Healthcare as a right

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   CarolAnnHeadrickposted 12 years ago

   Healthcare as a right
   
   Do you believe that people have the right to force others to perform services or use their skills for them without paying, as in the right to healthcare?

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   Laura Schneiderposted 12 years ago

   A friend of mine is in the medical field and told me once that the hypocratic oath she took prevented her from NOT treating anyone who came to her whom she was capable of helping, regardless of their ability to pay. The example she gave was that if a mass murderer came to a doctor with a problem the doctor knew how to solve, the oath forbade the doctor from saying no. If the problem required a specialist, only then could the doctor say "no". (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippocratic_Oath)
   
   So, yes, I believe in the right to healthcare just as I believe in the right to education for all in the US. Just as I believe in the right to breathe clean air and drink clean water from the tap. It is American. To NOT provide healthcare to the needy would be barbarously inhumane, in my opinion. "They're poor, so they can just suffer and die, regardless of how they became poor." Is that the message we want to send to our population of people who can sometimes be so sick that they DO fall on hard times and become poor? It's okay to provide soup kitchens but not to provide insulin for their Type 1 diabetes? Okay to risk numerous divers and provide donations to mid-upper-class families whose idiot teen went missing by driving his snowmobile on thin ice and after dark, but not okay to treat asthma in a little poor girl who's coughing up blood in a homeless shelter? I think it's inhumane (and stupid to waste money and risk divers looking for the dead boy--he'll float up in a few days anyway, not to be morbid, just accurate).

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      JON EWALLposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      President Obama working for the middle class and the poor
      the mainstream media  didn't report?3/10/12
      The Obama's don't want this video to be seen in 2012
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v_2s4tob5U8

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      Laura Schneiderposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I answered the basic question, politics aside. I believe Pres. Obama is a good president, representing all people as best he can with a fractioned congress. He's no more/less perfect than anyone, he just has the toughest job with impossible standards

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   Georgie Loweryposted 12 years ago

   If I don't pay my doctor the money I owe her, she doesn't have to see me anymore.
   
   Also, regarding free health care or poor people getting medical care for free or however people are phrasing it - I sincerely hope that those who are not in favor of giving a helping hand never need one themselves.

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      Laura Schneiderposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I love your statement, "I sincerely hope that those who are not in favor of giving a helping hand never need one themselves". So true and profound! Even the rich, given chronic severe illness, will need a helping hand eventually, sadly.

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      CarolAnnHeadrickposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      There is a huge difference between giving a helping hand or charity and being forced by law to service someone.

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      Georgie Loweryposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Like I said, if I don't pay my doctor, she doesn't have to see me.

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   JON EWALLposted 12 years ago

   The government is based on the Constitution of the United States. NOWHERE in the document gives citizens the right to healthcare.Local, state and the federal government provides hospitals and clinics to service the poor and people who do not have insurance.In cases needing emergency care No DOCTOR OR HOSPITAL will deny anyone immediate care or service.The President and//or Congress are required to enforce the laws as signed by the President.Executive orders are unconstitutional to change or alter the written law without the approval of Congress.Congress makes law and Presidents enforces law. AMEN

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      Laura Schneiderposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Presidents can affect and veto laws (Constitution Sec. 2, Art. 7) unless refuted by greater than 2/3rds of each house of Congress: Congress is biased whereas the Pres. was elected by all citizens' electorates to represent all. Can't enforce laws, tho

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      LandmarkWealthposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      What does this have to do with anything.  The President cannot alter the constitution and make healthcare a right.  Nor can any President arbitrarily ratify the constitution, or pass a law which usurp's the constitution.

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      Laura Schneiderposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I was simply commenting on your last statement, "Congress makes law and Presidents enforces law. AMEN", not your entire post. (Sorry, very limited space to comment effectively.) You are correct--the constitution is silent on healthcare, either way.

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      LandmarkWealthposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      Not my comment.  FYI Article 2 only has 4 sections. I believe you mean Article 1 Section 7.  Which clearly states that no bill become law without having first passed both houses of congress.  The 2/3 rd's vote is to bypass Presidential approval.

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      Laura Schneiderposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      You are correct, my mistakes on all counts: Art. 1, Sec. 7!, And the quote was from Jon Ewall, not you, LandmarkWealth. I seem to be especially stupid today, sorry (Benedryl for allergies is my only "excuse"). I'll shut up until it wears off. :-)

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      LandmarkWealthposted 12 years agoin reply to this

      I stick with the Flonase.  Benadryl sucks

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