What happens if both Bernie and Trump run third party after being denied nominat

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  1. RJ Schwartz profile image91
    RJ Schwartzposted 2 years ago

    What happens if both Bernie and Trump run third party after being denied nominations?

    Continued conversations about how a third party run could give an easy victory to the other side, but has anyone considered multiple third party candidates?  We see many parties in European elections but never really considered it in American politics.

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  2. lovemychris profile image67
    lovemychrisposted 2 years ago

    It's the only decent thing for them both to do. After all, with the public support they have, who needs the parties they both are trashing? Trump is self funded, and Sanders is raising, and spending, more money than Hillary. He is not a Democrat, and let's face it, Trump doesnt know what he is.
    I see it as such hypocrisy for them to continue on biting the hand that feeds them. Trump looks as though he's willing to conform to the  establishment, but Sanders is completely abusing his host.
    Both should really run Independent. It's an established third one, and Nader has already run on it for prez. And that after all, is the party ole Bern identifies as.
    What are they afraid of? Oh don't answer that, we all know. They like the established set up. And it is affording them all their voters.
    Be honest brokers, or keep tearing the parties apart. Will show some true honesty and integrity. And do it now, not after the nom process.
    #notholdingmybreath

    1. RJ Schwartz profile image91
      RJ Schwartzposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      It would be the shake-up neither party saw coming - and would be a real chance for America to break free of the two party system

    2. lovemychris profile image67
      lovemychrisposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Yes! We definitely need that. And there is Green party, Independent party, Libertarian party, Constitution party, Peace and Freedom party already....whoever is out there. They all need an equal voice. I just resent using it for votes while dissing it

    3. RJ Schwartz profile image91
      RJ Schwartzposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      But those parties haven't had much luck because they can't get a powerful enough "voice" as most everyone sees a third party as a route to nowhere

    4. lovemychris profile image67
      lovemychrisposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Well,Trump and sanders could change that right now.They could take all their voters with them to a third party.Right now. It's THEY who like the status quo.Because it give them outsider status.BE outsiders!Be true to the words they speak.#whenpigsfly

  3. tsmog profile image82
    tsmogposted 2 years ago

    Thanks for the learning opportunity.

    In Europe most of the head of states are chosen by the ruling body of elected officials. There are differences with voting processes by nation for those positions. The impact of voting for multiple parties is at that level. So, that would be compared to the elections of congress and not the president. But, congress does not appoint the president.

    France is an exception as their president is elected by a two round runoff system. That system if no one has a majority say 45% then candidates are eliminated and there is a second vote. There is still distinction there with liberal and conservative mindsets, but how far contrast moderate may have impact. For instance elimination may remove the conservative candidates and be two liberals on the second ballot with differences of mindset.

  4. bradmasterOCcal profile image28
    bradmasterOCcalposted 2 years ago

    Ralph the root cause of the decline of the US since the 70s has been based on the loyal party voter supporting two dysfunctional parties. The parties are divergent in their goals. The loyal party voters think that their party has the solutions, and the other party is causing the problems. Neither is true, as both parties have caused the problems, and neither party has had the solutions. This is verifiable simply by looking at the history of their track records.

    We have been continually at War, and yet the politicians have ensured that we lose the war, which is the case. The US hasn't won a war since 1898. Winning a war means that the underlying issues that gave us reason to enter the war have been resolved. Winning a war is not just a military victory.

    We have had many independent parties in the US, but none that have gained traction ever. If Bernie and Donald do go the Independent Route, it would be a chance to take down the loyal two party monopoly. Having independents in congress would break the gridlock, but only if they were there in numbers.

    It is doubtful that the Republicans would win the election without Trump simply because the party has shown its power to control who THEY want in the party, and without regard to the party voters.

    It is We the People and NOT We the Party.
    Clinton versus Cruz would be in jeopardy if Sanders, and Trump went Independent. I hope that this election campaign can wake up the loyal party voter, and see that they are merely faithful dogs to their party. Remember in the End, the parties go after the Undecided to win the election. This means that a minority of undecideds actually control the outcome of the election. The reason is that the parties know pretty much of their votes from their registered party members, and that of the other party's members, and using simple arithmetic, they know how many more votes from independents, and the undecided is needed to win the election for THEIR PARTY, not for the People.

    1. RJ Schwartz profile image91
      RJ Schwartzposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      The only way I see that even having a chance is if two people, like Sanders and Trump, BOTH decide to run - takes steam from each party and would give American voters more platforms to review

    2. bradmasterOCcal profile image28
      bradmasterOCcalposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Ralph
      Who would be the Presidential candidate of the two?
      I like the idea.

    3. RJ Schwartz profile image91
      RJ Schwartzposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Why not both ?  Are there any laws about more than one independent running?

    4. ChristinS profile image94
      ChristinSposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Agree with so much of what you said here.  The blind allegiance to party has brought nothing but a wholly corrupt system and people cheering for their "team" instead of actually looking at policies.  Sad.

    5. bradmasterOCcal profile image28
      bradmasterOCcalposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Ralph
      I thought you were talking about both of them on the same ticket. Pres, and VP. I evidently misunderstood. Both running for Pres as Independents works.

      Christin
      You get it. Thanks

    6. MizBejabbers profile image91
      MizBejabbersposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      Trump and Sanders on the same ticket? Not sure which hothead would fire the first shot. That's my laugh for the day, Thanks.

    7. bradmasterOCcal profile image28
      bradmasterOCcalposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      MizBeJabbers
      More people have actually died under the Clintons from Arkansas to the WH than any other.

    8. lovemychris profile image67
      lovemychrisposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I doubt that. Highly. In fact, it's statements like that thrown around for 30 something years that tarnish politics. Did you know FOR REAL, Repubs are saying 9/11 was Clinton and depression was obama. There is no honor among thieves.

  5. jackclee lm profile image80
    jackclee lmposted 2 years ago

    I would support a 3rd party (Conservative Party) as a counter balance to the current two party system. It appears that the big donors have co opted both parties and corrupted the candidates. It does not preclude the same group from trying to influence this 3rd party but it will offer people more choices. I want a party that stands and defends the Constitution and Conservative principles.

    1. RJ Schwartz profile image91
      RJ Schwartzposted 2 years agoin reply to this

      I think we need several more parties - it might help to get more people out to vote

 
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