Three Trillion Dollar War

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  1. Ralph Deeds profile image67
    Ralph Deedsposted 10 years ago

    Nobel Prize economist Joseph Stigler and Harvard economist Linda Bilmes calculate the cost of the invasion and occupation of Iraq at $3 trillion.

    http://www.democracynow.org/2008/2/29/e … dollar_war

    1. livelonger profile image92
      livelongerposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      ...yet more proof that the Republicans, who can't seem to do math or come to grips with uncomfortable reality, ought to be ousted in November.

  2. Mark Knowles profile image60
    Mark Knowlesposted 10 years ago

    That's less than I would have expected. smile

    But the true cost is not measurable in dollars.

  3. helenathegreat profile image82
    helenathegreatposted 10 years ago

    If the government can spend $3 trillion on war, I would like my student loans forgiven please.

    hmm

    1. Mark Knowles profile image60
      Mark Knowlesposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Good luck with that. That's how they will pay for the war smile

  4. College politico profile image62
    College politicoposted 10 years ago

    Idiotic partisan report

    1. livelonger profile image92
      livelongerposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      The site that hosted the news piece might be partisan...but that's beside the point.

      The book is written by a Nobel prize winner in economics, and a Harvard professor of finance. I suspect their calculations have been done very carefully. They say their calculations were conservative, and they have formidable reputations to protect.

    2. Mark Knowles profile image60
      Mark Knowlesposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      LOL - What is this if not an incitement to an argument?

      I have never ever seen you on a thread that did not end in an argument with someone - and not only me.

  5. Mark Knowles profile image60
    Mark Knowlesposted 10 years ago

    Ignorant, misinformed comment.

    1. College politico profile image62
      College politicoposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Ironic comment coming from you.

      1. Mark Knowles profile image60
        Mark Knowlesposted 10 years agoin reply to this

        Explain.

        1. College politico profile image62
          College politicoposted 10 years agoin reply to this

          No need. You know exactly what I think of you and I don't feel like getting into an argument with you.

  6. Ralph Deeds profile image67
    Ralph Deedsposted 10 years ago

    Here's another "idiotic partisan report"--2,972 U.S. military casualties (deaths) + 307 military coalition deaths for a total of 3279 deaths as a result of our foolhardy, needless invasion of Iraq.

    In addition, estimates of Iraqi deaths exceed 1 million.

    http://www.antiwar.com/casualties/

    1. College politico profile image62
      College politicoposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      Interesting source for this...

      1. Ralph Deeds profile image67
        Ralph Deedsposted 10 years agoin reply to this

        The figure for U.S. military and coalition casualties can be documented in many published sources. Estimates of Iraqi casualties vary widely. If you don't like this estimate what is your estimate?

        Another effect of our plan for "improving" Iraq--since our invasion the treatment of women and Christians in Iraq has gone downhill fast. And yesterday the archbishop of the Chaldean (Roman Catholic) church was kidnapped in front of his cathedral. Christians in Iraq who are able to leave are doing so in droves. Under Saddam Hussein they practised their religion without harrassment. Women's rights had greater respect also.

        If you don't like the source, here's some identical figures on American military casualties from AP:

        http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gqgQ … gD8V4ARN02

  7. Mark Knowles profile image60
    Mark Knowlesposted 10 years ago

    Well, I was hoping you could offer a few examples of my ignorance. I have certainly seen plenty of yours (as has everyone else) but, I am keen to learn.

    1. College politico profile image62
      College politicoposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      How about everything I've ever seen you say... and why do you insist on inciting arguments?

  8. College politico profile image62
    College politicoposted 10 years ago

    Its my opinion of the report... didn't attack anybody. I'm fine with discussing the issue at hand. And I've never once seen a thread where you weren't acting like a sarcastic jackass...

    1. Mark Knowles profile image60
      Mark Knowlesposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      At least I don't resort to personal insults.

      1. College politico profile image62
        College politicoposted 10 years agoin reply to this

        I was referring to your actions... not you. If you'd like me to remove it I will though.

    2. livelonger profile image92
      livelongerposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      I can't help but notice that you ignored my comment about the estimate for the cost of the war, and Ralph's about the estimate of war dead, and took the easy way out of allowing yourself to get embroiled in an attack with Mark.

      So, since you purportedly would prefer to discuss the issue at hand:
      - what is your estimate of the total cost of the Iraq war to the American taxpayer?
      - what is a nonbiased estimate, in your view, of the number of Iraqis killed?

      1. College politico profile image62
        College politicoposted 10 years agoin reply to this

        I'll get back in here and discuss substantive issues with you soon. At the moment I am quite busy here at school.

  9. Ralph Deeds profile image67
    Ralph Deedsposted 10 years ago

    Here's some information from another source on the cost of the Iraq war:

    http://www.nationalpriorities.org/costofwar_home

    1. Mark Knowles profile image60
      Mark Knowlesposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      I don't think even college politico is able to argue that point. But, the fact remains that the powers-that-be feel this is a justifiable expense. Both my country's and yours.

      And if you accept that the govs are run as profit making institutions - the real question is - Who is making a profit?

  10. knolyourself profile image61
    knolyourselfposted 10 years ago

    Why do you need to prove a given? Its trillions so what.
    Follow  the money. That's where the action is at.

    1. livelonger profile image92
      livelongerposted 10 years agoin reply to this

      It's not a given; it's contested (or deliberately ignored) by the right-wing.

      It's an issue because people might want to know that the Republicans want to continue to spend hundreds of billions, or more, by keeping a presence in Iraq for decades.

  11. knolyourself profile image61
    knolyourselfposted 10 years ago

    Granted.

  12. College politico profile image62
    College politicoposted 10 years ago

    Oh just some quick points...

    1. I don't dispute the current number of US casualties as it is reported by the major news networks.

    2. Ralph's site seems to have a better estimate, conducted with better methods, than the original report. Though I do have reservations because of the motivation of the site. I hope you can understand why I say that. I mean would you trust an estimate for gun violence levels from the NRA?

    But I go into greater detail on the second point and answer your other questions when I have more time.

 
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