Casualties in Iraq and Afghanistan

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   sabrebIadeposted 13 years ago

   I have been trying to research just how many people have died in Iraq and Afghanistan since 2003, and I cannot find any figures that confirm each other.
   I have seen anywhere from 5,000 plus to over 100,000.
   Pretty wide discrepancy huh?
   Does anyone know where I can find accurate figures?
   I know people say that the US is downplaying the figures and the conspiracy sites are exaggerating.
   So can you actually find out the truth?

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      manlypoetrymanposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Go to a website that dedicates themself to honoring the Fallen and those that serve in the  Military. Check it with some others websites that are the same. Most have accurate-up-to-date accounts. Also, your congressman or woman's office knows for sure, and your local media does...even if they quit posting it daily (like they were doing!).

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      paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Hi friend sabrebIade
      
      I would like you to also calculate the figure of Meccans killed in war with Muhammad- the Prince of Peace, during the life time of Muhammad. It will make a civilized comparison for humanity, I think.
      
      Thanks
      
      I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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      EmpressFelicityposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Iraq Body Count reckons civilian deaths by violence in Iraq currently total between about 95,000 and 105,000, since 2003:
      
      http://www.iraqbodycount.org/

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         paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Hi friends
         
         Can we say that the West was an aggressor to attack Iraq? They did not find any Weapons of Mass Destruction in Iraq as was stated when they attacked. Or was it an attack to spread democracy there?
         
         Thanks
         
         I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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            Doug Hughesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Ahmasi -
            
            The riddle was well answered by Makr Twain, who considered himself a jourhalist. and was a powerful commentator. If I may suggest one of his most famous editorials - 'To the Person Sitting In Darkness' -
            
            http://www.logosjournal.com/issue_4.3/twain.htm

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               paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               Hi friend Doug Hughes
               
               So the game is not changed since 1901.
               
               Thanks

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                  Doug Hughesposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  As a matter of fact, it hasn't.

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            Ralph Deedsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            Absolutely, the U.S. and the UK were aggressors in Iraq. A great error by George Bush abetted by Tony Blair.

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               paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

               Hi friend Ralph Deeds
               
               Can you please identify the principles which identify the aggressor and the defender for sure?
               
               Thanks
               
               I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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                  Ralph Deedsposted 13 years agoin reply to this

                  Well, the principle of containment and mutually assured destruction was the cornerstone of U.S. defense policy from World War II until the Bush administration. The U.S. avoided war with USSR and later China both of which had enough nuclear weapons to obliterate the U.S. and most of it's allies. Then, without much consideration or discussion Bush changed the policy from containment to "preemptive strike" as a pretext for invading Iraq which, compared to the potential threat from USSR and China, was insignificant even if Iraq had possessed nuclear or other weapons of mass destruction. It was a small country with no intention or means of attacking the United States. Two theories for explaining Bush's foolhardy, costly action have been offered by knowledgeable observers--oil company influence designed to get profitable access to Iraq's oil and the influence of the Israel lobby and neoconservative supporters in the U.S. Possibly both factors entered into Bush's decision.

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   TMMasonposted 13 years ago

   It is amazing now that the election is done how silent the left is about war deaths.
   
   Hurmmm?...
   
   Yup simply amazing

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   maven101posted 13 years ago

   Are you asking how many total casualties, wounded and killed, including civilians, in Iraq and Afghanistan since 2003..?

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      sabrebIadeposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Yes.
      That's where I keep getting widely varying figures.

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      TMMasonposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      How about since 2008? We should have a good handle on the ones during Bush's terms. They were repeated enough.

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         sabrebIadeposted 13 years agoin reply to this

         Actually anything current and verified would be nice.
         Though I don't know who would verify it, other than getting sources that at least have close to the same numbers.

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            TMMasonposted 13 years agoin reply to this

            As I said. When Bush was in you couldn't not know what the stats were.
            
            It is amazing. This post would have bneen answered by a thousand lefties in five mins.

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   paarsurreyposted 13 years ago

   Casualties in Iraq and Afghanistan

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   Army Infantry Momposted 13 years ago

   As of 2010 - (Military Deaths)
   Operation Iraqi Freedom - 4715
   Operation Enduring Freedom/Afghanistan - 1776
   Source found at - http://www.icasualties.org/
   
   As for civilians - Thousands !!! Plus we all have to remember when these wars end,. the civillian deaths will go on for the fact that the land has been poisoned by depleated uranium, and death rates and birth defects is on a rise.

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   Ralph Deedsposted 13 years ago

   Anybody surprised about the number of casualties in Afghanistan? Not me. I posted this 14 months ago to another topic on Afghanistan in this forum:
   
   I'm concerned that Obama is jumping into the fire in Afghanistan before even jumping out of the Iraq frying pan. The more troops we send to Afghanistan the more casualties, allied and Afghan. The cost in lives and money will be considerable with little assurance of success, however defined.  Nobody has ever succeeded in governing the Pushtun tribes in the border area who have sheltered Al Qaida. And I doubt that they are looking forward to help from the U.S. and its allies.
   
   [Posted 14 months ago.]

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      paarsurreyposted 13 years agoin reply to this

      Hi friend Ralph Deeds
      
      The casualities are increasing and both sides are cofident of their success; only the common man in there who is not and has never been in the politics is suffering and becoming bitter about it.
      
      There seem no end to the suffering and misery; perhaps another Buddha is needed.?!
      
      Thanks
      
      I am an Ahmadi peaceful Muslim

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