruining Democracy. Party names and ideologies are just the icing on the cake.
That's what I mean. The founding fathers didn't plan for there being a two-party system, and a strong third party is still years off at best.
Well if we had control of our own government and that if is hard to imagine, the scenario could look a lot different. If there were no parties to deal with we would be able to exercise referendums and issue based voting in the process. We would have control over the tax code and have a balanced approach to government spending. Unfortunately the power is with the lobbyists and their influential money and how they don't care which party is in the White House or Congress. A third party would only last as long as it took for them to buy within their new party. Boy it sounds more and more like the mob doesn't it?
Government is an altruistic ideal manipulation of people.
Socialism, communism, republic, democracy it's all a system of control over people, because of the belief concept that people NEED to answer to a higher authority, as with religion.
Is the two party system another form of gang mentality? NO!
It's those in power giving off the perception to the people that their 'best interests' are being looked out for. They know- that the public is represented by both sides and you think that they are on your side, because they are public servants and work for the public.
When all the evidences points them doing a lousy job. And, shows the public that those who are in power are in control and refuse to give up their control or manipulation, which got them elected.
Politicians are greedy and dishonest.
Therefore, it lead one to conclude- Government is manipulation.
It's like World Federation Wrestling about 90% of the time. Most of these people in Congress are bought and paid for no matter which party they are in. Some Congress people are sincere and hold strong political views, but most of them are crooks who will take any lobbying dollars they can lay their hands on.
The trouble is, people watch cable news and turn it all into a sporting event. I don't think that's helpful or very intelligent.
The madness in American politics is visible to the rest of the world.
A larger percentage of Australians have a grasp of American politics missing in many Americans.
We have a 2 party system affectively with minor parties holding the balance of power in a few areas like environment.
What we do not have is a crazed bunch of fundies in our political system.
Well it isn't so mad if you are the one getting paid. The whole system is not set up to be a service. It is a money generating engine that is set up to serve those who run it.
Just like the mob there is little that can be done as long as the money flows and the right people are in charge.
I agree that Americans are too blind to see this crap because the politicians keep it spinning with their rhetoric and we are all too willing to hope on these slime bags to do the right thing. We are merely lemmings jumping off the cliff. It is a real shame that we let the slime bags misdirect on others with such dire and terrible results.
Don't be too sure. There's some talk circulating around the several states to call a Constitutional Convention. It'll be interesting to see if this idea catches on.
I hope you are right. Watch out for the Mob...... Uh Congress to stop it from happening.
They can't. If 3/4 of the states, 34 are currently needed, call for a Convention, it has to be done. To refuse would really open a can of worms. To oppose a Convention would pretty much kill and legitimacy the government has. Not to mention I think the government would, in that case, lose the support of the military. They might not act against the government, but they certainly won't act against the citizens of the US.
Constitutionally they can't stop it but in the real world there is too much money to be made by the politicians at the state levels to allow such a thing to take place. This is a great racket for them and they aren't going to lose it to something that can take it away. Even getting a referendum on the ballot seems to take far more effort than it rewards. Have you thought about the vote lately?
Normally you'd be right, but things are spiraling so out of control lately from both sides of the aisle that more and more people are looking for ways to break the power of the national government. One other idea that's gaining currency is nullification. Obama inadvertently opened the door when he told his Justice Department not to prosecute medical marijuana producers in CA. In effect, he's said that state law trumps national law in the case of medical marijuana.
Oh I don't know with the exception of the bunch in here most of the people I talk to are on the fence and most want to wait and see what happens. Obama is fairly popular while the honeymoon is over.
Really I shudder to think if some overthrow of power is in the works by congress. They don't have a good reputation for getting too much right. I don't know if you have ever caught Lewis Blacks' comedy routine but he said that "You have the democrats on one side of the isle screaming, we really have a s%%ty idea, And the republicans shout back. Oh yeah, we can make it s**tier". The best bet is to vote them out and keep on voting them out until they become fiscally responsible and govern with the voters wishes.
You are aware that half of the population doesn't vote, right? Those are the ones who will determine if a Convention is called and will be the ones attending it and selecting delegates.
Congress is already trying to make a power grab, they've been doing it for almost a century now. It's just become more and more apparent since 2000. Both parties are guilty. It's not so much that both parties advance bad ideas, but that they both advance ideas that benefit their supporters at the expense of everyone else. That everyone else seems to be getting fed up with it and are starting to stand up.
I mean look at how bad at discussing the Progressives are getting. Pretty much the only thing they have left are ad hominem attacks and tactics that Goebbels would know.
Yes I am more than aware of the statistics as to voter turn out. That is my point. But you will have a massive undertaking of a less than cooperative electorate to overcome the resistance that the two parties will unleash over a convention.
The politicians have been working for more than 200 years and this is one thing they can't get around. We have the power in our hands yet we don't use it. The two party system is weakening and more and more people who do vote are voting issues rather than party politics.
I am not for either party. I left the mob rule idea long ago but I do vote and I vote out the slime every chance I get.
Capitalism found its way into the ruling body. Mob metality? You bet!
Capitalism is not the problem....corupt government is the problem. It's true in any form of democracy mob rules. It's as old as the Roman Senate.
The capitalists are the ones who are corrupting the government.
Great job at pointing out the one thing that's been overlooked.
Incorrect- it's the capitalists that have a strangle-hold on politicians, because it's the capitalists that spend money on their campaigns and expect something in return, when they need it.
Thank you. That was the point I was trying to make.
The government is allowing itself to be corupted. In some cases the government attempts to constrain the capitalist, which only makes things worse....All a matter of perception.
What's interesting is that capitalist come in all flavors...Liberal, Conservitive and everything in between. This would indicate to me that Government should keep separate from the Economy as much as possible. Much like the separation of church and state. Same idea applies. The design of the US was based on a "free" market just as it was designed on "freedom" of religion. The governments role is to regulate....tax...protect...none of those words seem synonymous with "free"
But, then again, I stated to begin with.
Government is manipulation of the people.
It's ancient altruistic idea.
Had an extremely stressful day, thought I'd relax for a minute,
discuss some of the poitical concerns of the day, rationally. Unwind a bit. Ya'll are killing me.
It's official. Lou Dobbs is leaving CNN. He'll probably end up with the other pathetic loser, Glenn Beck on Faux News.
the two party system is definitely devolving. More people identify themselves as "Democrat" than "Republican". However, more people identify themselves as "Conservative" than "Liberal".
This tells me that much of the electorate sits somewhere in the middle of the far left and right.
What is kind of ironic is that the two major parties are trying to draw the independent back with the same old party line politics that made them leave their parties in the first place. Labeling them liberals for agreeing with a liberal issue and vice versa only strengthens the independents resolve to remain independent. Perhaps this is the revolution the country has been looking for. The eventual demise of relevence the party politics has and the beginning of an issue based electorate.
The differences between the two parties are pretty slight. Democracy ensures smooth continuity of the present model of capitalism with a few new ideas on managing social or economic issues rising up from one group or the other. It beats palace coups but don't expect serious change.
rhamson, that take on government is the closest to the truth anyone has come up with thus far. Damn! I can't stop laughing.
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