Some Whites say they're real Southerners but don't think Blacks, Hispanics or Indians are, why not?
MANY BLACKS, HISPANICS AND INDIANS WERE BORN AND RAISED IN THE SOUTH DOSEN'T THAT MAKE THEM REAL SOUTHENERS?
HAD TO DELETE MY FIRST VERSION OF THIS QUESTION BECAUSE IT WASN'T STATED CORRECTLY
Again I have never met anyone who had that view. I went through over 30 foster homes in my teen years of all different races and never heard of someone who didn't count others born down here as southern simply because of race. I guess that isn't saying everybody agrees on the subject, but I certainly don't think the majority of white people believe non whites are non southerners.
Who would say that? I have never heard anyone express those views.
Brother of mine, am I black or white or indian or asian? I am born and raised in Arizona. I am a Southerner and yet aligned with the North. What crime have I committed? You need to understand we are what we chose to be, I choose to be a friend of Indians, married to Asian and part Black by history. What fool-hearty term would I label myself with by your standards?
I am not your grandfathers' Southerner but I am a Proud Southerner.
What most people don't understand is that the Southern culture is an amalgamation of various cultures (Irish, Scottish, German, French, Native, African, and in the more recent years, Latin/Hispanic). In fact, the most heavily-contributed cultures are Scots-Irish and Afro-American. So part of the answer could be simple ignorance.
But another answer, historically, could be the fact that, for a very long time, Southern culture was tied up in the idea of the nostalgic Antebellum era of large plantations, gentlemanly attitudes, big poufy dresses, and a Southern aristocracy of wealthy white people. This was an attempt by Southerners to romanticize the days prior to the Civil War and the ending of slavery (the actual Antebellum period). They yearned for their old way of life back and so they took great efforts to romanticize anything about that period - which meant a great deal of whitewashing took place in their collective memories and thus, our notion of what a Southerner is.
But that's all if you're talking about a Southerner in terms of culture and not geographer location. If you're talking about an actual Southerner as in - I was born in the area of the United States deemed "Southern" - then anyone born in that region is a Southerner and people who argue otherwise are just being foolish.
You hit the nail right on the head about romancing the Antebellum era and whitewashing that history and what a Southerner is.
Thus far you're the only one who understands why I asked this question.
I do not buy into this fairy tale notion. A whole culture built upon a contrived fiction of the past? Are we to believe that your southerners are Rhett Butlers incarnate --- or worse think they are?
I'm not saying all Southerners subscribe to the notion but for a long time after the War, a lot of Southerners (especially former slave holders) DID try to romanticize their old way of life. Which is why some today might see it as "white" culture.
I do believe that nowadays we are speaking of abhorrent behavior. My roots are bound by tradition to oppose the federal government. So be it. My love of old traditions and chivalry stand true, but I balk at chauvinistic notions. Am I southern?
The civil war was 150 yrs ago. Schools, work places, sports, etc have all moved on long ago, you should too. You're describing something out of a movie made 60yrs ago not real life.
Brandi Cooper said not all southerners.
So it doesn't apply to those of you who that shoe doesn't fit.
It doesn't fit me born in Mississippi
But what about southern white supremacist, neo-nazi, klan groups and those who who sympathize with them?
so I guess that means you implicitly agree with Brandi because what's abhorrent behavior to you is not abhorrent behavior to those who still hold those views
No Weasey, Brandi is putting a factual historic theory to the test objectively.
I am claiming through an opinionated belief that is subjective, that people who do in fact hold those views are mentally sick. Brandi is being factual, I am judgmental.
I'm white lived in the south my whole life and never ran across anyone with that point of view. If you live in a city with that belief you should think about moving.
Because they are racists. It's ironic, because if you want to see an actual early 20th-Century white southerner anymore, you have to look at the black people in the south. They still carry the dress and manners of the old south, while the whites are culturally heterogenous with the rest of the country. I want to point out that most white southerners are not real southerners anymore. I meet people with Texas accents all the time who were born in Michigan or Ohio and who came here for one job opportunity or another. Football and sports are very big in the south now, even though they all originated in the midwest and northeast and were brought here. The worst thing the Yankees ever did was bring their stupid religious nonsense to the south when they found out we had tax breaks for churches down here. Now we're the "Bible Belt" and we get dumber every day. But make no mistake, most of these churches are operated by first and second generation southerners who ham it up with the phony accent. We used to have one large evangelical church in my hometown where the pastor/owner was Scottish. Most old-school southerners were brought up to distrust preachers. Southerners always went to church, but it didn't used to mean anything. True southern culture is an offshoot of British culture, where hyopcrisy is the norm.
Well said, making this notion a rallying cry is only an attempt to get readership and a silly cost.
Him or me? I actually don't need readership since I'm not registered to make money on Hubpages. I do this for fun.
Hahahaha that's funny "where hypocrisy is the norm"
I had to laugh, but what you say is serious and probably true
You say "Well said, making this notion a rallying cry is only an attempt to get readership and a silly cost."
You're kind of right but for the wrong reasons.
This question is not a rallying cry.but it's definitely about readership because I want to see what readers answers are to the question.
If no readers..why do I need a question?
Oh yeah! Boy you can really get rich on hubpages!
(of course I jest)
Of course your analysis is correct and mine was flippant -- and quite honestly, rude. Mia Culpa.
Thanks Ericdierker that's one of the things I appreciate about you
is your sincerity and honesty
Unfortunately, some people are not well educated. Some are racist. Others are just buying into a Hollywood version of what Southern means. Anyone born or mostly raised in the South is Southern. I lived there for many years but I don't think you can call me Southern anymore, even though I married a boy next door from Arkansas, lived in Virginia and my kiddo spoke with a Southern accent and said her favorite state was Alabama... We are actually, by culture and behavior, and now by accent and many years residing here, Californians... Funny how a few years can really change folks. So, if anyone ever says that someone's not Southern because they aren't white, let me tell you somethin' honey...
"His elevator don't go all the way to the top."
"He's one fry short of a Happy Meal."
"That makes about as much sense as tits on a bull."
"He couldn't find his own ass with both hands stuck in his back pockets."
and last, but not least...
"He's about as useless as a screen door on a submarine."
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