With the recent decisions by the Supreme Court, are we losing the fabric that on

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   claptonaposted 9 years ago

   With the recent decisions by the Supreme Court, are we losing the fabric that once made up the U.S.?
   
   Changing laws to fit decisions, deciding that homosexuals can marry,  getting rid of the Ten Commandments everywhere in the U.S.A..
   Is everything offensive to everyone except those who would like to hold onto traditions and beliefs?
   Seems odd that it's mostly Christians that are being zeroed in on and discriminated against.
   You're thoughts?

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   wba108@yahoo.composted 9 years ago

   There is no doubt about it, Christians and Christian values are being targeted in America. Christians are the largest group left that is fair game to discriminate against.
   
   Even though our post modern culture has done its best to hide the true foundations of America, all you need to do is observe the countless references to Christ in our nations capital to prove how central Christianity was to our founding.
   
   Although America, never adopted an official state religion, it was founded on Christian principles and ideas. The founders made it clear that our form of government would only succeed with a moral and Christian people's.
   
   It's no mistake that Christians are being systematically singled out, Barack Obama has been the first American president to publically deny that America is a Christian nation. U.S. presidents from George Washington to Geoerge Bush have declared America a Christian nation, even the Supreme Court has declared America a Christian nation two times, the latest being in the 1950's.
   
   I am hopeful though and belief America will soon experience another great spiritual awakening that will turn back the secular tide.

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      claptonaposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Well wba108,
      Thanks for a well thought out answer.
      I appreciate you taking the time to write it.
      Cheers

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      cathylynn99posted 9 years agoin reply to this

      70% of the country identifies as christian. that hardly makes christians a persecuted minority.

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      Austinstarposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Exactly, Cathylynn - 30% of the country is the part experiencing persecution!

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   Austinstarposted 9 years ago

   1. What laws are being changed? The marriage equality decision is an enactment of laws already on the books and in the constitution.
   2. No one is getting rid of the 10 commandments. You are free to display them at your home or your church. You do not have the right to display religious iconography on public, multi-religious property. The government cannot play favorites.
   3. You are still free to practice your religion and your beliefs. Sorry, that you are no longer allowed to force others to practice your traditions and beliefs if they don't want to, or if they have different traditions and beliefs than you do. You have been infringing on their beliefs, not being persecuted for practicing your religious beliefs and traditions. You are still free to do so.
   4. If Christians are being "zeroed in on and discriminated against", it is your right to pursue a petition to the government same as everyone else is. But you are not allowed to enact religious law in this country as per our constitution.
   If you want religion to run your life, feel free to follow your religion - in your homes and churches and stay out of our legal rights as citizens who frequently are offended by your bigoted ways.

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      claptonaposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      The Constitution does not talk abut marriage.
      Religious displays have been a part of American life since the founding of the country.
      Name calling seems to be the answer to most of the messages coming from those that espouse this drivel.
      Ciao

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      Austinstarposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      I haven't called any names. I said that Christian ways were bigoted. And they are. Just displaying religious icons does not make it ok to do so. It is offensive to many. The constitution governs people's RIGHTS!  Try reading it.

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      Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      When the constitution overrules God's Words, it's in trouble & we as a nation will suffer!  Title VII protects both Religion & Sex NOW (2012)! How is the Govt going to rule against itself?  We'll see which one takes precedent but my guess "LG

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      lovemychrisposted 8 years agoin reply to this

      hold on. arent you the old guard, too? i thought only one persona allowed in questions and forums? how many people are you in forums????

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   thranaxposted 9 years ago

   Allowing Gay marriage isn't making us lose the fabric that makes up the U.S. at all. I am a strait male from Massachusetts whos family links directly back to assisting in the American Revolution and I have the certificate to prove it. We all came from different countries, different backgrounds, different races to be part of this nation. We fought to be free to do whatever we want, while also stating a separation of church and state etc etc. Gay marriage to me falls under being separate from the state. While state laws legalize it in the legal terms of property and declaration, I fell they should be free to do what it is they want - as free as you and me. We forced black slaves to come here and Chinese workers. With them came different races, cultures, and religion. We gave them freedom and in return they gave us their cultures. I listen to rap music, I love eating Chinese food, and I had a Jewish professor teach me and help me grow. I honestly don't understand why people are so tied up on this. Other people don't exclusively do things to make your life bad. They don't wish to impose on you or take away from what your traditions are. If you are standing behind your religion and thats the only reason you dislike homosexual marriage then you should pray god saves their souls and they go to the promise land with you. In the meantime, god gave you, them, and everyone else currently alive a chance to live, prosper, experience, and reproduce before returning to him. Just like an upset child or argumentative teenager, these people don't follow the rules - its their problem not yours. People shouldn't have to be hostile or disapprove of something so small and simple, let them one day answer for what they do until then why not experience life together in harmony. As far as I can tell, god put us all together for a reason, and im sure that reason wasn't to taunt, judge, make fun of, hate, disrespect, or kill each other. Im pretty sure it was to think, develop, grow, inspire, help, and love each other.
   
   Those are my thoughts, the quicker people accept its happened, happening, and has been happening for years the quicker we can move past it and return to advancing our entire race of mortals.
   
   ~thranax~

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      lovemychrisposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Great comment!

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      claptonaposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Interesting take on "the fabric" that once underpinned the culture of the U.S.
      "Our constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other." John Adams
      The state oversteps in many ways.

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      lovemychrisposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      So who are all these clowns bombing people? Bet every single general goes to church. Whats moral about cutting taxes for rich, while poor starve? In fact, what is so christ-like about america? When has it ever been?

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      Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Agreed Sandie!  Is 5:20 "Right is wrong & Wrong is right!"
      
      Great response Andrew!

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   lovemychrisposted 9 years ago

   No--people are being made equal, that's all. And the ruling force doesn't like it.10 commandments belong in Church...period. Homosexuals are equal citizens, not aberrations. The fact that we have religion so prominent in gvt has been the travesty! "Let's say a prayer before we cut someone's food stamps, or bomb someone's family." Christianity is not under attack, Christianity dominating us all is ending. Altho: I hope the traditions will remain. Christmas is the best time of year....love everything about it. But really--if we are to be equal, every religious holiday should be honored, right? Maybe it's other religions that feel under attack by Christians? Where are their school holidays?

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      claptonaposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      As Picard said, "Make it so".
      "The fabric" may not be that the state has any right to decide who or what gets married.
      My belief is that nothing is "moral" or "immoral" in America, these days.
      "Right" and "wrong" concepts have been lost.
      JMHO

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      lovemychrisposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Yes, because it has always been right for some, wrong for others. If you have enough money, you can be right almost all the time!

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   M. T. Dremerposted 9 years ago

   The U.S. is not perfect. The constitution needed amendments, because it wasn't perfect. And new laws are constantly being created and challenged, because they aren't perfect. The 'fabric' that makes up the U.S. is one of constant change and progress. The strength of this country is its adaptability. Sometimes change comes kicking and screaming, but it still has to come. Because if we don't change, the rest of the world will pass us by.
   
   I certainly hope that Christians never have to feel the kind of oppression their extremists have inflicted on minorities, past and present.

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      claptonaposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Understood. M.T. Dremer.
      That's a good question at the end of your comment.
      Are no "morals" held through thick and thin?
      Not killing, not stealing?
      We do both - execute and tax (robbery by law)
      What's an eternal truth?
      Thanks for your comment

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      Austinstarposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      The only eternal truth is that Life goes on...

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      Norine Williamsposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      The only eternal truth is "Death is inevitable" & your "reward" will be given!

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   junksellerposted 9 years ago

   Your moral outrage should have been in the beginning some 40 years ago or so when Christians via state power acted to prevent a certain group of people form exercising their free will.
   
   Those Christians, behaving immorally, have been corrected, through the significant efforts of a great many people, yet, rather then learning from their past moral failings, all we seem to get is moans of persecution.
   
   Being corrected for immorally discriminating against people is not persecution, it is justice, which is, along with equality, the real threads that make up the fabric of this great nation.
   
   Sorry, but you guys are wrong. And you are the same sort of people who were wrong about not wanting women to vote, black men to be more then three-fifths of a man, or inter-racial couples getting married.
   
   All life dies, and that includes traditions (not that I think an actual tradition has died in this case), and while I am somewhat sympathetic to the plight of old dudes pining away on their old stumps of days gone past, this particular stump deserved to die, and I have very little sympathy for those shedding tears on its remains.
   
   It is a new day, wake up and enjoy it
   
   or don't.
   
   But for Pete's sake, please stop acting like YOU the persecutor are the one being picked on because people have been taken out from under your thumb. That, my friend is freedom, which smells really fantastic. If you can't smell it, then perhaps some nostril cleaning is in order. My suggestion would be to blow really hard. You may find that you had a couple bible passages shoved up there a bit too far.

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      claptonaposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Interesting answer.
      If this is the "new" day, the "new" freedom, I'm sure glad I left the U.S.
      Thanks for sharing.

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      lovemychrisposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      +1 junkseller!

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   Old-Empresarioposted 9 years ago

   No sir. I do not follow Old Testament laws that were never made for the Goyim. I hear what you're saying though. And not to nitpick, but the 10 Commandments don't say anything about homosexuality. I know this is elaborated more in Leviticus, so maybe that's what we're talking about here: Hebrew Mosaic Law. I'm not Jewish. I don't follow the Sabbath (that's on Saturday by the way; not Sunday). I don't celebrate Passover. I don't attend Synagogue. I trim the hair at my temples and I often shave if I feel like it. I also broke mosaic law, because I once touched someone who clearly had a skin discoloration. I eat unclean animals, like pigs and crustaceans. One of my worst offenses against the laws of Moses I routinely commit is that I do not lock my wife up in a tent for a week when she is on her "womanly period".
   
   All that being said, I have an important policy regarding what other people choose to do with their lives called "mind my own business". Yes, queers can be annoying (especially the women) on these issues. But I'm not queer, so I don't care if they get married or not. This issue has no effect on my life at all. And I think if Jesus were here today, he would be focused on things like poverty, starvation and violence more than on what people choose to do in the confines of their own bedrooms as consenting adults. But maybe some Christians are bigger busybodies than others. And we're only talking about legal marriages here. Most churches don't recognize these as marriages in God's eyes. So the government is not controlling the churches.

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      Austinstarposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      I love it! Can I quote you? It's time to get everyone into the 21st century!

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      claptonaposted 9 years agoin reply to this

      Old-Empresario,
      Thanks for you well thought out comment.
      You've made some good points.
      If you look at history and what Jesus said - poverty  and starvation will always be with us. As will violence.
      Thx for your opinions.
      Cheers

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