What do you think about teachers now in training to carry concealed weapons in class?
Reading about Utah teachers, (and some other states) taking a training class to carry a concealed weapon into class without parents knowledge or approval, along with a lot of staff members being unaware, or any other regulation is just disturbing on so many levels for me. What do you think?
I think it is a stupid idea. All around just stupid. First of all these guns will be of no good in case of an emergency because they will have to be locked away. Second there are far more teachers who hurt children than people who shoot up schools. I just don't see how this is of any benefit at all.
I couldn't agree with you more. If this were to ever happen in our school district there would be a mass exodus of people homeschooling or moving.
Sorry peeples they are taking concealed weapons classes where they will be carrying them on their person. This is still allowed as I commented in ThompsonPen answer in several states and they're hoping for more.
Thats even worse. I know how small kids are and I wouldn't want my son who has a touching habit trying to hug his teacher while she has a gun on her hip. EVEN WORSE!!!
Great. Now teachers will have the ability to rape children at gunpoint.
i don't agree with it, but I understand it. I don't think weapons should be concealed. That is why we are able to instill fear in others. I think we need to worry about getting the guns off of the street. How? I don't know. But, having them in the school is not going to make parents feel assured that their children are safe in school. How do we know a teacher will not get fed up one day and pull their gun out? We have to draw the line somewhere.
Then whose to say a student who gets pissed off that day and has noticed the bulging weapon under clothing just overtakes the teacher and takes more lives. It's just easier access. What happens when the teacher thinks they see a gun and shoots them
Exactly my point which is why I don't think they should be allowed in schools.
What shouldn't be allowed in schools...teachers or guns? I think they both pose a barrier to attaining knowledge.
Sorry, Renee. I thought that is what you meant, but I did not want to be found guilty of assuming too much. :0)
Anything to save another precious life, especially a child. If they get a concealed weapons permit they can carry them on their body. An ounce of prevention. I guarantee the parents in Sandy Hook had wished there would have been an armed teacher or principle. They wouldn't be missing their children for the rest of their lives. Even the presence of guns will deter these maniacs from going to these schools. These people do not want to go to a gun fight! They want to go to a slaughter. Even just knowing there are a few staff members with guns will be a deterant for these cowards.
If the presence of guns deterred criminals the US would be the safest place on earth. The last thing we need are teachers packing. If you get ambushed the chances of you killing the perp are slim to none.
I disagree with you JThomp as a 3 day training class they are conducting in Ohio now (not one of the states where concealed weapons are allowed in schools) is no match for a hyped up disturbed individual who takes them by surprise Just easier access
And what about the mentally-disturbed teacher?
Guns are not a solution. Outlawing guns is not a solution, either.
We have an undisclosed third party stirring up divisiveness and enmity in America. Agents provocateur to topple 2nd Amendment & mo
Most teachers are women, and as such, probably will falter under combat style scenarios like Jessica Lynch - a trained soldier. It's illegal to draft women into war, but now they want female teachers on the front lines in schoolhouse gunfights. Great
A complete answer is large and complicated, but without the knowledge of parents is unconscionable. Everyone should know.
I think that is fine and good for protection. We should have that here.
I just don't see how a gun-wielding librarian and the lunch lady are going to win the day. I could be wrong, but I just don't see it.
While I agree with you CJ I can't help but notice you only point to women as being those who would freeze - Men freeze up too. It's a bad idea all around whatever gender.
I will say, you offer a laughable picture Maybe more police officers on campus would be a better option.
Leah: I would do almost anything to see you smile again.
Christin: The reason I focused on females is that they comprise over 75% of the workforce within the schools. Yes, men can freeze up, too, but they're better geared for this kind of conflict
I think this country has lost its mind with fear and paranoia which leads to a lot of irrational decisions. The NRA's sole purpose is not to protect gun rights but to guarantee profits at all costs for the arms dealers and gun manufacturers. The fact that so many are willing to buy into this nonsense due to fear and put other people's children at even greater risk is beyond disturbing.
There was a study done on conceal carry several years ago that was aired on Nightline or one of those shows. I wish people would look it up and educate themselves. They trained people to conceal carry and proved that without regular and routine combat training - a concealed weapon will do you no good in an ambush. You are more likely to freeze, get yourself killed or hit an innocent bystander than your target. People need to get a grip seriously.
Are they actually doing that? I know it was getting tossed around, but i didn't know it was getting put into practice.
I don't see it as a good idea. I think that yes, we should be putting more care into the protection of schools, however, teachers did not go into their job intending to carry a gun. Who's to say they have the right mental state for it? Let's say, heaven forbid that there's a person going through a midlife crisis. Their parents die, they find out they didn't get the promotion they were after, their significant other of 35 years leaves them, they find out they have skin cancer and to top it all off, their dog gets hit by a car. Then there's these kids that are just rambunctious that day and the teacher snaps.
i think you have to have a certain psychological training to be able to bring your gun to work. I mean look at cops, they are required to undergo lots of training as well as therapy to ensure that they are safe for the job.
I don't think it's a good idea. We had officers in our school who patrolled the school and had a gun, and that was enough for me. It was a little terrifying the first time I saw that, but I got used to it and understood why they were there.
Teachers become teachers to teach, not to wield weapons.
It depends on the teacher. Some I could support enthusiastically should they want to equip themselves to defend their students in the event of an attack. Others I've known couldn't be trusted with butter knives.
That is very true, but I don't think any of them (without previous training) can take a 3 or 4 day course and be ready psychologically or physically for that type of disturbing event.
Overcoming such a weakness would be a mere matter of adequate preparation. Absent that, your argument steers us back to putting trained armed guards in the schools rather than arming the teachers, i.e. to LaPierre's proposal.
This choice is irresponsible. I understand the fear the teaching staff may have, but this is not the answer. Even some teachers are unstable and can you just imagine what that outcome can be, especially if a child found the teacher's gun? Someone recently stated that there are a lot of returning vets out there looking for jobs....and how ideal it would be to post them as school security at each and every school. This seems like a more logical solution, though it may have a few kinks in it too!
Guns are not the answer.
Outlawing guns is not the answer, either!
A better educational system is what is needed. We need to empower children and plant the seed of enthusiasm for learning. The current system does little or none of this. Look at what Jaime Escalante did. We need a school system full of his kind of teacher.
As for mad gunmen, we need to find out where they came from.
There is a faction in the world (not just America) that wants to divide us and to stir up trouble. Chaos creates a new kind of democracy where their dollars and euros speak far louder than individuals. They want to dismantle America and they've made great strides toward that end. America is no longer home of the brave and land of the free. We have the unPatriot Act to thank for that. We have the lies of 9/11, the tyranny of NDAA and the President's "kill list" to thank for that.
Behind every persisting conflict you'll usually find an undisclosed third party fanning the flames of that conflict, just as we found British agents acting as terrorists in Iraq. It probably happens far more often than our Corporate Party news media would have us believe.
Anyone who thinks 9/11 is old news, needs to have their head examined. Policy is still made because of that event. Laws that are dismantling America are still being made because of 9/11. Do we want to go down that path?
Would you want to go down that path if you knew that 9/11 was an inside job, instead of a terrorist attack?
Polarizing attitudes and knee-jerk reactions is what the power elite of the world expect us to do. They're using our own egos against us -- playing them like a symphony.
This teachers-with-guns issue is only a small part of the larger mission to overturn the 2nd Amendment. A citizenry without guns cannot fight the tanks and foreign military that are already on domestic soil. Posse comitatus is dead, just like habeas corpus.
Real justice is to create a new educational system and to walk away from the Corporate Party -- boycott the big bruisers who want to rule the world at the cost of millions of lives and the enslavement of humanity.
Sound extreme? Sound absolutely loony? I never thought that in America it would be a felony to protest what the government is doing, but now it is (HR 347).
I never thought the government would commit a felony by cleaning up the biggest crime scene in history before an investigation could be conducted.
Most of the teachers I remember were busy stuffing cookies into their faces. I wouldn't expect them to be very useful with a handgun in an emergency.
One has to be interested in guns in order to be effective with them. Drawing a weapon, cocking it, taking it off safe, pointing it, and actually hitting anything more than 5 feet away looks easy in movies. But a frumpy school marm may have trouble if she feels she is under threat.
Some people in our nation are very, very stupid sometimes.
Wrong. Some people in our nation are stupid ALL the time. Jessica Lynch was a trained soldier, but when her convoy was ambushed and the the chips got down, she froze up and played dead. It's illegal to draft women into combat...unless your a teacher.
I guess it could be dangerous now for parents to show up late for Parent/Teacher conferences. :0)
Everytime I read a thread or commentary about the gun issue , I'm reminded of the childrens story about "The Big Bad Wolf " , There seems more of a paranoia around the thought of protection by firearms . I also believe that its human nature to expect "someone else " to take care of all of ot our needs ,houghts of self victimization come to mind , Here's the thing , and you have to use your imagination , what do you do when thier breaking in your door in the night ? Not the gun police but the criminal . Say "please don't hurt me ".........? One well trained guardian could have saved these kids ! And yet you to continue wringing your hands in mass paranoia ! No not every teacher , maybe not even any teacher , but one well trained individual ? Yes..
Not a great idea. No matter what, we shall avoid violence whenever possible. Carry, store and use the weapons cannot brings a better impact for our life.
I don't think in the end it will be a very efficient solution. Teachers are asked to do more and more to substitute for parenting, Now they have to play sheriff too! it's not their job to provide security on school campuses. So, this might be a temporary fix until a teacher accidentally shoots a student, or a student gets a hold of the teacher's gun and kills someone accidentally. Something like that is statistically bound to happen. And then what? Back to the good old days? If there was an obvious, reliable solution to this major problem, it would have been found already, which is not the case. In my opinion, what needs to change (and good luck with that) is people's mentality. The US is not the only country where people are allowed to own and carry guns, but it certainly seems to be the nation where most of this senseless killings take place. As for a ban on guns, it would be unrealistic to think that it would solve the problem entirely. Maybe it would help some, but most likely, it would start the creation of a black market and the situation would probably become worse. Look what happened during the prohibition years ! In any case, teachers carrying guns on campuses is not the right solution, in my opinion.
Yep I believe the only thing that will come out of this temporary solution will be like you said an accident or something devastating enough to bring it to a halt I do think that the solution is teaching kids respect for life itself without violence
I didn't know about this, myself. I don't think it's right for them to carry a concealed weapon without the parents knowledge! The parents should know about it! I would give anything if it were like it was when I was in school, when we didn't have to be concerned about students carrying guns to school. Our parents taught us that guns were dangerous and not to fool with them!
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